overweight newbs. read this.

[Mr.X]

I would also like to add that 16-20 yr olds have enough testosterone flowing in their body to make good use of it, its the diet portion that lacking as we all know kids eat mostly junk hence is why they become discouraged and turn to gear,most teens have trouble with their natural hormonal changes ,moods,short tempers, depression...etc with out complicatimg themselves by adding more hormones, hence is why roids are given a bad rap as several have committed suicide because they couldn't cope with it.


RADAR

Radar, I think we can safely say 16-24 year old here

 

[RADAR]

Radar, I think we can safely say 16-24 year old here

Yes I Agree!


Remember Juice Authority? He took everything under the sun come contest time He looked like he had never worked out in his life!


RADAR

 

[bigtravis]

arthur jones said in a journal that i once read that a man ages 16-25 only needed to do 1 full body workout per week to failure because of his natural testosterone levels being so high. which would yield great results. i of course didn't follow this advice, but that's what he said. this was a journal that was never published for public reading. T

 

[RADAR]

arthur jones said in a journal that i once read that a man ages 16-25 only needed to do 1 full body workout per week to failure because of his natural testosterone levels being so high. which would yield great results. i of course didn't follow this advice, but that's what he said. this was a journal that was never published for public reading. T

And Thank God it wasn't published!

RADAR

 

[bigtravis]

Lmao!

 

[Mr.X]

Yes I Agree!


Remember Juice Authority? He took everything under the sun come contest time He looked like he had never worked out in his life!


RADAR

LMFAO!

 

[ChefWide]

Just to add, steroids are not the solution to weight loss problems nor weight gain problems. Just because you're skinny or fat, it doesn't mean you need to start using steroids. Steroids are not magic!

I don't want anybody reading this to think steroids can solve your weight loss problems! They cannot and should not be used in lieu of a diet and cardio.

People that misuse steroids and misunderstand them, basically using them without knowledge, are the same people that show up in news stories claiming it made them try to commit suicide.

Ok.. that statement in bold works... but NO ONE should use AAS in conjunction with a radical fat loss plan? NO ONE above XX percent should EVER use AAS? ummmm... that's crap, and you have said so yourself.. more than once...





What complete LUNATIC posted this diet and AAS plan?


on your own diet play you said:

It's impossible to do this type of diet, with such a deficit w/o AS and thyroid, peroid.

Lets see... bro, as mods we are supposed to tango and agree publicly on all things blah blabh and all that but....



Look, your blanket statements about NO one.. or NEVER... are utter horsehockey... there are circumstance and individual situations that warrant many seemingly severe and or 'hardcore' measures. Me, for one.

I was miserable and at the edge of suicidal, 312+lbs and 36-38% bf... and guess whose diet i chose as a radical boost to my over all regimen to give myself some much needed self asteem and to get my life MOVING... hmmm... does that lunatic's link above give you a basic hint?


To say that a very radical weight loss regimen, along with a kick in the thyroid, moderate AAS use to maintain LBM and a serious and open minded family physician whom you are open with and is monitoring you moves, not agreeing with many, per se, but doing your blood work etc, is not a viable and VERY desirable solution is assinine.

Lets see... i am no mass monster.. i never did any stupidity like a friggin moutain of test/week or any kind of starvation diet.. er... except yours above, i found that over the long run HRT and MY diet plan did the folowing:

I lost 96+lbs of FAT.. yes, not weight, FAT.
I lost 1.8 lbs of LBM... no, that decimal is correct, less than TWO lbs..

that idiot in my avatar and my profile pic is me.. a week ago thursday... I went from 42"+ waist 'Loose Fit' to 32" 'Straight Fit' pants that i tried on on wednessday...



Now, my thyroid numbers were LOW then, they are LOW now... my liver enzymes are normal, as is damn near everything else.. oh, except my BodyFat%.. which is below normal...


What i am saying is that in most respects your comments are on the money... for the average knucklehead many factors must come into play before anyone decides to take a dangerous leap... experience with ones own body (i am 41 years old, i know how I respond), research (i would repeat that word 100 times, its that important) and above all a frank and direct discussion with your doctor.. look, if this is important enough for you to DO, then its important enough to have the tough talk with someone that actuall can help you now and maybe save your ass later...


All that having been said, Mr. X my brother in arms, you cannot make blanket statements like this on one forum and post diets/AAS/Supplement guidelines like those in the FatFast diet without calling into question what exactly you are trying to push here... ya know?





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[RADAR]

C'mon Mr. X, were talking about patients being autonomous and pro-active in getting themselves back in shape. I'm not telling anyone to go to their local gym, talk to the Russian guy and get some AAS and just start popping pills. I'm an advocate for people becoming informed about (somewhat) responsible AAS use.

This whole thread has been about overweight people not using AAS because they are most likely uninformed and dont ''need'' it due to not reaching where they should be to start juicing. IMO outside of the discipline part of getting in shape and training naturally, I wouldn't think it be a problem for someone to jump start getting back in shape with a tren/winny cycle. Although it's not the mainstay of EF (18 year old punks wanting to get huge seems to be), stating generic rules for juicing doesnt work for everyone. That's really the main point of my long drawn out post.

On that same note, its really fucking annoying to have people put one line quip-like responses like this: "dont fucking juice if you have to ask that question" when they're just as ignorant as the other people but have just accumulated a higher post count.

I'm all about 30 year old men using AAS to get back in shape. The sleep apnea example was just an example. As long as physicians aren't liberally prescribing AAS for people who could benefit from them, I'd like to see 30-35 year old men on this board asking questions and using AAS.

And What happens when the increase in strength occurs? Yep! You tear something,Build a solid foundation,Gear is only going to get them that gung ho attitude that leads to a serious injury!
RADAR

 

[ChefWide]

And What happens when the increase in strength occurs? Yep! You tear something,Build a solid foundation,Gear is only going to get them that gung ho attitude that leads to a serious injury!
RADAR

yes yes.. foundation of years of training. OF COURSE!!

But Radar, the man is talking about informed 30 year olds that are with their SHIT TOGETHER>...

Are you suggesting that big, older, experienced AAS steroid users who really know their shit dont assume an injury prone stance due to their increased weight totals?

ummm.. dude? how is YOUR bicep these days?




Like juicedmohawk said, he is not suggesting that some uninformed wet behind the underoos kid jump into a gram of test a week with no foundation or solid undertanding, and my contention: without a physician to montior yer ass... he is NOT saying that...

His complaint about this thread and those like it is the oft condescending attitude from vets on newbies... we were ALL newbies once... and some vet took the the time to start to share without ludicris blanket statements like 'if you have to ask then go felate a goat'... ya know? Guys like you, Dan D., Ranger, Quad, Huck, Oldin, Ulter, Genetic.. damn.. the list is long.. but all you guys sent me down paths of research and understanding that is how i made my decisions...


Informed adults making decisions about their own AAS use is what this friggin forum is FOR, right?

 

[RADAR]

Cheffy I Applaude you, a great post filled with valuable info.
Bear in mind everyone Chef did this using a logical plan ,Diet & hard Work,the rest is just a tad bit of icing on the cake -something to consider.

Great Work Chef!

RADAR