This thread caused me to skip out on work early
just sayin
and there are no societal costs to marijuana smoking. The argument that marijuana smokers are sitting at home leeching off of govt. care is ridiculous. Those people would be huffing paint or 92 octane from a sock and doing the exact same thing. At least the marijuana is keeping them inside..The societal benefits of legalizing marijuana far exceed the costs. The reason they don't legalize it is because it would help with so many different aspects of the human condition who's current dysfunction is a major source of industry/profit. That's all. Alcohol is legal because you can't grow coors light in your backyard and it leads to so much misery and dysfunction all of which there are prepared remedies and treatments for that are also a major source of profit. That's just the way the world is. None of us have each others best interests in my mind, that world is long gone.
10 pages and a great topic. Very good.
As for weed ..... I found it very addictive and dropped it
from my life very quickly. It is sad to see it making
a come back among teens.
10 pages and a great topic. Very good.
As for weed ..... I found it very addictive and dropped it
from my life very quickly. It is sad to see it making
a come back among teens.
lmao @ "atleast indica strains"
your bumble bee buzzing high amateur ass wouldn't know any difference other than what you google

No, you're right of course we should all strive to become 'pros' when it comes to weed - stoners and dealers since we all know such prestigious occupations represent the epitome of success.
Now how about you put down your joints and aim to contribute to humanity and your countries economy in some productive way rather than just wasting away lighting up with your degenerate friends and trying to rebel like a group of hotheaded teens in a pitiful attempt to look 'kewl'.
Also those who think 'weed is safe and completely natural man. Herbs don't kill people. It's a gift from mother nature maaaaan' are fucking deluded plain and simple. If you think mother nature can do no wrong then please go eat a bowl of nightshade and hemlock.
First of all weed has been known to cause cardiovascular related deaths in those with existing medical conditions. So it isn't safe for everyone.
Although it isn't chemically addictive. Many people become addicted to the physical effects of cannabis, and can potentially ruin lives the same way other recreational drugs do.
And it isn't even natural. Incinerating a plant material and inhaling the toxic fumes is anything but natural and carries virtually all the same smoke related dangers that smoking tobacco does.
The morons who think big pharma are out to get them are nothing more than conspiracy theorists and are probably the same people who think the rothschilds are trying to enslave the world or a NWO is coming lol or whatever other nonsense is popular atm. Perhaps cutting back on the weed would help your deal with this paranoia.
Get a grip. There is nothing special about THC. If being used for medicinal perposes there are much more potent, clinically proven conventional alternatives out there which can and do improve lives.
I find it a little amusing how people always complain about conventional medicine and prescription medication until they, or a loved one are in dire need for some.

Amazing articulate for a 17 year old, isn't heI'm really starting to like this guy
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Amazing articulate for a 17 year old, isn't he![]()
I must confess, this is the first time I've heard a 17 year old use the phrase "Big Pharma" in a post.

Amazing articulate for a 17 year old, isn't he![]()
I must confess, this is the first time I've heard a 17 year old use the phrase "Big Pharma" in a post.
lolol he must watch cable news a lot to get his political/cultural buzzwords

That's your logic? Because the gov't wants to see their own children killed drunk behind the wheel and become alcohol addicts? Oh yes, crack and AIDS was created to kill blacks to I assume
FYI, you can micro brew beer or any type of alcohol in any basement or backyard far easier than cannibus.
The reason alcohol and tobacco are legal is because it's been a social stone in our country dating back to our forefathers who built and made the foundation laws of America.
.They are aware of the real effects of marijuana and were partially accustomed to it growing up
lol
He goes from "Mr. look at me complain about my typical first time side effects of using weed"

weed is so cheap right now
being harvest season and all...2bills for a donut and it's primo
What kiddies don't realize is that their stupendous use of alcohol in college get's paid for in full by the time they're in their 40's and 50's. People's prodigious alcohol use in college leads to or contributes to every kind of degenerative disorder possible....including aging. And yes, it's very very very big business.
tssk tsskcorrection, you can moonshine some bullshit in your basement but the average nigga will not be making no decent beer in his/her basement any damn time soon. You can grow some decent normal weed in your backyard without any botanical knowledge whatsoever. Is it prime? obviously not. You have to be a brewmaster to make decent beer in your basement. And then you have to think about quantity. To make the expense worth your while you're going to have to make a shitload of it. See where this is going? All things being legal, I would choose growing a handful of plants in my backyard than brewing up some beer in my basement. One is ALOT FUCKING LESS WORK than the other.
than why was it made illegal in the 20's? It became legal again when the coors and busch families convinced the govt. to tax it. The rest is history. Big cash cow for the govt.
And legalizing another smokable form of carcinogens wouldn't lead to future respiratory problems? alcohol kills more than tobacco? Liver failure and drunk manslaughters tops cancer
1. Homegrown takes 4=5 months harvest vs Homebrew 2 weeks batch
2. Homegrown male vs female plants pollinating = ruined 4 month crop vs. Homebrew a bad batch, gee make another
3. Homegrown 3-6 oz off one plant (depending), limited space planting vs Homebrew unlimited room, multiple barrels at a time (liquor, brew, wine)
4. Homegrown smell of weed heavily lingers, neighbors calling police, every animal eats marijuana, bugs killing plants, hard to keep PH levels right, to dry, to hot, to cold = dead 4 month harvest. Wait another yr till next round Vs. Wait another 2 weeks for next batch, wowzer
5. Germinating and cloning is difficult, picking out male plants early is difficult, tipping right is difficult vs. Add water, malt, hops, stir, yeast, ferment GEE WIZ
6. Penalty for growing weed vs penalty for homebrew, rhetorical
And that's just going on outdoor issues
American tree is mainly grown indoors or greenhouse hydro, meaning 24/7 electricity (light/heat/humid/temp control) the expense of that compared to churning barrels of liquid isn't even close
[/QUOTE]Modern history, weed will get taxed if legalized also. Contradicting your logic here
I just got done watching a really intriguing moving entitled "The American War on Drugs" Talk about food for thought.
Basically, preventing organic drugs (naturally occurring, like marijuana, mushrooms) from being legal in a very twisted way is a huge business that creates profits in numerous sectors ... and they're not talking some south American dictators, but good old American capitalists: American Drug War: The Last White Hope - War on Drugs
You don't get it. It's closing an economic gate, so to speak. Preventing "organic" drugs from being accessed by the general public just creates a larger market for synthetic drugs. For example, in Amersterdam they've never heard of crystal meth.Looking at it from an economic and social perspective: increased profits likely means increased employment rates. And increased employment likely means greater standards of living for countless families.
I'm HAPPY organic drugs are banned if it means greater livelihoods for many families. I think it's very twisted to potentially take a hot meal off a hard-working families plate, just so some fucking new age hippie can get one more shroom high.
You don't get it. It's closing an economic gate, so to speak. Preventing "organic" drugs from being accessed by the general public just creates a larger market for synthetic drugs. For example, in Amersterdam they've never heard of crystal meth.
If the war on drugs in America ended tomorrow it would put more than 2 billion a year back into the economy that is currently being used to "fight the war" and feed/house non violent drug offenders.
It's the same situation as what happened back with prohibition. People didn't stop drinking, they just drank poison and the govt. spent money (which they could have been collecting in taxes) chasing the bootleggers.
If they cared so much about protecting our health, why don't they make cigarettes, which kill about 1/2 a million people in this country alone, illegal?
alpha-male = scotsman's little brother
Wrong there's no way some half-pint limey prick is related to me.
Besides I'm the youngest in my family.
Cheers,
Scotsman

There is no money to be made from MJ or shrooms because they can't be patented and therefore can't be monopolised. They are so simple to grow that in some parts of the world like india they're actually considered to be pests.
If legalized people would merely start growing there own, and it would prove to be devastating to the alcohol and tobacco industries and will results in increased unemployment rates. And considering our current economic climate, I think that's something we can do without. Such a major blow may just result in a collapse.
And let's not forget about the social implications. I'd rather not have to worry about the authorities turning up stoned everytime I feel the need to dial 999.
Of course they don't really take the general publics health into question regarding this and rightfully so. At ages 16 and 18 people should be able to decide what is good for them and what isn't. If they decide to use either substance irresponsibly, well then that's their problem.
Of course there are the ethcial issues surrounding the tobacco and alcohol industries. But that's a different story.
There is no money to be made from MJ
Wrong there's no way some half-pint limey prick is related to me.
Besides I'm the youngest in my family.
Cheers,
Scotsman
Haha, well I'm actually of indian origin so I don't know if I can be classed as a 'limey' per se
Although I suppose I could stop acting like a little bitch all the time.
Weed is a joke and I like the punks that do it so much and they sound like fuckin burnouts...nice lives
You don't get it. It's closing an economic gate, so to speak. Preventing "organic" drugs from being accessed by the general public just creates a larger market for synthetic drugs. For example, in Amersterdam they've never heard of crystal meth.
If the war on drugs in America ended tomorrow it would put more than 2 billion a year back into the economy that is currently being used to "fight the war" and feed/house non violent drug offenders.
It's the same situation as what happened back with prohibition. People didn't stop drinking, they just drank poison and the govt. spent money (which they could have been collecting in taxes) chasing the bootleggers.
If they cared so much about protecting our health, why don't they make cigarettes, which kill about 1/2 a million people in this country alone, illegal?
Think about how many people already have diminished ambition due to pot. Even the most miniscule decrease in productivity would crush that 0.0145% gain hundreds of times over.
There are plenty of people with "diminished ambition" that don't do drugs. People with diminished ambition will do drugs "because" of their depression or whatever. The diminshed ambition does not come from the drug. I know too many people who smoked their way through difficult degree's to beleive that propaganda anymore. You're just regurgitating talking points, not giving an opinion based on personal experience. The stress reduction benefits alone make pot worth it's weight in gold.
I personally don't smoke pot because it maked me a Mo.
I personally don't smoke pot because it maked me a Mo
weed thread = made + baked = maked![]()
Are you stoned right now? Do you need medical attention? OMG this answers so many questions and creates so many new questions.
I'm gonna go do a study to see if weed makes you more vulnerable to giving-up the o-ring.
Is it the MJ that makes you give-up the o-ring?
No homo.
this resides over my O-ring
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Fixed.
Fixed.
Forgot to allow commercial vehicles rob
Forgot to allow commercial vehicles rob
I personally don't smoke pot because it makes me not want to do shit for 1-2 days after I use it. It's a massive demotivator for me.
As for other people, everyone knows someone who lost a year in college or who lost several years in real life with a wake-and-bake lifestyle.
And how can you miss the evidence? There are studies everywhere. Here are four that show pot to have an adverse effect on developing brains:
Block, R.I., and Ghoneim, M.M. Effects of chronic marijuana use on human cognition. Psychopharmacology 100(1-2): 219-228, 1993.
Brook, J.S.; Rosen, Z.; Brook, D.W. The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS Psychologist January:35-39, 2001.
Wilson, W.; Mathew, R.; Turkington, T.; Hawk, T.; Coleman, R.E.; and Provenzale, J. Brain morphological changes and early marijuana use: A magnetic resonance and positron emission tomography study. J Addict Dis 19(1):1-22, 2000.
Brook, J.S.; Balka, E.B.; and Whiteman, M. The risks for late adolescence of early adolescent marijuana use. Am J Public Health 89(10):1549-1554, 1999.
Here are two articles demonstrating pot's diminishment of short-term memory:
Heishman, S.J.; Arasteh, K; and Stitzer, M.L. Comparative effects of alcohol and marijuana on mood, memory, and performance. Pharmacol Biochem Behav 58(1):93-101, 1997.
Fletcher, J.M.; Page, J.B.; Francis, D.J.; Copeland, K.; Naus, M.J.; Davis, C.M.; Morris, R.; Krauskopf, D.; and Satz, P. Cognitive correlates of chronic cannabis use in Costa Rican men. Archives of General Psychiatry 53:1051-1057, 1996.
This stuff is everywhere. How could anyone possibly miss it?

and I don't buy medical studies anymore.
I've never had a problem with short term memory loss nor has it ever "demotivated" me for more than a day.
Interesting that you brought that up. Here are two research studies that show pot users don't realize they are impaired while under the short and medium-term influences of the drug.
Ameri, A. The effects of cannabinoids on the brain. Prog Neurobiol 58(4):315-348, 1999.
Patrick, G., and Struve, F.A. Reduction of auditory P50 gating response in marihuana users: further supporting data. Clin Electroencephalogr 31(2):88-93, 2000.
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Yeah, lets face it - weed fucking sucks
vapes get you ripped, but i personally don't like them that much.just a pipe. time to revisit vaporizers, though. you try that? my past attempt didn't get me high, but i want to see if it can work well.
I guess I just like the aspect of smoking. Can't really explain it, but I'm sure as a fellow toker you understand what I mean. Vapes are cool, but they are just different. If you are worried about the health aspects, use a bubbler/bong. Water filtration does wonders.my only concern is the health improvements...smoking anything is a nasty business...especially if you're smoking throughout the day. not a great lifestyle choice.
what didn't you like about it, redshirt?
my only concern is the health improvements...smoking anything is a nasty business...especially if you're smoking throughout the day. not a great lifestyle choice.
what didn't you like about it, redshirt?
jackangel quit being such a crying pussy all the time about weed
"wahhaahah i'm addicted i hate myself waahaha change my diaper wahaha"
you should quit so the weed using pop isn't affected by this pussyness
just a pipe. time to revisit vaporizers, though. you try that? my past attempt didn't get me high, but i want to see if it can work well.
all in all, marijuana smoke smells like crap but, vapo-breath is some of the worst smelling shit i have ever experienced
Vaporizers n bongs n hookas n all that shit are for the sit around n get baked type bl4zers
I like to blaze and do something or blaze while doing something, all that exotic gear is not practial while transporting
vapo breath is killer shit mang.
vaporizers have a much better high. gotta spend at least $150 or $200 for a decent one. no hand held garbage. vapolution is a nice middle of the road one, glass on glass, convection heat. takes a few times to get used to how to use it and the right temperature setting. once you get a little experience with it, so much better than smoking. my friends have even turned to vaporizers after i did. cleaner high.
no use explaining it bro, we've lost smurfy to the
"i hate weed crowd"
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jackangel quit being such a crying pussy all the time about weed
"wahhaahah i'm addicted i hate myself waahaha change my diaper wahaha"
you should quit so the weed using pop isn't affected by this pussyness
I don't understand why people rave about this stuff and spend so much money on it.
The ear ringing, prominent heart beat, head spinning, distant outlook/perception of reality and general vacantness isn't worth the money or time.
And then you start eating garbage after, which isn't good. At least if you're an EFr.
All really pointless.
Personally, if anything, I would much rather just have a few drinks. It's much easier to control the effects of (to an extent) alcohol. Not to mention completely legal.
I understand many people use mind-altering or mood enhancing drugs as a form of self-medication for various reasons. But I think a lot of people who do, esp those who smoke weed, (particularly the young) just do it to gain the social approval of their peers. So they can rebel and say 'hey guys look at me, i'm getting hiiiigghhh'. It's quite sad many people are so irresponsible and misuse any substance in such a way.
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