Older cycles....older results

[Nelson Montana]

Arnold didn't look anything special?

Yeah, if only he had more slin -- maybe he would have made something of himself.

 

[JP@Ironology]

Some interesting points made.

Comment: Nelson, sometimes I think you don't make any sense and then sometimes you do. Your ideas sure stir up some debate though which, is good.

 

[deez]

It seems like everthing is always discredited by someone. Really i never know what to believe anymore. Now insulin doesnt do shit! Clomids dont work. WTF. Anymore i say fuck it man. There are alot of smart bros on here. ALOT. But seriously, anymore, i dont give a fuck about the science behind juice. Id rather ask a couple dudes what worked for them and give it a whirl. Ill be my own ginny pig. someone will always be there to tell you this or that sucks. Nelson you a smart mofo but u cant believe everything you hear. Pros arent going to give their secrets out to be put in a book. Id much rather take advice from a bro on here thats been their done that in the gym. Than one thats heard how to get big on the phone.

 

[BigPapaPump]

My god this topic sure hit a nerve with some.

Here's my take on some of the comments.

I will exclude any thing good or bad about gh, I have tried it but sadly I am one of the 1 in a 1,000,000 that has a bad reaction to it.

I think clomid is crap, but do not wish to debate the anti e's.

I agree that body building is more main stream today, years ago you would have been called a freak if you openly displayed yourself in such a manner.

I think athletes are in much better condition today than say 20 yrs ago, is it the gear, the training equip, diet, easier lifestyles ? Don't know.

I guess that leads back to my original question then.

BPP

 

[McBane]

My goal is to inform -- the changing of one's mind is up to the individual. Everyone has the right to remain ignorant.

What about the clomid studies I just posted bro? I mean if you want to inform people that's fine....I respect that...that's what we are all trying to do here. However if you are making statements you should be able to back them up. Your comments about clomid being crap and post cycle drugs not neccessary (except maybe proviron and HCG which both are suppressive of HTPA) seems like it endangers the health of the members. So basically all I am asking is you back up your theory about post cycle meds....not by saying I talked to a pro and he told me....or that you believe it...but with facts. I don't wish to sound like an asshole, but no matter who you know, or how friendly you are with them, I still want to see some facts to back up your statement. Keep in mind all these statements are in regards to your post cycle theories....I'll leave the GH & slin debate alone

 

[McBane]

BUMP

 

[ceo]

Bro you have to realize the acne is prob from the hormone crash after the cycle, not the clomid. Too many people fail to realize this. When you have large fluctuations in hormone levels acne can result, it just so happens that you are taking clomid at the time to try to stimulate LH, FSH and testosterone production in an attempt to return to homeostasis. Go use nolvadex and I am willing to bet you still get acne post cycle because of the reasons I just listed.

Um...ok, even though I've NOT used clomid after cycles and NOT broken out. I'm not the only one who has experienced this with clomid either. Maybe I'm part of a minority who reacts aversely to clomid...who knows. I'm just saying what I know about me based on my own "clinical" research. Besides, I've read studies which support the arguement of why nolvadex would be a better post cycle therapy than clomid, so I'll stick to that. The nolva seems to work for me and I dont break out from it. It's cheaper too.

 

[ceo]

Arnie trained hard and took what he could, but didnt look anything special.

However apply todays knowledge to his physique and you'll have a different person altogether.

Times over old man, its time for the new and improved.
Bro

Yes, poor, poor Arnold! Whatever happened to him anyway? He was a good guy, but just nothing special...too bad he never really made anything of himself. Probably lost his motivation...lacked dedication.

I'm glad Arnold wasn't freakish. I MUCH prefer his physique over today's pros. Give me the days of old over the "new and improved" anyday.

I'm sure that brotheriron looks MUCH better than Arnold ever did.

 

[brotheriron]

My point was that arnie wouldnt win an amateur comp today, never mind a pro.
Yeah, and come september i will be competing at around arnie's weight, but im only 5'9, and ive got legs.
If you want arnies body go and train arms and chest.

Bro

 

[McBane]

I'd like to put this thread to rest too but I'd still like to hear from Nelson as his clomid claim was a bit extreme so I'd like to hear his response.