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I agree with everyone, that a hit of HCG is necessary after the cycle. Also, I prefer Forma while on to control e, not as PCT. And always follow with this: Need something to hold you over in-between cycles?
Ordering cycle tomorrow, one last check!
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sure its possible but if youre young and this is your first time, it can be unweildy thats all. Its very hard to cut fat without losing weight but gear certainly helps with that. Thats why you always see guys do bulkers then cutters cycles. When I ran my first cycle I ran JUST testosterone on its own, no ancillaries, no nothing. Just to see how my body reacts so I can gauge future cycles and what I will have to do on cycle for my own body. Who knows, maybe I would have very little bloat and not need the AI thrown in. Of course I bloated big time but thats the point, to learn what taking only testosterone would do without so many variable. Just remember the more you lower estrogen, the more you affect your gains because you need estrogen also. But estrogen causes...water retention and gyno and etc etc lol Its a hard balance to walk between lowering estro but not so much that you negate your gains.
If you ate at maintenance, threw in cardio, then youre looking at a nice chance of losing the fat while gaining the muscle. But its just so damn hard because the body does not want to do that at all no matter what.
Keep the protein at least 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight also.
If its your first testosterone cycle and youre young, its just going to be a lot easier to go the regular route of upping your calories and protein, putting on the mass on cycle, then stripping it off afterwards.
I mean, if all you want to do is drop 2% BF then forget the roids, up your protein, train hard and heavy in the gym, hit cardio a few days a week and you should be there in about the same amount of time?
If its your first cycle you want to maximize that shit bro
98camarozzz
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Pics so you guys can see what kinda base ill be working with.
http://tinypic.com/r/2q0lroo/6
http://tinypic.com/r/msk6q0/6
http://tinypic.com/r/ida8w5/6
Yeah man solid advice, i see exactly where you're coming from.I don't JUST want to drop 2% lol But i like that low bodyfat look you know? I just want more mass overall, I want to come off cycle 10lbs heavier and less bodyfat. If i understand you correctly, you're saying i shouldn't do a lean bulk like cycle like this as a first; I should do more of a bulk then cut / cut cycle later in the future? What would you suggest as my first cycle then? I read nothing but good things about the Var tho, the hardness, vascular and you keep most of the gains apparently. I just threw in the Tbol because i liked my Hdrol cycle and from what i understand they are similar. I wanted to kickstart it so im not sitting around waiting for the longer ester
Yeah i figured keep the protein around 300g a day, been talking to "bigassturd" about a diet a little bit. Prob hit Dylan up with some more Q's later on about tweaking diet. You think i should stick with proposed cycle then Steve or should i drop a compound and take it easy? Just looking for helpful advice, experience > everything.
Hey bro we all like the low BF look, of course.
Look at it this way, for you to be 10 lbs up and 9% BF, you will have to gain a total of 15 lbs of pure muscle, not just muscle mixed in with some fat and bloat. Since you only weigh 175 to begin with thats a ton. Certainly possible but no small feat to say the least. Doubly hard when its your first test cycle. Cardio will be a must and your diet will have to be dialed in. Hopefully you wont have severe calf pumps from the cycle so you can do all that cardio.
But how do you know what "dialed in" is if this is your first cycle? The parameters change when youre on cycle and if its your first cycle you dont know what all the variables will do.
I guess the moral of the story is be prepared for anything to happen when you throw too many variables into the equation. such as not putting on any weight, but you lose fat. Or you could gain 20 lbs mass and fat. Or you could put on 5 lbs and lose 5 lbs and think the cycle was a failure when it actually wasnt, you just shuffled too many things around and shot yourself in the foot.
Look at it this way, for you to be 10 lbs up and 9% BF, you will have to gain a total of 15 lbs of pure muscle, not just muscle mixed in with some fat and bloat. Since you only weigh 175 to begin with thats a ton. Certainly possible but no small feat to say the least. Doubly hard when its your first test cycle. Cardio will be a must and your diet will have to be dialed in. Hopefully you wont have severe calf pumps from the cycle so you can do all that cardio.
But how do you know what "dialed in" is if this is your first cycle? The parameters change when youre on cycle and if its your first cycle you dont know what all the variables will do.
I guess the moral of the story is be prepared for anything to happen when you throw too many variables into the equation. such as not putting on any weight, but you lose fat. Or you could gain 20 lbs mass and fat. Or you could put on 5 lbs and lose 5 lbs and think the cycle was a failure when it actually wasnt, you just shuffled too many things around and shot yourself in the foot.
I agree 100% with this post. Pick a goal and have realistic expectations. Bodybuilding is amarathon and not a sprint. You aren't going to build the body you want in one cycle.
98camarozzz
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Good point bro! I suppose ill be happy if i lose BF and even maintain my weight then.
Whats your end game with cycling in general? If its to be ultimately 10 lbs heavier and 9% then gonna need more than one cycle for that. You could do that in a year easy. But then after you get a taste of the gear your goals change. You just gonna stop doing roids at that point? Hell no lol
You know damn well you gonna wanna be 200 lbs after that
Shits like a Lays potato chip, cant have just one
98camarozzz
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Haha fuck man, i havent had a Lays potato chip for years! My end goal? Fuck man i'd have to say 190-195Lbs @ 8% at my 5'10 height. I know DAMN WELL that won't happen with one cycle, but thats my goal im hoping to achieve while im in college for the next 3 years. I'm dropping the Tbol, just going to go with Test E and kick Anavar on the end ASLONG as no weird sides show before week 8. Apparently var has almost no sides except pumps, making it an oral of choice but its so fucking pricey. Not a huge deal tho, the VA(gi bill) is sponsoring this cycle you know what i mean? Lolll
edit : Ill tell you guys right now i don't want to get over 200lbs, i don't want that huge fucking bulk look (no offense to those of you that do walking around like Mr O) It just doesn't float my boat. I want to be shredded as fuck @ 190-195 YEAR ROUND.
Ok thats a realistic long term goal there. Gonna be tough to keep the BF at that low but thats what cardio and diet is for. Im your height and 205 and no way Im anywhere near any Mr. O guys lol
98camarozzz
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Sorry, maybe had a bit of exaggeration in there; I hope you get the point tho! Thanks everyone's help, cycle is ordered, dropping the tbol and just puttin var on the back end aslong as my body reacts well to the test for 8 weeks. Everyone agree 60mg var eg would be g2g?
