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Burning_Inside

Burning_Inside

Elite Mentor
The Architect in Matrix

I had absolutely no clue what that guy was talking about. I knew what the words meant that he was takling about singularly, but when they were all put together and hurled at me at 900 MPH , I just have no idea.

IN fact, all i could think about at that time was my sig file pic
 
I guess he is the "programmer" and basically history repeats itself as Neo is the 6th "one" to come see him and do the same thing the other 5 did, and he did, he saved the girl and Zion was destroyed and rebuilt again.....except this time the girl lived.
 
yeah, I really need to hear that part again...

I remember him saying something about "this is the 6th time we've destroyed Zion..." but it was really confusing. So the Oracle was a program designed to help with choice??? I don't know what her purpose was, but she is definitely a program.

But hey, how was that Keymaker?! He was pretty funny! He ran and ran with Morpheous and Trinity busting their ass to catch up. She makes me want to ride a motorcycle!--sorry, got off track there!

Then Neo, stopping those machines in the "real world"--or was it just another Matrix? hmmmm....this movie has me perplexed! Maybe we'll see it again!
 
Bottom line is, the Architect stated that the REAL WORLD as Neo and Morpheus thought it too be, was just another level of the matrix created to control the very few people like Neo who refused to believe the original matrix. So in order to keep them in line, another matrix (the so-called REAL WORLD), was created.
 
really? I must've missed that...but then again, he was so wordy and long winded...and it was the 11:15 PM show!
 
Re: The Architect in Matrix

Burning_Inside said:
I had absolutely no clue what that guy was talking about. I knew what the words meant that he was takling about singularly, but when they were all put together and hurled at me at 900 MPH , I just have no idea.

IN fact, all i could think about at that time was my sig file pic
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I didnt either.. but I figured that was becuase of 3 martinis :)
 
HULKSTER said:
Bottom line is, the Architect stated that the REAL WORLD as Neo and Morpheus thought it too be, was just another level of the matrix created to control the very few people like Neo who refused to believe the original matrix. So in order to keep them in line, another matrix (the so-called REAL WORLD), was created.
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uh... go see it again....
 
HULKSTER said:
Bottom line is, the Architect stated that the REAL WORLD as Neo and Morpheus thought it too be, was just another level of the matrix created to control the very few people like Neo who refused to believe the original matrix. So in order to keep them in line, another matrix (the so-called REAL WORLD), was created.
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No, I'm thinking there's some kind of other twist here. The Architect gave him one of two choices, either select the 16 men and women to populate the next Zion, or go save Trinity as the expense of all Mankind being exterminated.

He went after Trinity and obviously they weren't all erradicated, so something doesn't add up.................and what about all the Agent Smith's???

Did you watch the previews of Matrix Revolutions after the end of the credits. It showed Neo and the original Agent Smith fighting, they where surrounded by two giant rows of Smith clones.

So maybe the Architect thinks it's the creator of the Matrix, but in actuality he's not the top of the food chain...............ahhh, who the fuck knows. All I know is Smith is gonna fuck it all up somehow.
 
gsxr1000 said:


No, I'm thinking there's some kind of other twist here. The Architect gave him one of two choices, either select the 16 men and women to populate the next Zion, or go save Trinity as the expense of all Mankind being exterminated.

He went after Trinity and obviously they weren't all erradicated, so something doesn't add up.................and what about all the Agent Smith's???

Did you watch the previews of Matrix Revolutions after the end of the credits. It showed Neo and the original Agent Smith fighting, they where surrounded by two giant rows of Smith clones.

So maybe the Architect thinks it's the creator of the Matrix, but in actuality he's not the top of the food chain...............ahhh, who the fuck knows. All I know is Smith is gonna fuck it all up somehow.
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Neo probably also figured, "What is the point of re-starting a cycle for the 7th time that will do nothing but continue to enslave the human race?" Seriously, Neo could rebuild Zion a hundred times, but no matter how many reincarnations he goes through, how would it help Neo defeat the AI?
 
This begs the question: What, then, happens when a person in the first tier of the Matrix supposedly "dies"?
 
HULKSTER said:


Neo probably also figured, "What is the point of re-starting a cycle for the 7th time that will do nothing but continue to enslave the human race?" Seriously, Neo could rebuild Zion a hundred times, but no matter how many reincarnations he goes through, how would it help Neo defeat the AI?
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To prevent the extinction of humanity I should think. Why would Neo want to take the responsibility for wiping out the whole human race?

Interesting though how he mentioned to the Architect that the machines needed humans for energy, and the Architect said that they were prepared for an alternative plan should human existence be wiped out. If that were the case, why wouldn't they have wiped out humans to begin with.

Something definately doesn't add up, so that's why I think there is still a major plot twist waiting to happen, like a higher power greater than the Architect running the show.
 
This might be stating the obvious, but, doesn't the architect have to be a computer program also? If he were human, and the creator of the matrix, wouldn't he have been deceased? Didn't he say something to the effect of the matrix had been around longer than Neo could comprehend and that he was the 6th "the one".

Hulkster - interesting. I didn't pick up on the real world being another matrix of the level if thats what he said. Damn, I need to see his little speech again.
 
I think in response to the two choices the architect gave neo, rather than make the decisions of the other 5 , neo destroyed the mainframe. Hence, the building blowing up. I also think that the anamole of neo in the programming of the matrix represents something that the matrix accounts for. However, I think with the destruction of agent smith in the first matrix and the destruction of the main frame in the second, Neo has gotten part of the matrix embedded in him. Kind of like having part of the program written into his being. I think that in the third neo and agent smith will have to kill eachother for the matrix to die. Agent Smith said something about the two being bonded, im not sure about the exacts but this is what i got from it. Also since Zion is a matrix within a matrix, i think Neo is just starting to realize his powers against the sentinels , thus being able to stop them.
 
AustinTX said:


uh... go see it again....
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No that's exactly what he said.

Here's a post from another board that explains it pretty well.

Neo is not in a coma. He is still conected to the matrix. well matrix #2. Trinitry and the rest are in the matrix #1

If you listen to the architect he said there was a slim few who could not accept any matrix. They had to fight for freedom no matter what. Well the real world is matrix #1. Its a sublevel for the .001% who fight.

when the sentinels are coming, neo stops them realizing he is part of the .001% who fights and he is in a differnent matrix so he uses his powers.

what the directors meant to do, is basically forshadow what is to come from matrix 3, that is when people will realize that zion is actually a component of the matrix, not of the real world

The the oracle asked neo in matrix 1, do you believe in fate, neo said no, and believed he is in control of what his future will be, which basically means non of them are actually free, hence the ability for agent smith to shift matrices, they never left the matrix, and in this point in time they are about to realize that they are still part of the program

My question now is I am begining to think that neo himself is just another program, doing his job... Makes you think.
 
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Stangfriik said:




No that's exactly what he said.

Here's a post from another board that explains it pretty well.

Neo is not in a coma. He is still conected to the matrix. well matrix #2. Trinitry and the rest are in the matrix #1

If you listen to the architect he said there was a slim few who could not accept any matrix. They had to fight for freedom no matter what. Well the real world is matrix #1. Its a sublevel for the .001% who fight.

when the sentinels are coming, neo stops them realizing he is part of the .001% who fights and he is in a differnent matrix so he uses his powers.

what the directors meant to do, is basically forshadow what is to come from matrix 3, that is when people will realize that zion is actually a component of the matrix, not of the real world

The the oracle asked neo in matrix 1, do you believe in fate, neo said no, and believed he is in control of what his future will be, which basically means non of them are actually free, hence the ability for agent smith to shift matrices, they never left the matrix, and in this point in time they are about to realize that they are still part of the program

My question now is I am begining to think that neo himself is just another program, doing his job... Makes you think.
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So all the humans are still in that jello shit and comatose?
 
i dunno, this whole thing kinda aggravates me. I can't stand not being able to comprehend a story thoroughly cause It's too complicated and riddles with so much "inside" secrets that only the creators of the story know and they tease you with it.

They need an official FAQ of what the Architect said on the Matrix website.
 
gsxr1000 said:
Interesting though how he mentioned to the Architect that the machines needed humans for energy, and the Architect said that they were prepared for an alternative plan should human existence be wiped out. If that were the case, why wouldn't they have wiped out humans to begin with.
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correction, he said that they were prepared to deal with different levels of human existence...to me, that means that as long as the humans can produce energy, that's all that matters to them.

I think I'll sneak in a tape recorder if I see it again, so I can catch what the Architect says!

He kept saying that there was something different about this version of Neo...foreshadowing that something different will happen this time around.

I also heard on the radio this morning that Matrix Revolution is one long battle. The reason they are putting it out so soon is because it isn't actually another sequel, but part 2 of this one. Whatever it ends up being, I am really looking forward to seeing it.
 
Help me comprehend MATRIX RELOADED

Hi ppl, I'm going to watch Matrix Reloaded this Saturday (Can't wait), with about 20 friends.
I've read from threads about the complexity and incomprehensibitlity of the storyline or certain scenes etc.

Anyway, I was wondering those who are well conserved or the "matrix experts", please tell me what I need to look out for, or explain me the scenes that are going to be complex.

As half of my mates are going to be thick as f**** and they will be totally dumbfounded.

Come on ppl, help.
 
The plot to me was totally unexpected, I am still unable to understand it, mainly because so much is unexplained and the world as you know it in Matrix has been turned up-side down.
 
If you catch all the shit that The Architect says and you actually understand it, then you have one up on me.

Post on here after you see it and tell me what you thought.

It's a fun movie though. You'll probably like it.
 
Listen closely to the conversation Agent Smith has with Neo about "purpose."

Listen closely to the conversation with the Oracle.

Listen closely to the conversation with the French dude and his wife.

And as others above have mentioned listen very, very closely to the Architect.
 
casavant said:
If you catch all the shit that The Architect says and you actually understand it, then you have one up on me.

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Basically the whole search for "The One" happens once every few years. The One always ends up facing the architect at the same time, and then The One is given a choice: choose a few males and females to repopulate Zion, or deny it and have every person in Zion killed.
 
QUOTE]Basically the whole search for "The One" happens once every few years. The One always ends up facing the architect at the same time, and then The One is given a choice: choose a few males and females to repopulate Zion, or deny it and have every person in Zion killed.[/QUOTE]

So what does the ONE in this case choose to do?

Yeah, Everyone I spoke to has said the conversation with the architect was definitely grammatically challenging to say the least.
Shall i take a dictionary with me! LOL
 
Enter the Matrix

I finished the entire game in 6 hours. Thought it was great. The part where you control the ship is no fun and gay. Overall, a nicely thought through game.

Anybody else played this game ?
 
No...I wasn't sure if it was going to be any good, so I didn't buy it.

You say it's worth the 50 bucks though, huh?
 
I wouldn't say it's worth 50 bucks. I rented it and was done with it on first day. It's a great game , amazing effects , different plot from the movies. It's very interesting if you are a total Matrix fan; however, I wouldn't pay 50 bucks for it.

It should be cheap on ebay pretty soon.
 
I understood it and 99% of what the Architect said.

The Architect merely used large words that most people dont hear on a day-to-day basis. If you have a vocabulary/smarts, you'll get pretty much everything he's saying, but It probably went right over the heads of 50% or more of the audience.
 
Paulos said:
I'm downloading it now, have about half of it done.
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Where are you downloading it from?

ps: don't ask me to show you my boobies....I won't do it. Thanks in advance.
 
its definitely not worth 50 bucks.

it is worth a rental though.

once you get the hang of the controls and combo system its a lot of fun.
 
The Republican said:


Basically the whole search for "The One" happens once every few years. The One always ends up facing the architect at the same time, and then The One is given a choice: choose a few males and females to repopulate Zion, or deny it and have every person in Zion killed.
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I think there was something with the red and blue doors too. ALthough i forget which color pills corresponded to what, i think it was that the path of normalcy for The ONE is to go and repopulate Zion, and play their game. Neo chose the other path.... perhaps seein through their game.

I could be totally off base here, but maybe pretty close.
 
Burning_Inside said:
i dunno, this whole thing kinda aggravates me. I can't stand not being able to comprehend a story thoroughly cause It's too complicated and riddles with so much "inside" secrets that only the creators of the story know and they tease you with it.

They need an official FAQ of what the Architect said on the Matrix website.
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I agree 100%!

Whats the fucking point of watching movie, which neither you or your friends understand?

And you have to resort to "posting on message boards online" to somewhat understand the truth.

Even after that you still don't understand since your faced with a gazillion different possible solutions.

Then you have to listen to people argue on whos point of view is better.

This makes you more confused.

BTW I did not see the 1st matrix, and the only reason why I went to see number 2 was because it had a Ducati 996 in it.

If it didnt have a crotch rocket in it, I would have avoided it like the first one.

I dont give a crap about the plot since its unrealistic. Also the reason why I dont like sci-fi, since its UNREALISTIC!

What if the matrix continues to 10 movies?

Will you put yourself through the stress of wondering what the fuck the movie was about, ten more times?

I surely wont, and if the next matrix does not have a motorcycle in it, I wont see it.

BTW I have to go take a shit.
 
HS Lifter said:


I agree 100%!

Whats the fucking point of watching movie, which neither you or your friends understand?

And you have to resort to "posting on message boards online" to somewhat understand the truth.

Even after that you still don't understand since your faced with a gazillion different possible solutions.

Then you have to listen to people argue on whos point of view is better.

This makes you more confused.

BTW I did not see the 1st matrix, and the only reason why I went to see number 2 was because it had a Ducati 996 in it.

If it didnt have a crotch rocket in it, I would have avoided it like the first one.

I dont give a crap about the plot since its unrealistic. Also the reason why I dont like sci-fi, since its UNREALISTIC!

What if the matrix continues to 10 movies?

Will you put yourself through the stress of wondering what the fuck the movie was about, ten more times?

I surely wont, and if the next matrix does not have a motorcycle in it, I wont see it.

BTW I have to go take a shit.
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You must be gifted. :rolleyes:
 
HS Lifter said:
Ela re malaka!

Ti kanis?
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Emai kala.



Honestly, I feel badly about speaking languages other than that which is the language of the majority in a given area. When in Greece, I speak Greek. However, while here, I speak English. I feel it serves to avoid separating myself from others, as I already am much too internalized as it stands.

One of my English professors spoke over 12 languages fluently. He was involved in Naval Intelligence. He felt it was wrong to speak a different language in the presence of those who could not understand it, and that it would seem as if you you are talking about those people secretly. And, face it, often enough, we are doing just that.




"Baoh, chill out." -HS Lifter
 
It's a movie...I like it because it isn't brainless (which I don't mind either) and it makes you think. Even if it fucks you up mentally for a little while, it is stimulating none the less.

Then again I'm one of those crazy people who always ask why...very analytical.

Did I already say it's a movie?
 
Stangfriik said:


My question now is I am begining to think that neo himself is just another program, doing his job... Makes you think.
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yep. this is exactly my thought. The architect referred to neo as the sum of an irreconcilable anomaly remaining after the construction of the matrix. Which makes one wonder, how can neo be human if his genesis was directly conceived by the mathematical leftovers that coded the matrix?

Its a good parallel and fits in nicely with the subplot with agent smith. Agent smith is just looking for purpose. Just another sentient AI program operating independently of the singular consciousness that’s looking for purpose. Just like neo.

They’re both a digital creation who are searching for deeper meaning within the matrix besides their intended or partially intended function. Which leads to the paradoxical conclusion of an AI sentient program, confined within the digital reality of the matrix - the very pseudo reality that’s holding the human race hostage - which ultimately defeats humanities adversary and emancipates human beings from AI enslavement.


That’s what im thinking at the moment. Took me a little while to make the connection between Zion and the architects (difficult to follow at times) monologue. But yea.

Im thinking the 'human' saboteur whose a citizen of Zion is really an AI program intended to undermine human resistance against the machines during the last battle in Reloaded. The architect mentioned the machines, or the AI had become exceedingly efficient in destroying Zion. But that assumption leads to some inconsistencies. Such as, why did the eventual saboteur previously attempt to assassinate neo but reconsidered at the last moment?
 
collegiateLifter said:



I think there was something with the red and blue doors too. ALthough i forget which color pills corresponded to what, i think it was that the path of normalcy for The ONE is to go and repopulate Zion, and play their game. Neo chose the other path.... perhaps seein through their game.

I could be totally off base here, but maybe pretty close.
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the blue pill would have returned neo to the matrix.
 
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