MSM for knee inflammation?? karma for all

[dzuljas]

i got tendonitis in my right knee and it has been a fuckin pain for the last 4 weeks. I have been icing like crazy and I am not able to squat seems like it flares up from deads and my track workouts. Im taking glucosamine chondroitin, i heard that msm is also good as an anti-inflammatory......anything else i could take??karma for all

 

[bseemba2001]

I would try taking Advil several times per day. Take couple of weeks from heavy leg lifting, and try to stay away from leg extensions. What ever you do, do not let your orthopedist give you cortisone injections (does not do anything, but hurts like hell).

 

[Zyglamail]

i got tendonitis in my right knee and it has been a fuckin pain for the last 4 weeks. I have been icing like crazy and I am not able to squat seems like it flares up from deads and my track workouts. Im taking glucosamine chondroitin, i heard that msm is also good as an anti-inflammatory......anything else i could take??karma for all

First off, inflamation IS NOT your enemy!! Yes it does cause pain, but it also speeds the healing process. Glucosomine and MSM are NOT anti-inflamatories, they are some of the building blocks of tendon/ligament tissue.

Inflamation is paramount in triggering the healing cascade that will cause these types of tissues, primarily fibroblasts and chrondrocytes that primarily have very low levels of replication, to expidite the healing process.

For example, if fibroblasts were not encouraged to replicate they can take a year to a year and a half to heal on their own every time they are injured. Unfortunatly far to many people(specifically doctors) view pain and inflamation as the enemy when in essence inflamation is the key to faster recovery.

Look at the injury above, assume it is a subluxation and tendons/ligaments are stretched and joint laxity is present. Cells in the tendons/ligaments are damaged, cell walls ruptur and in turn the arachidonic acid within is released. This combined with other factors like glycosylated protiens attract granulocytes and fibroblasts to the injured area. Granulocytes include macrophages and nuetrophiles which clean up damaged debris. The healing cascade continues(beyond what I elaborated to above) and the normal 300-500 day half life of the cells in tendons/ligaments is drastically reduced. What happens when you load up on anti-inflamatories is you interfere with the normal healing process and sacrifice healing for comfort leaving yourself in a weakened state and more prone to future injury. Many docs proclaime that anti-inflamatory agents are the key to recovery, they claim long term detrimental effects and this simply is not true. The reality of the matter is it is not inflamation which causes long term joint damage like arthritis, but long term joint laxity. When the body can not heal injured tendons/ligaments it resorts to other means to try and bolster the sloppy joint, often times by building up additional calcium to take up the slack from not only the stretched tendons/ligaments but from the eventual cartiledge damage that follows.

The ideal way to handle tendon/ligament injuries is to allow inflamantion to do its job. If its not happening fast enough then such things as ART or prolotherapy can be used to help speed the healing process. Ice, anti-inflamatories, cortizone etc are all pouring fuel on the fire.


One thing about athletes in general is that they are so quick to put down the medical community for their lack of knowledge when it comes to exercise, diet and AAS use yet when they have an injury the blindly follow their advice to load up on anti-inflamatories.

 

[dzuljas]

interesting read.....so inflammation is good for healing, does ultrasound help heal the tissue also?

 

[RADAR]

i got tendonitis in my right knee and it has been a fuckin pain for the last 4 weeks. I have been icing like crazy and I am not able to squat seems like it flares up from deads and my track workouts. Im taking glucosamine chondroitin, i heard that msm is also good as an anti-inflammatory......anything else i could take??karma for all

This helps me alot--from QVC pharmacy.."Stop Pain" it a tropical spray,also fortified with glusomanine & MSM but it penetrates deep into the ache and stops the hurt!!!!


RADAR

 

[tapoutm]

here is some stuff that I heard about by a doc that used to coach the freestyle USA wrestling team and he went to europe and found that the german wrestlers were taking this stuff and their team was not as hurt as the other teams. I took it for a while and had some good results but it is not over night you have to give it some time. I am going to post a description of it so you can see what it say's about it.

Also, I have some knee problems as well ice is not good to do all the time after about 2-3 weeks you need to start heating it before you work out (15 min.) of heat and then ice it when your done.

Here is the description "Many illnesses, and nearly all injuries can cause inflammation and cellular damage in our bodies. Wobenzym N provides nutritional support for the body's repair mechanisms. European studies have shown that Wobenzym not only supports the body's natural repair processes, but also appears to accelerate the process. Enzymes help to restore and promote microcirculation and at the same time assist the body in the removal of "fibrin mantles" at the various sites of inflammation. In this way Wobenzym N supports normal inflammation levels within the body."

Good luck!!!

 

[The Terminator]

I take MSM for joint problems (and have for over 5 years now). My daily intake is 12-16 grams/day spread out between 3-4 doses...

 

[Bonkme2]

I have some knee problems during softball season. It usually means that by the end of the season, I have to give up on the squats for a while, because my knee is too overworked. With a lot of warmup and some neoprene to keep it warm during and after the games, I can keep it together nicely.

For me, it usually means taking it easy on the knee for a few days or weeks to give it some rest. My wife, on the other hand, has terrible knees. Screwed them up when she was a kid. When I got her lifting, she couldn't handle a squat or leg extension with ANY weight. For the last few months she's been taking some glucosomine and MSM, and now she can handle some leg extensions with some moderate weight, so at least it helps a little.

 

[Xizor]

I've heard u say this b4 zyg and since I stoped anti-inflamatories my wrists has gotten better. You gotta listen to ur body, and since I have weak wrists workin out 4+times(gonna change to 3days) a week doesnt simply work very well at all. I'm gonna incorporate light exercise weeks to make sure I dont get injured, also need a lot of warmup and stretchin. Forced reps and negatives is a no-no for me

 

[ganabol]

IMO glucosamine chondroitin and MSM are one of the few supplements that actually work.

Creatine is the other