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OT: Need advice, pretty serious. Moral delimma. Nobody should face this.

techlifter_2

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I know it is long, but please read all the way through. I'm sure everyone will have an opinion.

Here is the deal. I have two great danes, one male one female. My neighbor two doors down has three extremely aggressive pit bulls. In the past year I have had 4 seperate incidents with our dogs.

The first time one of the pits and my friend's dog started fighting through my fence via the alley. I chalked that up to an accident. It could happen to anyone and not very much harm was done.

The second event happened about a month later when I was taking out the trash. I had to jump in the dumpster to keep from getting attacked. I didn't think too much about that one either because technically I nothing got attacked. It very well could have run up to me barking, growling and snarling without doint anyting wrong.

The third event was when I was taking out my garbage again and my very large male was out there with me. The largest pit and my dane fought for a couple of minutes, but stopped after several repeated hits to the back of the pit's head with an iron bar. At this point I was getting rather aggravated with the whole situation. Circumstances or not, these dogs are starting to really be a problem and pose some sort of threat to me, and my property. I know the owners and while we aren't actually friends, I don't want any bad blood on the block. I swore if anything else happened I would call animal control.

Well, today it happened. I was doing dishes and when I looked out the window I saw their largest pit crash through one of my fence posts and clamp down on my female's snout. The second pit's head came through the fence above the first about the time my male made it across the yard. My male attacked the head of the second pit and due to the size/strength of my dane and the awkward position of the pit's head through the fence he was able to injury and scare it away. By this time I was running out the back door and I saw my male attack the back of the remaining pit's neck. In one yank he got some skin and broke off the choke chain of the pit. The first thing I could find was a four foot long metal bar that weighed about 40 lbs. In one swing I caught the pit, who was halfway into my yard and still clamping down on my dogs mouth, in the back of the head. The pit released and ran off.

The entire time I was running off pure adrenaline. When it was over I ran to the phone and called the police and animal control. Animal control came over just in time to see the dogs come back over to my fence for round two. In addition to this, she saw the fence and how it was broken inwards, blood all over my fence, my females face, and the broken choke chain. When she drove around to the back all three dogs ran into their backyard. Upon further inspection she noticed the back gate didn't have a latch and none of the dogs were chained up. When she got back to my front door she said the (pardon my use of words, I'm not racist in any way, I mean this very literally) Mexicans were very rude, aggressive and uncooperative with her.

After the Animal control left I called the police once again and asked one of the officers, off the record, what could be done. He said technically there isn't any criminal offense uless the witnessed the dogs in my yard, or partially in my yard. Therefore he said his hands were tied. But, he told me to keep records and documentation of everything that happens and to be sure and call the city code office tomorrow to file another complaint and possibly instigate a change. Finally he said, "I have a little girl and I shake at the thought of animals like that. If it comes even slightly in your yard again I'd shoot it."

It makes me mad there is nothing I can do. I am looking at a several hundred dollar emergency vet bill that I can't afford, and in the VERY best case a possible small claims court settlement a half year away. After talking to several people I keep hearing the same thing over and over. Put some poison in a slab of meat and toss it over the fence.

My impulse and instincts tell me this is exactly what needs to be done, however, this is illegal. It is wrong to be a vigilante, and the only thing that can come of doing something like this is a) me getting in trouble and b) the personal satisfaction of doing it.

After stepping back and looking at the big picture I came to a realization. My dog is going to be ok, i'm ok, and my yard and house (minus a couple fence pickets) are ok. If I keep documenting and reporting everything then eventually I will recieve satisfaction right?? Then I had a chilling thought.

My house backs up the the large hospital district. There are doctors offices on my street, not to mention every single building on the other side of the alley. Parking lots open freely to the alley. I lost my breath when this became apparent.

Does anyone have an older mother that sees a dermatologist, or a girlfriend that sees an OB/GYN? What about a little sister or daughter that has problems with her eyes? Well, a dermatologist, an OB/GYN, and an optomistrist all have seperate buildings no more than 30 feet from the gate that is supposed to keep these dogs in. Every day I see people coming and going, and honestly it is a miracle there hasn't been anything too serious yet.

How would I feel, what kind of guilt would I carry, if three or four months from now, when school is coming to close for the summer, I open the paper and some 4 year old girl was killed by these animals. How could I handle my friends, neighbors, or anyone's mother having to sit in a wheel chair because a pit bull injured her leg so badly she couldn't walk. At the trial the prosecution would surely bring up the fact that many complaints have been filed. I'll bet the owners would get in serious trouble as well. But I'll also bet that the owners of the pits, the lawyers, the judge, the jury, and every other person in the courtroom would wish that something had been done before it came to this.

Please no macho one line responses saying "id cook the fukers and eat them," or "shoot all three of them." I need some sort of insight on this situation. From pit bull owners, dog owners, people that have been attacked, people that have been on a dog attack jury, people that have gone through this, or even people that know about laws pertaining to this. I do live in texas so keep that in mind. Thanks for your time.
 
Bro, I know alittle about that subject I have delt with the same thing after my wife and our dog was attacked. The animal services said no citations could be issued due to not seeing it and my wife suffered no injury. I looked at my city ordinances and found the ones that the offending dogs violated at the library. I then went to the police and asked what could be done. After asking to speak to a supervisor they told me I could file an offence report for a city ordinance violation. I did that the only prob is if they plead not guilty you have to show up in court as the states witness. I was called and the guy was found guilty. Also one more step that you can look into. Our ordinance has a dangerous dog clause that may help you as well if you have one in your city. The dogs were out again two days later and animal control saw them out after I called, they wrote tickets for the dogs being at large as well as for failing to give rabies shots. The guy released the dogs to animal control to minimize the trouble he was in. They have since moved but the night before they were gone someone (him) slashed my boat cover and spray painted my bass boat. Good luck bro many people are more possesive of their dogs more than there kids. Would I do it this way again instead of taking it into my own hands I don't know.
 
yeah, my poor husky just falls down and whimpers when this little mutt 10 lb dog bites on him. he is just not aggressive. i am going to say something to the guy next time his half breed little rat bites my dog. but let me bring my parents doberman down there for you to help out....she'd rip both their heads straight off. :D i'm sorry to say what you said not to say....but i'd tell the mexicano's next time it happened i'm blowing the dogs away....and i'd probably already have beaten their ass to be honest after the first, never mind the second, incident. i hate it when people shoot dogs, but hey...there are times when such force is necessary. and if a dog is about to kill my dog or my kid....no way. anyway, hope someone can help out.
 
It depends on which life you value more - the life of an innocent person, or a dangerous animal.

Don't doubt for a second that you're a moral person for considering killing the neighbors' dogs - the fact that you stopped to think first when there have already been numerous incidents is exactly why you are. Shoot them. Seriously.

Re: the vet bill, do you have paypal? I don't know you, nor am I rolling in bills by any means, but I could shoot you $15-20 towards it. I have two Cairn terriers, one of whom had a nasty fight with a neighbor's aggressive Labrador a few years ago (who outweighed him by 80 pounds), and if it wasn't for getting my dog to a vet quickly, my life would have a lot less joy today...
 
I you would like to do something a little less obvious then shooting them...try anti-freeze ...dogs love it! My questions is ...what are you waiting for ...for you to be attacked and your dogs not there to save you?:smash:
 
My .02 cents..
last year my Boxer/Pit mix ( adopted from a kennel)and just the
best damn dog i ever had, attacked a Dalmation that came into
my driveway.. Dog was cut but not bad and no other damage occured.

I thought and thought about the situation and then I saw my
neighbors 2 year old playing in his yard 8 feet from my driveway.

I was a 250 lb babbling baby as they walked him to the back
of the shelter to put him down..

Moral.. We all love our Dogs.. but I could not take a chance with a little kids life. (p.s My girls think he went to drug training school
I did not have the heart to tell them)

If they enter your yard shoot to kill!
 
I would hit myslef with 1000mgs test then rip through the fence pick the pitbull up and twist its head off. J/K..... Damn bro. good luck and I am sorry to hear all that.
 
Have you tried speaking with the dogs' owners? It sounds like they dn't much give a shit, but perhaps you can convince them to get something done.

One of those animals attacking and killing a kid or someone else is a real danger. You mentioned a steel bar being the first thing you could find in the one incident. I'd make sure a shotgun would be in a real handy spot to be the first thing you find in any subsequent incident. I'd be waiting for them, as they will be back. In addition, if it were me, trash duty would be carried out with a .44 special on my side.
 
jipped genes

Sounds like a good Idea, I'll have to look into that after christmas.

JMasters

That would be a great idea if I had the time and resources. A time-lapse camera would be pretty costly and I'm not going to devote a webcam to monitering the backyard.

WARBIRDWS6

That is how my female is. She is scared of her own shadow, much less another dog. It is funny, since I started juicing, I have been able to take much more control over my anger and impulses. I think being able to attribute most of my anger mentally to "do'nt worry dude, it's just the juice," has made me a much more rational and level-headed person. Besides, the first couple of events IMO were mainly either dogs being dogs or just coincidental.

Ceebs[i/]

That is comforting to hear. I try to be optimistic on both the anger and happy side of my personality: happy side says "my dane will be ok," anger side says "I'm sure I won't miss next time." See? being positive with both thoughts. Thanks for the offer, but the bill turned out to be relatively small considering I know a vet about to graduate. I wasn't expecting any offer like that and it is wonderful to hear kindness like that still exists.

DeepSquat

Make no mistake, the officer told me if I even see them in my yard I have a right to kill. Obviously they posed a threat to myself and my property from previous actions. However, being that careful of the law would seem irrelavent if I got hotheaded and went to their yard. I might as well chop them into peices if I wanted to disregard the law.

DOGGY

You seem to express much of the way I feel. I have as much right to attack them in their yard as they had attacking my dogs in my yard: which is none. Two wrongs don't make a right and if everyone would adhere to that idea there would me much less heartbreak in the world.


After calming down and relaxing for a bit, as it stands I'm not going over there. I have filed reports, taken pictures, checked the health of her, and done some soulsearching. If they come in my yard I will shoot them, if they are in the alley behind my house I will call the police, take a picture, and antagonize them to stay till witness, and if myself or even if I witness anyone else feeling threatened, no matter the place or circumstance, I will not hesitate to put the dog down myself. These people don't keep these dogs as pets but as bragging rights and status symbols. Nobody would keep their pet either chained to a tree or running around hurting people if they actually cared.
 
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