Names of UGLs that have been busted or closed shop in the last 2 months.

[gymratforlife]

 

[JohnChicago]

You are reading too much into my response. LOL - All I did was cut and paste Schedule III drugs from the DEA website. I could have pasted more but my intent was to zero in on specific scheduling - no more no less - nothing to do with partial truths. Sorry if you read more into my response than intended.

its almost funny how you left out eh first part of the section you just quoted:

`(A) The term `anabolic steroid' means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes--

this is right before all the shit you posted. it is funny how people have to be right sooooo bad that they give partial truths.

 

[JohnChicago]

I not saying - I'm stating what Congress has said. It is not on the schedule III list. I am reposting again for those that missed it earlier in the thread:

To clear up any confusion about human growth hormone - somatropin - scheduling:

Okay, here's the law: human growth hormone - somatropin - is a prescription drug but is NOT on the federal list of controlled substances (found in 21 USC § 812(c)). Congress considered scheduling it along with steroids but chose not to do so. However …

When Congress bootstrapped anabolic steroids into the Controlled Substances Act by passing the Anabolic steroid Control Act of 1990, steroids were already covered under 21 USC § 333(e), a part of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. That law, passed in 1988, made it a felony to distribute steroids (without criminalizing their personal use). When the Control Act effectively took steroids out of that section, Congress filled the void by sticking human growth hormone - somatropin - in there. So, while hGH is not scheduled, 21 USC § 333(e) prohibits the distribution or possession with intent to distribute hGH for any use in humans other than for recognized medical reasons and pursuant to a valid prescription. Violations may be punishable by imprisonment of up to 5 years (10 years if to a person under 18 years).

So are you trying to say that gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is not considered an anabolic steroid?

 

[muffinmaker]

Yes, the fact that nobody can find any link to a case where a mere user was charged with conspiracy without possession, gives me a very good reason to think that the probability of such a thing happening in the future is next to nil.

Similarly the fact that I have never seen a pig fly gives me a very good reason to think the probability of a flying pig in the future is next to nil.

Sure a pig could fly in the future, but it's not something I need to seriously consider. Capice?

come on man,please tell me ur not that stupid. When was the last time u saw 50 labs and over 100 arrests for steroids? NEVER

Capice

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I not saying - I'm stating what Congress has said. It is not on the schedule III list. I am reposting again for those that missed it earlier in the thread:

To clear up any confusion about human growth hormone - somatropin - scheduling:

Okay, here's the law: human growth hormone - somatropin - is a prescription drug but is NOT on the federal list of controlled substances (found in 21 USC § 812(c)). Congress considered scheduling it along with steroids but chose not to do so. However …

When Congress bootstrapped anabolic steroids into the Controlled Substances Act by passing the Anabolic steroid Control Act of 1990, steroids were already covered under 21 USC § 333(e), a part of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. That law, passed in 1988, made it a felony to distribute steroids (without criminalizing their personal use). When the Control Act effectively took steroids out of that section, Congress filled the void by sticking human growth hormone - somatropin - in there. So, while human growth hormone - somatropin - is not scheduled, 21 USC § 333(e) prohibits the distribution or possession with intent to distribute hGH for any use in humans other than for recognized medical reasons and pursuant to a valid prescription. Violations may be punishable by imprisonment of up to 5 years (10 years if to a person under 18 years).

When was this written? There have been ammendments. Look at what I posted. it clearly states and drug or hormone relating to testosterone which was written in 2000ish

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

harleymarley seems to have tunnel vision for some reason. hey muffinmaker keep these posts coming about new busts. They are very interesting.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

You are reading too much into my response. LOL - All I did was cut and paste Schedule III drugs from the DEA website. I could have pasted more but my intent was to zero in on specific scheduling - no more no less - nothing to do with partial truths. Sorry if you read more into my response than intended.

Its just the one I posted was an ammendment to the act in 1990. it sounds as if they have added Gh in that classification IMO. Oh well no biggie just dont get caught with either. lol

 

[JohnChicago]

When was this written? There have been ammendments. Look at what I posted. it clearly states and drug or hormone relating to testosterone which was written in 2000ish

It was written by By Rick Collins, J.D. in 2003. My family doc will rx HGH but not rx any schedule III steroid. I asked why and was told that HGH is simply a prescription drug like Viagra and not scheduled. Problem is that the big pharms have lobbied to ban generic HGH to keep their name brand HGH at sky high prices. It isn't cost effective to buy the brand name at $20 - $30 an IU. That is one of the reasons I went the overseas route for a couple of bucks an IU. Got the detention letter from Food and Drug and I can tell you first hand that it doesn't even remotely look like a seizure letter that you get from Treasury/DEA. As I said before the letter clearly states "you have not broken the law and the HGH is generic and not approved for sale in the United States so the package will be returned to the sender." I've been told that is why HRT clinics have had to switch back to brand name HGH instead of the generic compounding rx kind. The big drug companies win again and the consumer gets screwed.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

come on man,please tell me ur not that stupid. When was the last time u saw 50 labs and over 100 arrests for steroids? NEVER

Capice

More rhetoric from dough boy here. I have heard of lots of labs busted before, and can provide you links. Raw Deal was a just a matter of scale, the next step from up Gear Grinder. Such a crackdown on distributors is not surprising at all. Just a matter of time really, and lots of precedents. On the other hand, it looks you have no precedents for conspiracy without possession for users. If you did, you would not need to resort to meaningless rhetoric.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

None of us are law gurus as you are not either. No one has said it has happenned. It can happen. Why are you arguing this? it is law. They can get you on it if they choose to. The keyowrd is if the choose to.

No, I think in many cases it cannot happen. I suspect that is because of Wharton's Rule which is an exception to conspiracy. Wharton's Rule says that you cannot be charged with conspiracy if the crime by its nature must involve two people - A simple drug deal has to involve two people - you and the dealer. Feel free to look it up. Now, if you got together with friends and conspired to buy, then it might be possible to get you on conspiracy, but still highly unlikely.

Oh, and just because people can choose to do something isn't really that significant. George Bush could choose to become a socialist, too, but it's not something I need to seriously consider.