Men have NO RIGHTS.

[velvett]

Do you think that these welfare mommies are taking responsiblity for their actions by using his attitude as a motivational factor to live off other taxes?

Generally no.
One child - perhaps.
But that is not usually the case, we're usually looking at 3, 4, 5 kids and ironically enough - several fathers.

That truly repulses me - for so many different reasons. (That's a whole new thread entirely.)

Here's a thought - Christine Brinkley has popped out 1-2 children per man she's been with (I think she's on her third now) - had she not have the benefit of wealth what would that make her?

 

[dballer]

Christine Brinkley has popped out 1-2 children per man she's been with (I think she's on her third now) - had she not have the benefit of wealth what would that make her?

One VERY HOT welfare Mom...


or


Available!!!!!

 

[bunnymt]

Hey what happened here? Everyone's gone? Please, please don't leave me!!
j/k

 

[Trance]

I agee.. things are not always fair. And I don't think women sitting around and saying "too bad for you" is the "responsible thing to do.."

Velvet" I believe that Trance stated that his attitude was the cause for so many welfare mommies.

Do you think that these welfare mommies are taking responsiblity for their actions by using his attitude as a motivational factor to live off other taxes?

You completely misconstrued my point. I didn't say make that statement to agree or sympathize with the fact that women are having babies to get welfare. Whole 'nother thread there...

What I meant is that men who refuse to pay support do NOTHING for the economy OR the taxpayers, let alone their children. Many broke young mothers are forced to turn to welfare due to the fact that they cannot afford to pay for daycare while working in a low-paying job.

Is it right? No. Do I think that some single moms don't take the initiative to do everything in their power to be self-sufficient? Sure, in some cases. But sometimes it's unavoidable. I became seriously ill while pregnant. I couldn't work. I had to receive food stamps for a while, and go to a free health care clinic. It was demeaning. It was horrifying. But I did it, because I had no choice. All the while, my son's father was resting on his laurels, making 60K per year.

However, it's not a matter of how you *want* to live. It's a matter of doing what you need to do to survive and take good care of your child.

I don't like receiving child support, in a way. I'd like to take those checks and throw them back in his face and say, "Screw you, I don't need your money." But the truth is that I do.

It's not easy to take someone to court for support. It's not easy to ask for money from a man you fear. It's not easy to know that your child's father hates both you and him for no logical reason.

But that's the way it is.

 

[bunnymt]

I wish people would quit bringing morality into this debate.

Morality does not have a place within our legislation.

I am not saying that people should not have morals..I have always fought to the contrary.



However, laws should be based upon ethics. That is equality for both men and women

I have agreed with you thus far but I have to call you on this...ethics is the study of the standards of right and wrong dealing with moral conduct. The two: morality and ethics, are directly intertwined. It is about morality, any way we look at it. About what is right and what is wrong. Thank you.l

 

[bunnymt]

I also refuse to accept the fact that it should be up to the woman to decide what happens to the baby..

If I am responsible for the baby after it is born..I should have the responsiblilty to the babies health before birth as well.

you are 100 percent correct. I could not agree with you more.

 

[spentagn]

Thank God what is that three people now.

Four.

 

[spentagn]

Trance, in regard to your initial post, congratulations. My (now) wife and I faced the same predicament, only at 18. My 18 month old daughter is the best thing in the world.

 

[Drizzt]

THanks for the great discussion today people I sent her the link and she was greatly suprised at the responses that this topic garnered. I might have had bouts of immaturity during the thread and for that I apoligze but I think I was right in everything I said and stick to it 100% thanks to all that participated and special thanks to dgreen as for the longest time my only ally in the storm =p. Much love to ya brotha at least I know someone shares my state of mind on this.

Drizz

 

[toga22]

The point here is about legislation and it is unfair..The laws should change to reflect equality to both men and women...not feel sorry for women both before during and after pregnancy..

I am going to try an keep this objective.....

Under current laws, men do not have a fair say in the matters of an unborn child. Since the child is 50% theirs they should be given the right to make their decisions known and stongly considered.....However, It probably should be looked at from the view of what is best for the "unheard" voice...meaning that of the child.....

But then what? If the men decide they don't want to partake in the life of their unborn child, what would happen next? Possibly a one time fee or "payoff"? What if 15 years down the line he changes his mind? I believe if not child-support that some compensation will always be present....

And on the other side of the coin....if the men want the baby and the woman doesn't?....Shouldn't she have to carry the baby to term, with the man taking full-responsibility after conception? In terms of what is best for the child, it is better than the alternative

There are so many other factors to consider as well, like the right of the grandparents.....for example in Drizzt's case. He NEVER wants kids (so he has stated)....if his parents know this fully, do they have the right to step in and support their grandchild? And what about medical information, or things that may effect the child or parents down the road? What if they needed a kidney transplanet...or are discovered to have a life-threatening disease?

I am rambling a bit, lot of thoughts coming to mind at once....but I do see both sides to the situation. And I would have to say that the current laws are not always appropriate for the many situations that arise....

~toga