Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), By Ross Erstling

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proviron doesn't work for active recovery. dbol DEFINATELY doesn't work for active recovery.

seriously you gotta put the throttle wide open during pct... there really is no good way to ease into it... in the end you just cost yourself more gains...

honestly i think the only way to do an active PCT is with IGF-1 or HGH or insulin....

although i think there is something to this... by lowering dosages/potency of compounds you allow the body to begin to normalize cortisol levels before pct begins which could be greatly beneficial and is probably why Ross may have had good experience with this protocol. (aas raises cortisol levels on cycle)

the only real active recovery that i consider valid is running HCG throughout the cycle as this maintains the receptivity of the testes to LH/FSH by not allowing them to go dormant... maintaing the T of the HPTA

the pituitary is another animal altogether, it needs to recover completely and the only way to do that is minimize input to the hypothalamus by blocking androgens and estrogens, even a small amount of external androgen or estrogen will greatly hinder this recovery (yes even 20mg var, in fact even 5mg var will keep your pituitary shut down)

but i think there's a lot too this and it's worth exploring.

Ross, have you ever heard of Naltrexone? it's a mu-opioid antagonist (it blocks opiate receptors everywhere in the body, including the hypothalamus) naltrexone is intriguing because it can help restore pituitary function (releasing LH and FSH) by blocking the opiate receptors in the hypothalamus....

this way you could theoretically start to warm up the pituitary during pre-pct while androgens are still floating around. then when you drop the androgens the pituitary is partially primed to start releasing lh and fsh, maybe saving you a week or so of catastrophic losses (most losses occur during first two weeks of pct in my experience)

just for reference opiates (heroin, morphine, percocet, vicodin) reduce output of lh and fsh by pituitary and naltrexone (opiate blocker) increases output.

 

[skaman007]

Some of this is subject to debate but just so we all know I made this thread last week bwahahahaha beet you to it ross!!!!!!!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ct-post-cycle-therapy-added-gains-611482.html

well ihav e been using a similiar method for years,lol

 

[cooltrouble]

Yo Bro

I am about to finish a 8 week cycle of just dbol. read up your info on andro generator, good shit, if it does all its suppose to do. Question!! Won't Tribestan or Caspari Novadex do the same???? my funds are liimited right now. THAT recovery stack before getting on full pct is fucking unique, I never quite heard of shit being done like that.

Then again, i read earlier on ef that some cats want to use a pro hormone as part of their pct and i see some ole school moderators thinks thats a bad move. Won't andro generator do the same thing, replacing a steroid with a pro hormone??? I aint gonna lie I am a bit confused.

I was gonna use clomid to recover, but now I am hearing, colimd fucks with your nuts during pct. SO then , what really the good move for someone like me with just one gear in my system???. Primodial Performance stuff, Clomid - hcg, or OTC shit like Caspari or your stuff.

Just when you think the coast is clear, things get alll jumbled up again.

thanks for your time

ct

 

[liftr486]

im curious to hear more about naltrexones effect during recovery...cuz i was also using painkillers for a while both during and after my cycle so Im thinking that might have hindered my recovery??

 

[Ross]

proviron doesn't work for active recovery. dbol DEFINATELY doesn't work for active recovery.

seriously you gotta put the throttle wide open during pct... there really is no good way to ease into it... in the end you just cost yourself more gains...

honestly i think the only way to do an active PCT is with IGF-1 or HGH or insulin....

although i think there is something to this... by lowering dosages/potency of compounds you allow the body to begin to normalize cortisol levels before pct begins which could be greatly beneficial and is probably why Ross may have had good experience with this protocol. (aas raises cortisol levels on cycle)

the only real active recovery that i consider valid is running HCG throughout the cycle as this maintains the receptivity of the testes to LH/FSH by not allowing them to go dormant... maintaing the T of the HPTA

the pituitary is another animal altogether, it needs to recover completely and the only way to do that is minimize input to the hypothalamus by blocking androgens and estrogens, even a small amount of external androgen or estrogen will greatly hinder this recovery (yes even 20mg var, in fact even 5mg var will keep your pituitary shut down)

but i think there's a lot too this and it's worth exploring.

Ross, have you ever heard of Naltrexone? it's a mu-opioid antagonist (it blocks opiate receptors everywhere in the body, including the hypothalamus) naltrexone is intriguing because it can help restore pituitary function (releasing LH and FSH) by blocking the opiate receptors in the hypothalamus....

this way you could theoretically start to warm up the pituitary during pre-pct while androgens are still floating around. then when you drop the androgens the pituitary is partially primed to start releasing lh and fsh, maybe saving you a week or so of catastrophic losses (most losses occur during first two weeks of pct in my experience)

just for reference opiates (heroin, morphine, percocet, vicodin) reduce output of lh and fsh by pituitary and naltrexone (opiate blocker) increases output.

Naltrexone is NOT worth it bro, stay away.