Ordering cycle tomorrow, one last check!

[98camarozzz]

Well it's time to order my cycle brothers. This will be my first real cycle, did a 6 week Hdrol cycle thats it. I'm looking for 100% lean gains, experienced guys by all means, if you know of something that would work better let me know.
1-12 Test E 500mg/week Mon & Thurs
1-12 Liquid Aromasin. 12.5 mg EOD (starting baseline, will adjust accordingly)
1-4 Liquid Turinabol 50mg ED
8-14 Anavar 60mg ED (Fuck my ass, this shits expensive)
Misc - Fish oils, Flax seed, Multi, Etc.

PCT
Clomid 25\25\25\25
Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo
Forma
DAA Power chews

Shooting to eat just a hair over maintenance maybe 2-300 in the beginning. Trying to drop from 11-12% down into single digits by the time this is over. Your guy's opinions?

 

[nb01741]

hcg?

 

[98camarozzz]

I didn't plan on it, no. You think its absolutely necessary? Seems like I only see HCG in about 50% of the cycles?

 

[stevesmi]

yes you need hcg to kickstart pct.

thats a very suppressive cycle you are running there

and this isn't your first cycle.. that helladrol you ran is as real as any steroid out there.. you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise

 

[98camarozzz]

yes you need hcg to kickstart pct.

thats a very suppressive cycle you are running there

and this isn't your first cycle.. that helladrol you ran is as real as any steroid out there.. you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise

Sorry, by first i was implying pin cycle.

 

[Svenman19]

If you don't use hcg get a bottle of hcgenerate and use it weeks 6-10. It's what I do it's pretty much the same thing.

 

[98camarozzz]

If you don't use hcg get a bottle of hcgenerate and use it weeks 6-10. It's what I do it's pretty much the same thing.

I could do that no problem. Stevesmi, what's your opinion on that alt. route instead? My source doesn't carry HCG

 

[nb01741]

Dude I would advise to find HCG. It is one of the most important parts of a cycle. I've ran a cycle with and without it and I promise you that you will regret it if you don't.

 

[98camarozzz]

Alright man, I'm not going to be one of the arrogant fucks who go against what everyone says. I'll email source right now find out if he carries it, any idea the easiest way to dose it? I'm not super familiar with it but it doesn't have to be injected intramuscular correct?

EDIT : Ontop of addition of the HCG to cycle, any other opinions, concerns? BTW im 25, lifting/dieting very consistent for 2 years now. 5'10 175 11% BF right now.

 

[kubes]

I didn't plan on it, no. You think its absolutely necessary? Seems like I only see HCG in about 50% of the cycles?

I would never recommend a cycle with out hcg. I will maintain tesicular function through the cycle and make pct much easier!!

 

[nb01741]

Alright man, I'm not going to be one of the arrogant fucks who go against what everyone says. I'll email source right now find out if he carries it, any idea the easiest way to dose it? I'm not super familiar with it but it doesn't have to be injected intramuscular correct?

EDIT : Ontop of addition of the HCG to cycle, any other opinions, concerns? BTW im 25, lifting/dieting very consistent for 2 years now. 5'10 175 11% BF right now.

Just look up on youtube how to mix it. It comes as powder in a vial and you mix x amount of bac water to get your dosage. Usually you would want to do 1cc=500iu. And pin 250iu on Mondays and 250iu on Thursdays (or whatever days you want). Or you can blast 1000iu/ week during the 2 weeks after your last shot and the start of your PCT.

 

[98camarozzz]

Just look up on youtube how to mix it. It comes as powder in a vial and you mix x amount of bac water to get your dosage. Usually you would want to do 1cc=500iu. And pin 250iu on Mondays and 250iu on Thursdays (or whatever days you want). Or you can blast 1000iu/ week during the 2 weeks after your last shot and the start of your PCT.

That doesn't sound so bad man, honestly i hate needles; Blasting for the 2 weeks after last pin seems like the best idea. Will get HCG then hopefully my source carries it...everything else look pretty solid?? My goals of losing BF and putting on dry muscle should be obtainable?

 

[-SD-]

Well you arent going to get 100% lean gains on that cycle especially if youre a noob to all this.

 

[98camarozzz]

Well you arent going to get 100% lean gains on that cycle especially if youre a noob to all this.

I'm all ears, let's hear it.

 

[-SD-]

So you are going to eat more than maintenance and take testosterone, which bloats easily, and its your first big boy cycle, and you expect to drop into single digits from 12% What else are you doing besides eating more than maintenance and taking testosterone enat, which for your first time is going to hit you like a freight train with bloat?

 

[98camarozzz]

So you are going to eat more than maintenance and take testosterone, which bloats easily, and its your first big boy cycle, and you expect to drop into single digits from 12% What else are you doing besides eating more than maintenance and taking testosterone enat, which for your first time is going to hit you like a freight train with bloat?

Amasin will subside most of the water right? I could shed 2% BF natural in 14 weeks and put me into single digits; Won't it be easier on cycle eating at maint. Not to mention the var on the end? I'm not sure what you're expecting me to say to this lol, are you asking if im going to change my eating habits or...? Any other precautions besides Amasin to take care of the bloat? The bloat will disappear after cycle of course?

 

[-SD-]

Amasin will subside most of the water right? I could shed 2% BF natural in 14 weeks and put me into single digits; Won't it be easier on cycle eating at maint. Not to mention the var on the end? I'm not sure what you're expecting me to say to this lol, are you asking if im going to change my eating habits or...? Any other precautions besides Amasin to take care of the bloat? The bloat will disappear after cycle of course?

Im just saying your first time using testosterone, and eating over maintenance for the cycle, I dont see how youre going to shed 2% while on cycle unless youre doing a lot of cardio. At your small size to begin with, testosterone going to hit you pretty hard, who knows you may not want to drop the fat once you see the strength and size gains lol

 

[buddhabuilder]

I would use N2Guard through the whole cycle. I would also add Forma Stanzol during the 2 weeks after last pin, and then straight through PCT. Some guys will go back and forth between HCG and HCGenerate every 4 or 6 weeks to keep their system from building a resistance to either one. PCT looks good.

 

[98camarozzz]

Im just saying your first time using testosterone, and eating over maintenance for the cycle, I dont see how youre going to shed 2% while on cycle unless youre doing a lot of cardio. At your small size to begin with, testosterone going to hit you pretty hard, who knows you may not want to drop the fat once you see the strength and size gains lol

Umm could be right man, once i got down to 10% last summer i just looked like i didnt lift in a shirt, fuck that shit. I want to eat AT maintenance..could this take BF and put on muscle? I hear nothing but good things about shit like that. I know theoretically you can't do it naturally but isnt this another ballgame?

 

[98camarozzz]

I would use N2Guard through the whole cycle. I would also add Forma Stanzol during the 2 weeks after last pin, and then straight through PCT. Some guys will go back and forth between HCG and HCGenerate every 4 or 6 weeks to keep their system from building a resistance to either one. PCT looks good.

Yes sorry forgot to mention, will be running N2guard both for tbol and Var. Working out a BOGO right now hopefully =D

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree with everyone, that a hit of HCG is necessary after the cycle. Also, I prefer Forma while on to control e, not as PCT. And always follow with this: Need something to hold you over in-between cycles?

 

[-SD-]

Umm could be right man, once i got down to 10% last summer i just looked like i didnt lift in a shirt, fuck that shit. I want to eat AT maintenance..could this take BF and put on muscle? I hear nothing but good things about shit like that. I know theoretically you can't do it naturally but isnt this another ballgame?

sure its possible but if youre young and this is your first time, it can be unweildy thats all. Its very hard to cut fat without losing weight but gear certainly helps with that. Thats why you always see guys do bulkers then cutters cycles. When I ran my first cycle I ran JUST testosterone on its own, no ancillaries, no nothing. Just to see how my body reacts so I can gauge future cycles and what I will have to do on cycle for my own body. Who knows, maybe I would have very little bloat and not need the AI thrown in. Of course I bloated big time but thats the point, to learn what taking only testosterone would do without so many variable. Just remember the more you lower estrogen, the more you affect your gains because you need estrogen also. But estrogen causes...water retention and gyno and etc etc lol Its a hard balance to walk between lowering estro but not so much that you negate your gains.
If you ate at maintenance, threw in cardio, then youre looking at a nice chance of losing the fat while gaining the muscle. But its just so damn hard because the body does not want to do that at all no matter what.
Keep the protein at least 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight also.

If its your first testosterone cycle and youre young, its just going to be a lot easier to go the regular route of upping your calories and protein, putting on the mass on cycle, then stripping it off afterwards.

I mean, if all you want to do is drop 2% BF then forget the roids, up your protein, train hard and heavy in the gym, hit cardio a few days a week and you should be there in about the same amount of time?
If its your first cycle you want to maximize that shit bro

 

[98camarozzz]

sure its possible but if youre young and this is your first time, it can be unweildy thats all. Its very hard to cut fat without losing weight but gear certainly helps with that. Thats why you always see guys do bulkers then cutters cycles. When I ran my first cycle I ran JUST testosterone on its own, no ancillaries, no nothing. Just to see how my body reacts so I can gauge future cycles and what I will have to do on cycle for my own body. Who knows, maybe I would have very little bloat and not need the AI thrown in. Of course I bloated big time but thats the point, to learn what taking only testosterone would do without so many variable. Just remember the more you lower estrogen, the more you affect your gains because you need estrogen also. But estrogen causes...water retention and gyno and etc etc lol Its a hard balance to walk between lowering estro but not so much that you negate your gains.
If you ate at maintenance, threw in cardio, then youre looking at a nice chance of losing the fat while gaining the muscle. But its just so damn hard because the body does not want to do that at all no matter what.
Keep the protein at least 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight also.

If its your first testosterone cycle and youre young, its just going to be a lot easier to go the regular route of upping your calories and protein, putting on the mass on cycle, then stripping it off afterwards.

I mean, if all you want to do is drop 2% BF then forget the roids, up your protein, train hard and heavy in the gym, hit cardio a few days a week and you should be there in about the same amount of time?
If its your first cycle you want to maximize that shit bro

Pics so you guys can see what kinda base ill be working with.
http://tinypic.com/r/2q0lroo/6
http://tinypic.com/r/msk6q0/6
http://tinypic.com/r/ida8w5/6
Yeah man solid advice, i see exactly where you're coming from.I don't JUST want to drop 2% lol But i like that low bodyfat look you know? I just want more mass overall, I want to come off cycle 10lbs heavier and less bodyfat. If i understand you correctly, you're saying i shouldn't do a lean bulk like cycle like this as a first; I should do more of a bulk then cut / cut cycle later in the future? What would you suggest as my first cycle then? I read nothing but good things about the Var tho, the hardness, vascular and you keep most of the gains apparently. I just threw in the Tbol because i liked my Hdrol cycle and from what i understand they are similar. I wanted to kickstart it so im not sitting around waiting for the longer ester

Yeah i figured keep the protein around 300g a day, been talking to "bigassturd" about a diet a little bit. Prob hit Dylan up with some more Q's later on about tweaking diet. You think i should stick with proposed cycle then Steve or should i drop a compound and take it easy? Just looking for helpful advice, experience > everything.

 

[-SD-]

Hey bro we all like the low BF look, of course.

Look at it this way, for you to be 10 lbs up and 9% BF, you will have to gain a total of 15 lbs of pure muscle, not just muscle mixed in with some fat and bloat. Since you only weigh 175 to begin with thats a ton. Certainly possible but no small feat to say the least. Doubly hard when its your first test cycle. Cardio will be a must and your diet will have to be dialed in. Hopefully you wont have severe calf pumps from the cycle so you can do all that cardio.
But how do you know what "dialed in" is if this is your first cycle? The parameters change when youre on cycle and if its your first cycle you dont know what all the variables will do.

I guess the moral of the story is be prepared for anything to happen when you throw too many variables into the equation. such as not putting on any weight, but you lose fat. Or you could gain 20 lbs mass and fat. Or you could put on 5 lbs and lose 5 lbs and think the cycle was a failure when it actually wasnt, you just shuffled too many things around and shot yourself in the foot.

 

[RickRock13]

Hey bro we all like the low BF look, of course.

Look at it this way, for you to be 10 lbs up and 9% BF, you will have to gain a total of 15 lbs of pure muscle, not just muscle mixed in with some fat and bloat. Since you only weigh 175 to begin with thats a ton. Certainly possible but no small feat to say the least. Doubly hard when its your first test cycle. Cardio will be a must and your diet will have to be dialed in. Hopefully you wont have severe calf pumps from the cycle so you can do all that cardio.
But how do you know what "dialed in" is if this is your first cycle? The parameters change when youre on cycle and if its your first cycle you dont know what all the variables will do.

I guess the moral of the story is be prepared for anything to happen when you throw too many variables into the equation. such as not putting on any weight, but you lose fat. Or you could gain 20 lbs mass and fat. Or you could put on 5 lbs and lose 5 lbs and think the cycle was a failure when it actually wasnt, you just shuffled too many things around and shot yourself in the foot.

I agree 100% with this post. Pick a goal and have realistic expectations. Bodybuilding is amarathon and not a sprint. You aren't going to build the body you want in one cycle.

 

[98camarozzz]

I agree 100% with this post. Pick a goal and have realistic expectations. Bodybuilding is amarathon and not a sprint. You aren't going to build the body you want in one cycle.

Good point bro! I suppose ill be happy if i lose BF and even maintain my weight then.

 

[-SD-]

Good point bro! I suppose ill be happy if i lose BF and even maintain my weight then.

Whats your end game with cycling in general? If its to be ultimately 10 lbs heavier and 9% then gonna need more than one cycle for that. You could do that in a year easy. But then after you get a taste of the gear your goals change. You just gonna stop doing roids at that point? Hell no lol
You know damn well you gonna wanna be 200 lbs after that
Shits like a Lays potato chip, cant have just one

 

[98camarozzz]

Whats your end game with cycling in general? If its to be ultimately 10 lbs heavier and 9% then gonna need more than one cycle for that. You could do that in a year easy. But then after you get a taste of the gear your goals change. You just gonna stop doing roids at that point? Hell no lol
You know damn well you gonna wanna be 200 lbs after that
Shits like a Lays potato chip, cant have just one

Haha fuck man, i havent had a Lays potato chip for years! My end goal? Fuck man i'd have to say 190-195Lbs @ 8% at my 5'10 height. I know DAMN WELL that won't happen with one cycle, but thats my goal im hoping to achieve while im in college for the next 3 years. I'm dropping the Tbol, just going to go with Test E and kick Anavar on the end ASLONG as no weird sides show before week 8. Apparently var has almost no sides except pumps, making it an oral of choice but its so fucking pricey. Not a huge deal tho, the VA(gi bill) is sponsoring this cycle you know what i mean? Lolll

edit : Ill tell you guys right now i don't want to get over 200lbs, i don't want that huge fucking bulk look (no offense to those of you that do walking around like Mr O) It just doesn't float my boat. I want to be shredded as fuck @ 190-195 YEAR ROUND.

 

[-SD-]

Haha fuck man, i havent had a Lays potato chip for years! My end goal? Fuck man i'd have to say 190-195Lbs @ 8% at my 5'10 height. I know DAMN WELL that won't happen with one cycle, but thats my goal im hoping to achieve while im in college for the next 3 years. I'm dropping the Tbol, just going to go with Test E and kick Anavar on the end ASLONG as no weird sides show before week 8. Apparently var has almost no sides except pumps, making it an oral of choice but its so fucking pricey. Not a huge deal tho, the VA(gi bill) is sponsoring this cycle you know what i mean? Lolll

edit : Ill tell you guys right now i don't want to get over 200lbs, i don't want that huge fucking bulk look (no offense to those of you that do walking around like Mr O) It just doesn't float my boat. I want to be shredded as fuck @ 190-195 YEAR ROUND.

Ok thats a realistic long term goal there. Gonna be tough to keep the BF at that low but thats what cardio and diet is for. Im your height and 205 and no way Im anywhere near any Mr. O guys lol

 

[98camarozzz]

Ok thats a realistic long term goal there. Gonna be tough to keep the BF at that low but thats what cardio and diet is for. Im your height and 205 and no way Im anywhere near any Mr. O guys lol

Sorry, maybe had a bit of exaggeration in there; I hope you get the point tho! Thanks everyone's help, cycle is ordered, dropping the tbol and just puttin var on the back end aslong as my body reacts well to the test for 8 weeks. Everyone agree 60mg var eg would be g2g?

 

[-SD-]

Sorry, maybe had a bit of exaggeration in there; I hope you get the point tho! Thanks everyone's help, cycle is ordered, dropping the tbol and just puttin var on the back end aslong as my body reacts well to the test for 8 weeks. Everyone agree 60mg var eg would be g2g?

No way I want to be anywhere close to Mr. O, Im 38 and just a squirrel trying to get a nut in this game hahaha

The var is good at 60mg on the back end and the 8 weeks of just test should give you a good enough baseline of how you react to just test.

Almost forgot, if the calf and lower back pumps are too much take Taurine 10 grams a day, which is 10 pills if they are 1000mg each. Probably should be taking that anyhow since its a good supplement on or off the sauce. Keep water intake at at least a gallon a day also.

 

[ozcroboy]

ive ran hcgen from week one of cycle till end of pct and found ma boys were fine if u cant find hcg