overweight newbs. read this.

[Demonix]

I think it might be ok to do a cutting cycle at 15-20% but no more. I did a bulker just under 15% and even though I gained a lot of strength, I felt fat at the end from the bloat. And its hard to see your gains under a cover of flab.

I am finishing my cycle with a cutter of prop and winny. And I feel great. Its nice losing fat and I am still gaining some reps once in a while. I really hated the feeling of losing fat and seeing some of my strength go before.

 

[hammercurls]

steroids are not magic howver they provide magic like effects


prop's to Mr X i agree with what you said

 

[bigtravis]

People that misuse steroids and misunderstand them, basically using them without knowledge, are the same people that show up in news stories claiming it made them try to commit suicide. BY: MR.X

this is the #1 reason knowledge and good research on aas is of the utmost importance.
on another note: George. don't i get some karma for posting a thread that has Mr.x replying 5 or more times. LOL!

 

[hammercurls]

laflz

 

[Mr.X]

I think it might be ok to do a cutting cycle at 15-20% but no more. I did a bulker just under 15% and even though I gained a lot of strength, I felt fat at the end from the bloat. And its hard to see your gains under a cover of flab.

20% bodyfat? if you're 20% bodyfat and you're using steroids, you really need 1) a kick in the nuts (if you have any) 2) a real objective look at your life to see why you need AS for something you could do with diet and cardio. Do you have self-esteem issues? personal problems? and the like.

by "you" I meant the general public

 

[Mr.X]

People that misuse steroids and misunderstand them, basically using them without knowledge, are the same people that show up in news stories claiming it made them try to commit suicide. BY: MR.X

this is the #1 reason knowledge and good research on aas is of the utmost importance.
on another note: George. don't i get some karma for posting a thread that has Mr.x replying 5 or more times. LOL!

I gave you K so you don't cry

 

[bigtravis]

thanks! i was starting to get dehydrated. lol.

 

[americany13]

Guys, I was told that it was ok to start using AAS if your are over 25% bf (ONLY, and ONLY if you are bulking evenmore) but never first time use AAS to cut...cause you will look too skinny...thats if you eat clean and hit the cardio.

So 25% bf newbie---AAS+diet+cardio+clean food=skinny tooth pick
But 25% bf newbie---AAS+GYM+(NO cardio)+Clean food= Good bulker,,repeat for 3 cycles then after muscles develop nicely then do a cutter cycle.

This was advice given to me, so please give me your input.....this is why I post on EliteF..so I can research more.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Although it may be a crutch, someone who has AAS experience and for some reason has fallen off the bandwagon and then been runover by the bandwagon could really benefit from something like winstrol/tren to get back to where they were. Yeah flame me all you want, you know it works, and it woudl work for them. Then again, I'm not talking about a 17 year old that's chubby. I'm talking about a 26 year old who may have disappointing natural test levels from a myriad of secondary conditions like sleep apnea (which would also decrease the amount of GH they released)

Situations like that which compound themselves into a downward spiral of lethargy, weight gain, and generally feeling bad leave the door open for really positive experiences using diet, cardio, training and a kick start from AAS use.


So tell me Mr. X... in this situation what would you do? 35 year old male, low test levels, non existent GH levels, somewhat obese, sleep apnea, trying to get himself in shape... would you be opposed to him self medicating with 400mg/week of test cyp or something like that?

To me, that's a real area of gray, and situations similar to that get into even more gray areas with recommending "off label" AAS use.

 

[hammercurls]

Although it may be a crutch, someone who has AAS experience and for some reason has fallen off the bandwagon and then been runover by the bandwagon could really benefit from something like winstrol/tren to get back to where they were. Yeah flame me all you want, you know it works, and it woudl work for them. Then again, I'm not talking about a 17 year old that's chubby. I'm talking about a 26 year old who may have disappointing natural test levels from a myriad of secondary conditions like sleep apnea (which would also decrease the amount of GH they released)

Situations like that which compound themselves into a downward spiral of lethargy, weight gain, and generally feeling bad leave the door open for really positive experiences using diet, cardio, training and a kick start from AAS use.


So tell me Mr. X... in this situation what would you do? 35 year old male, low test levels, non existent GH levels, somewhat obese, sleep apnea, trying to get himself in shape... would you be opposed to him self medicating with 400mg/week of test cyp or something like that?

To me, that's a real area of gray, and situations similar to that get into even more gray areas with recommending "off label" AAS use.

excellent post, this is what i was trying to say