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PCT help long story (only for the mods and vets please)
- Thread starter Nomak666
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Ok thanks radar. joed and dj ufo, seems like you 2 have the same suggestions. i have no source for hmg so will the hcg cut it? also clomid at 50mg ed for how long? i dont believe in going higher then 50mg either with the clomid. will get him the unleashed and sustain from needto's store. also will nolvadex do anything in terms of helping him. also would he need to use an ai such as letro, arimidex, or aromason?
DJ_UFO
Banned
Online Pharmacy - Prescription Medications, Generic Drugs, Herbal Remedy ---> They have HMG
Clomid 50mgED for 3-4 weeks after last HMG shot. And for the record, it is not a matter of "I believe" bro..lol. Is about knowledge. 50mg, because of the fact that studies have shown no benefit on higher doses.
No need for nolvadex if clomid is used.
The only thing I could not advice you is about AI, because I have never used any of them and never had a problem with estrogen. But I am sure other people here will suggest an AI protocol during PCT in case of high estrogen signs.
lookinfit75
New member
Would it be of any benifit for Nomak's friend to start with the HCG or HMG while still "on"?
DJ_UFO
Banned
Yes, if he plans to stay on. But in this case, after a year, he wants to come off (smart idea), so the smart thing to do here, is to stop as soon as he receives the PCT meds. Test will be in the system for about 15 days, while HMG starts testosterone production from the testes by LH and FSH stimulation.
Ok, we have no problems ordering the hmg, but i have 3 bottles of hcg 5000ius each and a ton of clomid and nolvadex and letro. so can he get away with hcg or is hmg the only way to go.
needtogetaas
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Ok this is what IMO he should do. First thing he should do is come off the aas and get on something light enough to allow a bit of recovery but not so strong that it will prevent recover. That being said get him on some dermacrne...Well on the derma he should also run the hcg. Then drop them both and use hmg. Then from there switch to nolva and a good amount of otc products. So as soon as he stps the cycle is program will look like this
1-4 dermacrine 5 pumps ed
10 days hcg 1000ius ed
4-8 hmg 35ius
4-8 nolva 20mg ed
8-12 nolva 10mg ed
8-12 sustain apha 5 pumps ed
He should also have letro and bromo on hand because he could get prog or estrogen rebound effects and he wants to make sure he has something on hand for this.
1-4 dermacrine 5 pumps ed
10 days hcg 1000ius ed
4-8 hmg 35ius
4-8 nolva 20mg ed
8-12 nolva 10mg ed
8-12 sustain apha 5 pumps ed
He should also have letro and bromo on hand because he could get prog or estrogen rebound effects and he wants to make sure he has something on hand for this.
i will tell him everything you guy told me. i appreciate all the help. i will see what protocol he decides, it will be a combo of all of your suggestions. since needto wrote the full protocol out, i may just have him follow that and throw in clomid with the nolvadex @ 50mg ed weeks 4-8 then 25mg ed for 8-12. thanks everyone, have a happy holiday.
lookinfit75
New member
Ok so just so I don't screw this up myself the next time. As soon as he takes his last shot of Test he should start with the HCG or should he wait the customary 2 weeks and THEN start with the HCG/HMG for what ever protocol he's going to use, THEN start with PCT of clomid?
Sorry but I am just a little confused because I was always under the impression that you were supposed to let the test clear THEN start HCG.
DJ_UFO
Banned
No bro if you let the test clear before PCT, you will have close to zero test and your body will melt muscle like cheese. If HCG wasn't used during cycle, start using it the day or the day after the last test shot. That way, by the time the exogenous test clears the system, the pituitary has been already stimulated to secrete LH and FSH by itself. Its complex shit man...is not an easy game like sometimes seems to be.
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