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No argument justifies amnesty for illegal aliens

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Please write to your Congressman or woman about the CLEAR act, and the Homeland Security Enhancement Acts... it's sad how local legislature and Law enforcement agencies have ignored local illegal aliens due to things such as political correctness, or fear of offending an illegal alien, or whatever....Here's more info for those interested:

CLEAR

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No argument justifies amnesty for illegal aliens

Phyllis Schlafly


May 3, 2004


A favorite argument of the people who support amnesty for illegal aliens goes something like this: Current immigration laws, just like Prohibition and the 55 mph speed limit, cannot be enforced, so we might as well adjust to reality.

That is like telling a woman, "You can't fight your rapist, so relax and enjoy it." There must be a better solution.

Comparing the ongoing invasion of the United States by illegal aliens to Prohibition or the 55 mph speed limit is totally unreasonable. The majority of Americans wanted those laws repealed. But the people, by a wide margin, want our immigration laws enforced.

That's why Sens. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., and Zell Miller, D-Ga., held a hearing last week on their Homeland Security Enhancement Act, which is designed to promote cooperation between local law enforcement agencies and federal immigration authorities.

It is a reflection of the peculiar times in which we live that there is a need for such a law. But the failure of federal and state law enforcement personnel to cooperate to protect us from crimes committed by illegal aliens is as dangerous as the now-famous failure of the CIA and the FBI to talk to each other about terrorists.

Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., is the sponsor of a similar bill, called the CLEAR Act, to give state and local authorities the power to routinely enforce federal immigration laws. The bill has 120 co-sponsors and is one border security bill that has a chance to pass this year.

The numbers tell us why this cooperation is essential. Our fewer than 2,000 federal immigration agents cannot possibly cope with the problems caused by 10 million illegal aliens. We don't want to hire 500,000 new federal agents.

The solution is to use the police officers who walk their beats, drive our highways and come into contact with illegal aliens every day. The federal government desperately needs the eyes, ears and cooperation of our 650,000 state and local police officers.

The open-borders lobby is vehemently opposed to this sensible cooperation. Many city and local governments have adopted so-called "sanctuary" laws, or policies to forbid local police to ask anyone whether they are legally in the United States.

Police officers who suspect violations of immigration law are often prohibited from detaining illegal aliens or contacting federal immigration authorities. Sanctuary laws even prohibit police officers from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities.

We've seen many examples of illegal aliens who were stopped by local police but set free, only to commit crimes instead of being deported. One such case is the notorious Dec. 19, 2002, gang rape in Queens, N.Y., of a mother of two by five illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America who had been arrested several times, but never turned over to the immigration agency.

The most famous example is Washington, D.C.-area sniper Lee Malvo, a Jamaican who was caught by local law enforcement in Bellingham, Wash. He was identified as an illegal alien who should have been deported, but instead was set free by federal authorities.

Three of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers, including ringleader Mohammed Atta, had been stopped and ticketed for significant traffic violations, such as driving without a license and speeding at 90 mph. Thousands of innocent lives could have been saved had there been closer cooperation between local police and immigration authorities.

The Los Angeles police department is handcuffed by Special Order 40, which prohibits the police from asking anyone they arrest about their immigration status unless the suspect is already charged with a felony. The police cannot notify immigration authorities about an illegal alien picked up for minor violations, even though it is well known that enforcing laws against minor crimes often prevents major ones.

The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act makes it unlawful for any municipality to restrict its employees from reporting illegal aliens to federal authorities. It also allows the federal government and local police to work together under specific written agreements. A few local agencies have reached such agreements, and Virginia just became the third state to give its state police more authority to detain illegal aliens.

Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, trying to defend his city's sanctuary policy, fought against that law all the way to the Supreme Court. He lost in court, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg's "don't ask, don't tell" rule continues to skirt the 1996 law.

There are 400,000 illegal aliens walking our streets who are under standing deportation orders, known as absconders, of whom 80,000 are criminal aliens and nearly 3,800 are from countries with a known al-Qaeda presence. The Los Angeles Police Department has more than 1,200 outstanding warrants for illegal aliens on homicide charges.

The foreign born make up 30 percent of federal prisoners. The big-city gangs are mostly foreign born, and their viciousness is illustrated by Valentino Mitchell Arenas, the 16-year-old who on April 21 is alleged to have shot and killed California Highway Patrol officer Thomas Steiner as the boy's admission ticket to the 12th Street Pomona gang, which authorities say has ties to the Mexican Mafia.

The CLEAR Act and the Homeland Security Enhancement Act will give our beleaguered law enforcement officials more tools to combat terrorists, gangs and other criminals. Tell your representatives in Congress to act now.
 
Many local authorities do have these powers, but some, such as Arlington, VA simply refuse to enforce them, stating that "immigration is a federal governemnt problem".

This is nothing new: the majority of Americans want tax code reform too.
 
Do you know how EASY it is for terrorists to sneak in through the southern border, rather then having to go through a port where you see an officer first? We're a sitting TIME bomb:

No. of arrests, deaths surge along border
By Michael Marizco
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

By the numbers

Apprehensions of illegal border crossers in the Tucson Sector have risen sharply this fiscal year compared with the past two years.

In year-to-date figures from Oct. 1 to April 27:


2004

277,634


2003

173,129


2002

177,336


2001

288,123


2000

367,408


1999

272,171

Source: U.S. Border Patrol, Tucson Sector


ALTAR, Sonora - Mexican nationals crossing illegally into Arizona are dying at nearly three times the rate of last year - the deadliest year on record - in part because their anticipation of amnesty has created a spike in the number of people moving across the border.

More than 100,000 more illegal entrants have already been arrested in the deserts of Southern Arizona since Oct. 1 than in the same period a year ago , while the United States finishes putting the $10 million Arizona Border Control Initiative in place.

Coyotes - human smugglers - are responding to the U.S. promise of controlling the border by raising their fees and promising to take people through more treacherous routes, such as the mountain passes between Lukeville and Yuma, where 14 illegal entrants died three years ago.

The bodies of 61 people have been found in Arizona's desert around Tucson since Oct. 1, reports from the Mexican government show. For the same time last year, there were 21 known deaths.

Bodies have been found from the border near Nogales to as far north as Marana, 75 miles away. The data are collected by Mexico's Ministry of the Interior.

The Border Patrol, because it does not keep track of bodies other agencies find, counts 29 dead in the Tucson Sector, which covers most of Arizona.

During the same time, apprehensions jumped 60 percent to 277,000, said Rob Griffin, spokesman for the U.S. Border Patrol's Tucson Sector. The surge is happening in all parts of the sector and accounts for more than half of the 525,000 arrested along the entire U.S.-Mexican border.

The Border Patrol is reacting by bringing in two drone planes, four more helicopters and 290 more agents to better control the border as part of a border initiative that will be fully implemented by June 1 and last through the summer.

Antonio Manriquez, a coyote in Altar, grinned when asked if the initiative is going to blow his plans for smuggling illegal entrants into the United States this summer.

"We'll find a way; we always do," said the clean-cut smuggler with smiling eyes, as he calmly stirred his cup of coffee in a restaurant in this dry, dusty town three hours from Tucson.

Manriquez, who has worked the Altar-to-Sasabe corridor as a smuggler for two years, is still contemplating the best routes to avoid the promised increase in agents and equipment along the Arizona-Mexico border.

"Sasabe is an easier place to cross through than the west because there is less sand to wade through," he said. "There is shade, trees and one can hide more easily. But we can move through Sonoyta (Sonora), certainly."

He and other smugglers will raise the price to cross migrants. Right now, a Mexican will pay about $1,500 for the trip; Manriquez says he will be charging as high as $2,500 once summer begins.

Another change in tactics is setting up safe houses in Sonoyta and Sasabe and moving small numbers of people across, he said. Safe houses, common in Phoenix, are used to hide large numbers of smuggled migrants before moving them to another city.

Smugglers are also gathering migrants and selling them to other smugglers even before the people cross the border, said the Rev. Rene Castañeda Castro, a local priest who runs the only migrant shelter in Altar.

"I watch the buses pull up, and two or three men approach, arguing prices with the people. It's like an auction," he said.

The Border Patrol has already deployed 110 more agents and its four helicopters along the border, said Customs and Border Protection spokesman Roger Maier.

Sweeping across the desert, agents are deploying into the roughest terrains to the east and west of Tucson, gaining control over sections of the desert, then moving on and leaving agents behind to secure the ground they've controlled.

"It's the old gain control, maintain control, expand control," he said.

The men and women waiting at the church plaza in Altar to be smuggled into the United States haven't heard of any increased security at the border this summer. It's the promise of amnesty if they get to the United States right now that's drawing them.

Their hope and resolve to enter quickly come from the guest worker plan President Bush announced in January. It doesn't really offer amnesty, but it's been perceived that way in Mexico . In fact, Bush's announcement offers only the opportunity to work in the United States for three to six years before eventually applying for citizenship, but it hasn't advanced beyond the announcement stage.

"Bush's offer is adding to the numbers," said Francisco Garcia Aten, the former mayor of Altar who has watched migrants overrun his town as far back as 1998.

"Now was the time to cross. The time is not as hot, and I have an opportunity to work," said Carlos Matias De Leon, 23, who came to Altar from Chiapas, as he climbed into a van headed for Sasabe.

Lupe Rivas, a 22-year-old with family in Florida, agreed.

"They want us to work, don't they? If they didn't, they wouldn't be offering work," she said, sitting on the edge of the plaza.

Mexican officials predict the increase in enforcement in Arizona is going to push the flow of migration out toward the Sonoyta, Sonora, area where the western edges of Pima County meet Mexico and east toward Coahuila, Mexico, south of Big Bend, Texas.

"There is no vigilance in those areas, and I believe they will change their tendencies to cross through Arizona toward where there is little enforcement," said Jorge Luis Mireles Navarro, regional migration delegate in Sonora for Mexico's National Migration Institute.

"Both countries tighten the sides of the border, and the smugglers seek the vulnerable point. They're already looking for other areas to cross."

In Sasabe, Grupo Beta agents say they have counted 56,000 people riding in on the 10- and 15-passenger vans - double last year's numbers, said agency commander Carlos Amador Zozaya Moreno.

"We hope the number will begin to dwindle as the temperatures increase," he said.

Not likely, says Castañeda Castro, the priest in Altar.

"Illegal immigration is growing and growing," he said. "It's like a giant snowball now and you can't stop it."

° Contact reporter Michael Marizco at 573-4213 or [email protected].
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Many local authorities do have these powers, but some, such as Arlington, VA simply refuse to enforce them, stating that "immigration is a federal governemnt problem".

This is nothing new: the majority of Americans want tax code reform too.


True... But I see nothing wrong with local LEO's to assist federal LEO's in matters such as illegal immigrants, because a lot of crimes are committed by illegals. Also, the feds would allocate federal money to local law enforcement agencies to help them, rather than hiring tons more CBP agents which would cost a hell of a lot more.

How is the illegal immigration status in Arlington, VA?

I think a place with a high concentration of illegals, such as Los Angeles and San Diego, should be doing this... if anything, major border cities should voluntarily adhere to helping out the feds in combatting illegal immigrants.
 
The government refuses to enforce immigration laws because they know that in 50 years, there'll be close to 100 million hispanics and mexicans in this country. All of whom will be able to vote, protest in streets, and continually keep popping out babies.

Basically they're telling the american people they've given up and the borders are open for all.

Thank god at least Canada is still made up of "Canadians".
 
Y'know, I'm all for deportation, but what bothers me is that INS seems to only be able to deport the ones that are easy to catch. There's a local wife and mother here who, according to the gov't, is here illegally. As far as she was aware, she wasn't. Tried to renew some legitimate paperwork, don't remember what specifically, and they throw her in jail for immediate deportation. This is a woman who's been in the States since she was a child, is married, baby on the way, and they want to immediately deport her.

It seems asinine to me that we would deport a productive, functioning member of our society when there are so many that deliberately skirt the laws and circumvent the system, and they don't get caught.
 
TheProject said:
Y'know, I'm all for deportation, but what bothers me is that INS seems to only be able to deport the ones that are easy to catch. There's a local wife and mother here who, according to the gov't, is here illegally. As far as she was aware, she wasn't. Tried to renew some legitimate paperwork, don't remember what specifically, and they throw her in jail for immediate deportation. This is a woman who's been in the States since she was a child, is married, baby on the way, and they want to immediately deport her.

It seems asinine to me that we would deport a productive, functioning member of our society when there are so many that deliberately skirt the laws and circumvent the system, and they don't get caught.


That does stink, but if she is her illegaly, she needs to go back....no exceptions.
 
beastboy said:
That does stink, but if she is her illegaly, she needs to go back....no exceptions.

yup. bend the rules for one, you might as well bend it for all of them and just keep them all here.
 
TheProject said:
Y'know, I'm all for deportation, but what bothers me is that INS seems to only be able to deport the ones that are easy to catch. There's a local wife and mother here who, according to the gov't, is here illegally. As far as she was aware, she wasn't. Tried to renew some legitimate paperwork, don't remember what specifically, and they throw her in jail for immediate deportation. This is a woman who's been in the States since she was a child, is married, baby on the way, and they want to immediately deport her.

It seems asinine to me that we would deport a productive, functioning member of our society when there are so many that deliberately skirt the laws and circumvent the system, and they don't get caught.



Illegal = deport. You can't pick and choose who falls under law.

But, I think BICE should establish a priority list, sort of like 'high, medium, low' type. They would get labeled a certain priority via information from local cops. I know LAPD arrests many illegals every day, many of them violent punks, but yet they continue to release these people.

There's only so much the feds can do about illegal aliens, which is why you guys should express your support for the CLEAR and DHS Enhancement Act.
 
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