overweight newbs. read this.

[RADAR]

yes yes.. foundation of years of training. OF COURSE!!

But Radar, the man is talking about informed 30 year olds that are with their SHIT TOGETHER>...

Are you suggesting that big, older, experienced AAS steroid users who really know their shit dont assume an injury prone stance due to their increased weight totals?

ummm.. dude? how is YOUR bicep these days?




Like juicedmohawk said, he is not suggesting that some uninformed wet behind the underoos kid jump into a gram of test a week with no foundation or solid undertanding, and my contention: without a physician to montior yer ass... he is NOT saying that...

His complaint about this thread and those like it is the oft condescending attitude from vets on newbies... we were ALL newbies once... and some vet took the the time to start to share without ludicris blanket statements like 'if you have to ask then go felate a goat'... ya know?


Informed adults making decisions about their own AAS use is what this friggin forum is FOR, right?

My bicep is fine thanks!


I agree with what you are saying 100%, research and get bloodwork and well informed Dr is a must also!

RADAR

 

[ChefWide]

Cheffy I Applaude you, a great post filled with valuable info.
Bear in mind everyone Chef did this using a logival plan ,Diet & hard Work,the rest is just a tad bit of icing on the cake -something to consider.

Great Work Chef!

RADAR

Thank bro. really. My life, as all of ours are OR SHOULD BE is a work in progress, both on the gym floor and more importantly by far in the realm of continually spiralling upward and forward in accumulation KNOWLEDGE...

As a very knowledgeable guy, and mod, used to say, 'Its 90% diet, 10% training, and 5% gear: that's right, you have to give 105% to get there!", now I hope nancypants doesnt kick me for messing up his quote, but that is the crux or the whole deal right there...

i just get worked up when folks come out with absolutes like NEVER or ALWAYS or statements calling into question any validity of any statement that suggest the use of AAS in relation to a fat loss plan on its own... when respect guys around here, Like Mr. X, suggest EXACTLY THAT....

AAS have a huge place in controlling LBM durring radical fat loss.. one amazing transformation on these boards is a guy that is jumping for joy that his LBM loss % compared to his Fat Loss is between 80-20 and 85-15... um... NO THANKS...

I for one prefer my own: 96lbs-2lbs.. that kind of ratio is more like the icing on the cake that i crave.... and that would NOT have been possible without some help, some serious dedication and a long term plan..

Ok, fine, are AAS the ANSWER to fat loss? hell no, no one with their head out there behind would say so either, but that they should NOT or NEVER be included in a plan unless you are under 15% bf? Unmittigated fertilizer right there.

 

[Mr.X]

Ok.. that statement in bold works... but NO ONE should use AAS in conjunction with a radical fat loss plan? NO ONE above XX percent should EVER use AAS? ummmm... that's crap, and you have said so yourself.. more than once...


What complete LUNATIC posted this diet and AAS plan?

You're misquoting me, very nicely done. The diet is for advanced bodybuilders with a lot of exprience, not for some 30 year old out of shape joe-blow.

Lets see... bro, as mods we are supposed to tango and agree publicly on all things blah blabh and all that but....

I think you give yourself too much credit and credibility when it comes to "tango," I read your post, I don't think this is a tango, but more of reading lesson.

Look, your blanket statements about NO one.. or NEVER... are utter horsehockey... there are circumstance and individual situations that warrant many seemingly severe and or 'hardcore' measures. Me, for one.

Did you read what I said? you might have reading problems. I clearly stated:

If you've got a 35 year old male, close to the 40y/o HRT barrier, than HRT (hormone replacement therapy) might be in order.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5553740&postcount=32

Bro, next time please read my posts fully before commenting.

I was miserable and at the edge of suicidal, 312+lbs and 36-38% bf... and guess whose diet i chose as a radical boost to my over all regimen to give myself some much needed self asteem and to get my life MOVING... hmmm... does that lunatic's link above give you a basic hint?

huh? I hope you're not saying that at 40% bodyfat it's appropriate to use steroids. If you used one of my extreme diets, you should have contacted me first for advice, I tend to help people within a few days in relation to my older diets.

To say that a very radical weight loss regimen, along with a kick in the thyroid, moderate AAS use to maintain LBM and a serious and open minded family physician whom you are open with and is monitoring you moves, not agreeing with many, per se, but doing your blood work etc, is not a viable and VERY desirable solution is assinine.

Sure if you're doing HRT, TRT , doctor monitored for health reasons, that's 100% appropriate, but that is NOT what we are talking about. Please RE-read my posts, I am clearly stating that a huge amount of people, including obese individuals, should NOT be using or thinking of using AS just because they need to "get in shape".

Lets see... i am no mass monster.. i never did any stupidity like a friggin moutain of test/week or any kind of starvation diet.. er... except yours above, i found that over the long run HRT and MY diet plan did the folowing:

I lost 96+lbs of FAT.. yes, not weight, FAT.
I lost 1.8 lbs of LBM... no, that decimal is correct, less than TWO lbs..

that idiot in my avatar and my profile pic is me.. a week ago thursday... I went from 42"+ waist 'Loose Fit' to 32" 'Straight Fit' pants that i tried on on wednessday...

That's wonderful to hear, but it still is not a reason to use steroids if you don't need them.

Now, my thyroid numbers were LOW then, they are LOW now... my liver enzymes are normal, as is damn near everything else.. oh, except my BodyFat%.. which is below normal...

I bet you, I could have your tryroid functioning normally (before AS use) if I put you on a regular ZONE with AM and PW cardio, including a controlled carb-up and a full 1/mo. refeed.

What i am saying is that in most respects your comments are on the money... for the average knucklehead many factors must come into play before anyone decides to take a dangerous leap... experience with ones own body (i am 41 years old, i know how I respond), research (i would repeat that word 100 times, its that important) and above all a frank and direct discussion with your doctor.. look, if this is important enough for you to DO, then its important enough to have the tough talk with someone that actuall can help you now and maybe save your ass later...

yes, you're right, check out my other post where I say to members NOT to take anything said on the boards at face value. God knows everyone here is a steroid guru, benches 800lbs., drives a ferrari and slept with pamela anderson.

All that having been said, Mr. X my brother in arms, you cannot make blanket statements like this on one forum and post diets/AAS/Supplement guidelines like those in the FatFast diet without calling into question what exactly you are trying to push here... ya know?

yet again, you didn't consult me before using my diets, those diets are for advanced bodybuilders only. In general, the regular joe shouldn't even consider steroids without the years of training naturally, unless it's HRT.

If you re-read my posts, no blanket statements are made, you just didn't read them.

 

[bigtravis]

yes yes.. foundation of years of training. OF COURSE!!

But Radar, the man is talking about informed 30 year olds that are with their SHIT TOGETHER>...

Are you suggesting that big, older, experienced AAS steroid users who really know their shit dont assume an injury prone stance due to their increased weight totals?

ummm.. dude? how is YOUR bicep these days?




Like juicedmohawk said, he is not suggesting that some uninformed wet behind the underoos kid jump into a gram of test a week with no foundation or solid undertanding, and my contention: without a physician to montior yer ass... he is NOT saying that...

His complaint about this thread and those like it is the oft condescending attitude from vets on newbies... we were ALL newbies once... and some vet took the the time to start to share without ludicris blanket statements like 'if you have to ask then go felate a goat'... ya know? Guys like you, Dan D., Ranger, Quad, Huck, Oldin, Ulter, Genetic.. damn.. the list is long.. but all you guys sent me down paths of research and understanding that is how i made my decisions...


Informed adults making decisions about their own AAS use is what this friggin forum is FOR, right?

chef. i know this probably wasn't directed at what i was saying in the thread, but when most of us first started, as newbies that is, we didn't have forums such as this to gain quick knowledge from. we pretty much had to learn the hard way. what i was telling newbies, and i should have added this in my thread, was to set aside the thought of aas for quick weight loss. but in turn, get in the physical condition and attain the required knowledge that one should have to successfully use aas with better results. imo, there is no reason one should come on here and say," hey, what's the best steroid for weight loss. i'm 20%bf and have never used before." when all they have to do is just search and learn before hand. i know that there are many individuals out there that have all the right medical reasons to be on an aas treatment at a high bf %. but most on here are strictly reacreational users. that's what i was aiming at.

 

[Mr.X]

Informed adults making decisions about their own AAS use is what this friggin forum is FOR, right?

yes, but you're forgetting one thing: adults need real facts. Even adults have issues, including self-esteem problems, weight problems, even psychological problem, and steroids are not the answer to ANY of those.

Steroids are an AID to intermidiate and advanced bodybuilders to break thru a genetic barrier, they are NOT an aid for day-to-day 'get in shape' activity.

Also, please stop confusing HRT and TRT with rec. steroid use!

 

[Mr.X]

Ok, fine, are AAS the ANSWER to fat loss? hell no, no one with their head out there behind would say so either, but that they should NOT or NEVER be included in a plan unless you are under 15% bf? Unmittigated fertilizer right there.

Again, unless for HRT or TRT purposes or other medical conditions, you don't need to be using steroids at 15-40% bodyfat.

That's common sense. Last time I checked, this was mainly a rec. steroid board, not an HRT board; hence, the obvious statements.

 

[Mr.X]

Also, I believe this thread is turning into me having to quote my own posts and rehash the same information, please read all my posts here before making comments or statements. That goes for everyone.

P.S. ChefWide, I have nothing against your comments, and I think you bring up some good points. I just hope that the newbies on this board read what I said and take that research further to understand the reality of AS use.

 

[KidnKorner]

I recommend T-Rex ...

T-rex or thermorexin? there is a difference.

 

[RADAR]

AHHHH This Thread reminds me of the good old Mod debates from years ago....now if only Fonz were here LMAO!!!!!!


RADAR

 

[Mr.X]

AHHHH This Thread reminds me of the good old Mod debates from years ago....now if only Fonz were here LMAO!!!!!!


RADAR

If FONZ was here, he'd put us to shame, remember bro neither of us is a nuclear physics Ph.D. nor a model nor a soccer star.
Damn I hate my life!