Older cycles....older results

[not2friendly]

Thirtysomething...

I remember my first cycle. Laurabolin and T-200 w/ 16g vet pins. Years ago. I have tried mixing and matching and adding compounds, to the point I was taking 4-5 AAS for my yearly bulking cycle. I have to agree w/most on here, after 10+ years of cycling. It's about the basics. Just like any sport, if you don't get the basics, you can't play the sport, (not very well, anyway). My basics are this TEST!! D-bol, Deca. I've never done drol (not that I didn't have the chance, and still might give it a go?) so I can't comment, but for as long as it's been around I should probably include it.

 

[ironmaster]

McBane......I'm not endorsing extremism at all. I don't post any statement unless I can back it up through science or personal experience.
I don't use anti-e's, so I won't comment there, but I flat disagree with NM regarding GH and insulin. I am meticulous in my training and have kept pictures over the years that illustrate the effects of different supplements on my physique. My pics while using GH and insulin are like night and day different than without, while maintaining the same diet and excercise routine.....and with the EXACT same steroid stack. I have posted some of these before.
I am an old guy, and my natural hormone prouction is considerably less than trainer in his 20's, so that fact has to be considered as well.

 

[Nico Cujo]

I'm in my mid 40's and have been at this for the past 20 years. I agree with the others that test/dbol is the way to go.

 

[Watson]

Here we go with the nelson bashing again. I would love to know what is good for post cycle recovery though.

 

[brotheriron]

Absolute bullshit. Saying GH and Slin are crap.
Yeah good luck to ya mate, try and change everybodynuilders mind that GH isnt any good, and you tell em to just take test and d-bol.
And you say primo decca and winny have been here for 40yrs?
Exactly, just proves that todays physiques are based on alot more pharacuticals than simple old test, decca and primo.
Wake up guys, you only need to look at the 2002 Mr O compared to the 1980 to see the difference the new drugs make.
Bro

 

[Zoomster]

Stick with the original thread, please, not another 4 page clomid debate! Do your research guys, clomid is recommended more often than anything else for post cycle recovery. Nelson has a very long thread on his views that oppose these issues.

 

[Nelson Montana]

My goal is to inform -- the changing of one's mind is up to the individual. Everyone has the right to remain ignorant.

The reason for todays champs being do much bigger:

People in general are bigger.

Bigger people are attracted to bodybuilding whereas in the past, it was mostly the little" guy who lifted weights in order to compensate.

Drug dosages have quadrupled.

Guys stay on year round.

Guys can eat 1000's more calories because they can lose fat with more drugs.

GH and insulin may increase size. They'll also cause diabetes, tendontitus, and dissended stomachs. But hey, you do get a groovy plastic trophy for your efforts! Wait a minute. I think only about 2 or 3 guys on this board actually compete. So explain to me again why Gh and insulin are so great?

 

[brotheriron]

Fuckin hell, you really aint got a clue have you. Ive seen GH and slin add over 50lbs lean mass to people i know, something that more gear, or higher doses could not do. Gh for dieting is one powerful tool, exte=remely anti cataboilic, and one of the best fat loss aids that drug market has seen.

And if you think todays pros are bigger because in general people are bigger then you really are ignorant. Your reasons are fuckin insults to anyone and everyone in the sport.

And if it is your goal to inform, then inform the correct information, dont tell everyone a load a shit.
Bro

 

[Nelson Montana]

GH is the best fat loss aids on the market? Whatever you say bro.

I do find it humorous when I site several reasons for something and someone shoots back with a strong retaliation to ONE of them. Unbelievable.

I've also spoken to dozens, maybe hundreds, of pro bodybuilders in depth. I have their phone #'s in my book. How many do you chum around with? It must be plenty since you seem to have the inside scoop on what they do.

I'll bet High Intensity will lose more fat riding that bike he's gonna buy than he would from a course of GH.



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Don't even think about asking for anyone's number.

 

[brotheriron]

I know enough semi pro amateurs, and have contact to a couple of pros if need be. I work for one of the UK's biggest supplement companies and we sponsor a number of world class athlete and yes, I do 'chum around with them'.

But face it your reasons were bullshit. Arnie trained hard and took what he could, but didnt look anything special. However apply todays knowledge to his physique and you'll have a different person altogether.

Stick to your old time bullshit, think the reason for todays bodybuilders being 300lbs is because "people are bigger in general", "drug doses have quadrupled" and "people stay on all year round". Yeah im sure they add 50lbs muscle to anyones physique. Stay away from GH, Slin, DNP, Whey protein etc because they dont work, all you need is test and d-bol, like the good old days.
Times over old man, its time for the new and improved.
Bro