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Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), By Ross Erstling

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**Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), By Ross Erstling**

Pre-PCT: Active Recovery ​
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Are you SICK AND TIRED of LOSING your precious MUSCLE MASS and STRENGTH?

Are you SICK AND TIRED of taking THREE steps FORWARD then taking FOUR steps BACKWARD?

Are you SICK AND TIRED of experiencing a POST CYCLE CRASH?

If you anwered "YES", then I urge you to continue reading...



Chapter 1
Pre-PCT: Active Recovery



DO NOT GO DIRECTLY INTO PCT!

The concept of "PCT" was formulated WITHOUT the knowledge that partial HPTA recovery CAN occur while on CERTAIN steroids!

At the end of your cycle's duration, you are COMPLETELY SHUTDOWN. Your hormonal environment is NOT conducive for muscle growth or maintenance. Going directly into PCT from this state is BEGGING for a huge loss of GAINS!

PCT seeks to RESTORE HORMONAL BALANCE as quickly and as effectively as possible, BUT THIS IMPOSSIBLE! PCT IS NOT MAGIC! Full and complete HPTA recovery is a longer process than most people understand. SERM's and AI's are only marginally effective. How many COUNTLESS individuals have LOST a large percentage of their gains during and after PCT? WAY TOO MANY!

Rather than going DIRECTLY into PCT, we utilize a "Pre-PCT" or a period of "Active Recovery".

Pre-PCT: PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 20mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 20mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 20mgs/50mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 20mgs/50mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 50mgs/200
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/50mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs


Examples...


In a SHORT CYCLE:

Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-4: NPP, 400mgs
Weeks 4-8: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY)**
Weeks 8-?: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**


A Standard Cycle:

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 500mgs
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 12-16: **PRE-PCT(ACTIVE RECOVERY) **
Weeks 16-26: **POST CYCLE THERAPY**

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Thanks for the info Ross. What is the schedule for the compounds you have listed. Are those weekly allotments or daily? And of course, do you recommend HCG throughout the longer cycles?
 
subscribing to this badboy of a thread.
nice work ross. i've often wondered about this, but where did you get the information from that the hpta will begin to recover on those certain steroids? knowing you, a lot of it is by experience, but has this actually been studied and tested?
 
question: if i'm running 50-100mg proviron for the last 4 weeks of my cycle should i go ahead and throw in the extra tbol i have at 20mg/day, and then proceed with pct 2 weeks after last inject of cyp? OR should continue use of the orals during that 2 week phase and then jump into pct?
 
Roc86 said:
What is "active recovery" comprised of other than the use of HCG ?
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Pre-PCT: PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 20mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 20mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 20mgs/50mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 20mgs/50mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 50mgs/200
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/50mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs

courtesy of Mr. Ross
 
Pre-PCT: PRE-PCT allows the HPTA to begin LH/FSH output, while still receiving additional anabolic support. This is the peroid of time where we utilize a NON-inhibitory steroid while the endogenous testosterone level begins to recover. This occurs PRIOR TO FULL PCT, so that by the time we begin full PCT the HPTA has already began recovering.

Active RECOVERY: The HPTA BEGINS to restore endogenous testosterone production once it detects the body's androgen level beginning to decline(end of cycle).

Therefore, HPTA CAN BEGIN TO RECOVER WHILE STILL IN AN ANABOLIC STATE!


The following drugs can be used during Active Recovery:

Anavar/Proviron= 20mgs/25mgs
Anavar/Masteron= 20mgs/300mgs
Primobolan/Masteron= 200mgs/200mgs
Turinabol/Proviron= 20mgs/50mgs
Turinabol/Masteron= 20mgs/50mgs
Winstrol/Masteron= 50mgs/200
Dianabol/Proviron= 15mgs/50mgs
Dianabol/Masteron= 15mgs/200mgs

I think the Jury is still out on this one Ross. All of the above AAS supress the HPTA. I like this theory in practice, although personally I have not tried it, mainly due to my rather long "cycle". My belief is that using gear as you prescribe only allows for a "Soft Landing". It allows time for the body to stabilise estrogenic & androgenic activity, but the HPTA is still shutdown.
 
wolfman87 said:
question: if i'm running 50-100mg proviron for the last 4 weeks of my cycle should i go ahead and throw in the extra tbol i have at 20mg/day, and then proceed with pct 2 weeks after last inject of cyp? OR should continue use of the orals during that 2 week phase and then jump into pct?
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Complete your cycle, then run Tbol/Proviron for 4 weeks. This wil allow the HPTA to begin recovering while you are still in a heightened anabolic state.
 
lilj888 said:
so you are saying you can use masteron as a pre-pct? i thought masteron was only a mild anti-e
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Yes, a low dosage of Masteron will allow for partial HPTA recovery while providing anabolic/androgenic suuport PRIOR(and up to) PCT.
 
Meh ... I dont think this affects HPTA output positivley or negativley, but I agre its a great way to stay anabolic right up until pct.

Timing half lifes of orals is key IMO so you dont have anything in you when sleeping.
 
I am near the last 2 weeks of a 14 week cycle.. I ran Proviron 50mg ED for the entire cycle and D-Bol 50 MG ED for weeks 1-5 to start as a kickstart.. After I stop my test and anavar at week 14 should I keep running the Proviron and add Dbol 15 mg per day for active recovery? Cycle looked like this

1-14 500 Mg Test-E per week
1-5 50 MG Dbol ED
7-14 50 MG Anavar ED
1-14 50 MG Proviron ED

Weeks 5-17 (2) 250iu shots of HCG per week
 
Nearing the end of my cycle... wondering if someone could help me with this (as i have posted a couple of posts above)
 
AMC22 said:
I am near the last 2 weeks of a 14 week cycle.. I ran Proviron 50mg ED for the entire cycle and D-Bol 50 MG ED for weeks 1-5 to start as a kickstart.. After I stop my test and anavar at week 14 should I keep running the Proviron and add Dbol 15 mg per day for active recovery? Cycle looked like this

1-14 500 Mg Test-E per week
1-5 50 MG Dbol ED
7-14 50 MG Anavar ED
1-14 50 MG Proviron ED

Weeks 5-17 (2) 250iu shots of HCG per week
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Absolutely, this will allow for partial HPTA recovery while you remain in a highly anabolic state.
 
proviron doesn't work for active recovery. dbol DEFINATELY doesn't work for active recovery.

seriously you gotta put the throttle wide open during pct... there really is no good way to ease into it... in the end you just cost yourself more gains...

honestly i think the only way to do an active PCT is with IGF-1 or HGH or insulin....

although i think there is something to this... by lowering dosages/potency of compounds you allow the body to begin to normalize cortisol levels before pct begins which could be greatly beneficial and is probably why Ross may have had good experience with this protocol. (aas raises cortisol levels on cycle)

the only real active recovery that i consider valid is running HCG throughout the cycle as this maintains the receptivity of the testes to LH/FSH by not allowing them to go dormant... maintaing the T of the HPTA

the pituitary is another animal altogether, it needs to recover completely and the only way to do that is minimize input to the hypothalamus by blocking androgens and estrogens, even a small amount of external androgen or estrogen will greatly hinder this recovery (yes even 20mg var, in fact even 5mg var will keep your pituitary shut down)

but i think there's a lot too this and it's worth exploring.

Ross, have you ever heard of Naltrexone? it's a mu-opioid antagonist (it blocks opiate receptors everywhere in the body, including the hypothalamus) naltrexone is intriguing because it can help restore pituitary function (releasing LH and FSH) by blocking the opiate receptors in the hypothalamus....

this way you could theoretically start to warm up the pituitary during pre-pct while androgens are still floating around. then when you drop the androgens the pituitary is partially primed to start releasing lh and fsh, maybe saving you a week or so of catastrophic losses (most losses occur during first two weeks of pct in my experience)

just for reference opiates (heroin, morphine, percocet, vicodin) reduce output of lh and fsh by pituitary and naltrexone (opiate blocker) increases output.
 
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Yo Bro

I am about to finish a 8 week cycle of just dbol. read up your info on andro generator, good shit, if it does all its suppose to do. Question!! Won't Tribestan or Caspari Novadex do the same???? my funds are liimited right now. THAT recovery stack before getting on full pct is fucking unique, I never quite heard of shit being done like that.

Then again, i read earlier on ef that some cats want to use a pro hormone as part of their pct and i see some ole school moderators thinks thats a bad move. Won't andro generator do the same thing, replacing a steroid with a pro hormone??? I aint gonna lie I am a bit confused.

I was gonna use clomid to recover, but now I am hearing, colimd fucks with your nuts during pct. SO then , what really the good move for someone like me with just one gear in my system???. Primodial Performance stuff, Clomid - hcg, or OTC shit like Caspari or your stuff.

Just when you think the coast is clear, things get alll jumbled up again.

thanks for your time

ct
 
im curious to hear more about naltrexones effect during recovery...cuz i was also using painkillers for a while both during and after my cycle so Im thinking that might have hindered my recovery??
 
10001110101 said:
proviron doesn't work for active recovery. dbol DEFINATELY doesn't work for active recovery.

seriously you gotta put the throttle wide open during pct... there really is no good way to ease into it... in the end you just cost yourself more gains...

honestly i think the only way to do an active PCT is with IGF-1 or HGH or insulin....

although i think there is something to this... by lowering dosages/potency of compounds you allow the body to begin to normalize cortisol levels before pct begins which could be greatly beneficial and is probably why Ross may have had good experience with this protocol. (aas raises cortisol levels on cycle)

the only real active recovery that i consider valid is running HCG throughout the cycle as this maintains the receptivity of the testes to LH/FSH by not allowing them to go dormant... maintaing the T of the HPTA

the pituitary is another animal altogether, it needs to recover completely and the only way to do that is minimize input to the hypothalamus by blocking androgens and estrogens, even a small amount of external androgen or estrogen will greatly hinder this recovery (yes even 20mg var, in fact even 5mg var will keep your pituitary shut down)

but i think there's a lot too this and it's worth exploring.

Ross, have you ever heard of Naltrexone? it's a mu-opioid antagonist (it blocks opiate receptors everywhere in the body, including the hypothalamus) naltrexone is intriguing because it can help restore pituitary function (releasing LH and FSH) by blocking the opiate receptors in the hypothalamus....

this way you could theoretically start to warm up the pituitary during pre-pct while androgens are still floating around. then when you drop the androgens the pituitary is partially primed to start releasing lh and fsh, maybe saving you a week or so of catastrophic losses (most losses occur during first two weeks of pct in my experience)

just for reference opiates (heroin, morphine, percocet, vicodin) reduce output of lh and fsh by pituitary and naltrexone (opiate blocker) increases output.
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Naltrexone is NOT worth it bro, stay away.
 
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