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Marijuana is the most overrated 'substance' on earth

and there are no societal costs to marijuana smoking. The argument that marijuana smokers are sitting at home leeching off of govt. care is ridiculous. Those people would be huffing paint or 92 octane from a sock and doing the exact same thing. At least the marijuana is keeping them inside..:whatever: The societal benefits of legalizing marijuana far exceed the costs. The reason they don't legalize it is because it would help with so many different aspects of the human condition who's current dysfunction is a major source of industry/profit. That's all. Alcohol is legal because you can't grow coors light in your backyard and it leads to so much misery and dysfunction all of which there are prepared remedies and treatments for that are also a major source of profit. That's just the way the world is. None of us have each others best interests in my mind, that world is long gone.

That's your logic? Because the gov't wants to see their own children killed drunk behind the wheel and become alcohol addicts? Oh yes, crack and AIDS was created to kill blacks to I assume

FYI, you can micro brew beer or any type of alcohol in any basement or backyard far easier than cannibus.

The reason alcohol and tobacco are legal is because it's been a social stone in our country dating back to our forefathers who built and made the foundation laws of America. The same reason the layout of the keyboard your typing on has never been changed, it's customary. Noone that grew up on it wants it changed, The Great Depression come to mind?

The same reason you see crop being less fined and legalized in the next few decades is because the teens and 20's age group 1960's+70's era are becoming the politicians and leaders of this country now. They are aware of the real effects of marijuana and were partially accustomed to it growing up.
 
10 pages and a great topic. Very good.

As for weed ..... I found it very addictive and dropped it
from my life very quickly. It is sad to see it making
a come back among teens.

A come back? Its always been there bro.
 
10 pages and a great topic. Very good.

As for weed ..... I found it very addictive and dropped it
from my life very quickly. It is sad to see it making
a come back among teens.

It never really left. It's just that the laws regarding cannabis use keep changing.
I personally find it boring, at least indica strains. I agree it's a shame so many young people spend their times and money in such a worthless passtime when they could be using their resources productively.

Like I said before - people who need intoxicants to feel good about themselves have underlying issues which need to be resolved. Drugs are nothing but a reprieve which will do more harm than good in the long run.
 
No, you're right of course we should all strive to become 'pros' when it comes to weed - stoners and dealers since we all know such prestigious occupations represent the epitome of success.

Now how about you put down your joints and aim to contribute to humanity and your countries economy in some productive way rather than just wasting away lighting up with your degenerate friends and trying to rebel like a group of hotheaded teens in a pitiful attempt to look 'kewl'.

Also those who think 'weed is safe and completely natural man. Herbs don't kill people. It's a gift from mother nature maaaaan' are fucking deluded plain and simple. If you think mother nature can do no wrong then please go eat a bowl of nightshade and hemlock.

First of all weed has been known to cause cardiovascular related deaths in those with existing medical conditions. So it isn't safe for everyone.
Although it isn't chemically addictive. Many people become addicted to the physical effects of cannabis, and can potentially ruin lives the same way other recreational drugs do.
And it isn't even natural. Incinerating a plant material and inhaling the toxic fumes is anything but natural and carries virtually all the same smoke related dangers that smoking tobacco does.

The morons who think big pharma are out to get them are nothing more than conspiracy theorists and are probably the same people who think the rothschilds are trying to enslave the world or a NWO is coming lol or whatever other nonsense is popular atm. Perhaps cutting back on the weed would help your deal with this paranoia. :faint:

Get a grip. There is nothing special about THC. If being used for medicinal perposes there are much more potent, clinically proven conventional alternatives out there which can and do improve lives.
I find it a little amusing how people always complain about conventional medicine and prescription medication until they, or a loved one are in dire need for some.
 
No, you're right of course we should all strive to become 'pros' when it comes to weed - stoners and dealers since we all know such prestigious occupations represent the epitome of success.

Now how about you put down your joints and aim to contribute to humanity and your countries economy in some productive way rather than just wasting away lighting up with your degenerate friends and trying to rebel like a group of hotheaded teens in a pitiful attempt to look 'kewl'.

Also those who think 'weed is safe and completely natural man. Herbs don't kill people. It's a gift from mother nature maaaaan' are fucking deluded plain and simple. If you think mother nature can do no wrong then please go eat a bowl of nightshade and hemlock.

First of all weed has been known to cause cardiovascular related deaths in those with existing medical conditions. So it isn't safe for everyone.
Although it isn't chemically addictive. Many people become addicted to the physical effects of cannabis, and can potentially ruin lives the same way other recreational drugs do.
And it isn't even natural. Incinerating a plant material and inhaling the toxic fumes is anything but natural and carries virtually all the same smoke related dangers that smoking tobacco does.

The morons who think big pharma are out to get them are nothing more than conspiracy theorists and are probably the same people who think the rothschilds are trying to enslave the world or a NWO is coming lol or whatever other nonsense is popular atm. Perhaps cutting back on the weed would help your deal with this paranoia. :faint:

Get a grip. There is nothing special about THC. If being used for medicinal perposes there are much more potent, clinically proven conventional alternatives out there which can and do improve lives.
I find it a little amusing how people always complain about conventional medicine and prescription medication until they, or a loved one are in dire need for some.


I'm really starting to like this guy :D



:cow:
 
lol

He goes from "Mr. look at me complain about my typical first time side effects of using weed"

then to "Mr. I smoke(d) enough to tell the physical/mental difference between cannibus strains"

now to "Mr i'm too successful to be a habitual smoker, however I smoke enough to know tell the difference between indica and sativa, which btw are picked from my own harvest, since I don't deal with drug dealing slum bags"
 
I'm really starting to like this guy :D

:cow:
Amazing articulate for a 17 year old, isn't he :rolleyes:

I must confess, this is the first time I've heard a 17 year old use the phrase "Big Pharma" in a post.
 
Amazing articulate for a 17 year old, isn't he :rolleyes:

I must confess, this is the first time I've heard a 17 year old use the phrase "Big Pharma" in a post.


Big law, big banking, big pharma... they're all common-day terms nowadays, including (and especially) among young prestige whores.



:cow:
 
Amazing articulate for a 17 year old, isn't he :rolleyes:

I must confess, this is the first time I've heard a 17 year old use the phrase "Big Pharma" in a post.

lolol he must watch cable news a lot to get his political/cultural buzzwords
 
That's your logic? Because the gov't wants to see their own children killed drunk behind the wheel and become alcohol addicts? Oh yes, crack and AIDS was created to kill blacks to I assume


What kiddies don't realize is that their stupendous use of alcohol in college get's paid for in full by the time they're in their 40's and 50's. People's prodigious alcohol use in college leads to or contributes to every kind of degenerative disorder possible....including aging. And yes, it's very very very big business.


FYI, you can micro brew beer or any type of alcohol in any basement or backyard far easier than cannibus.


correction, you can moonshine some bullshit in your basement but the average nigga will not be making no decent beer in his/her basement any damn time soon. You can grow some decent normal weed in your backyard without any botanical knowledge whatsoever. Is it prime? obviously not. You have to be a brewmaster to make decent beer in your basement. And then you have to think about quantity. To make the expense worth your while you're going to have to make a shitload of it. See where this is going? All things being legal, I would choose growing a handful of plants in my backyard than brewing up some beer in my basement. One is ALOT FUCKING LESS WORK than the other.


The reason alcohol and tobacco are legal is because it's been a social stone in our country dating back to our forefathers who built and made the foundation laws of America.


than why was it made illegal in the 20's? It became legal again when the coors and busch families convinced the govt. to tax it. The rest is history. Big cash cow for the govt.


They are aware of the real effects of marijuana and were partially accustomed to it growing up
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yeah, that and uncle sam is gonna get his cut somehow. Please tell me you understand that you can't and won't do shit in this country unless uncle sam get's his.
 
What kiddies don't realize is that their stupendous use of alcohol in college get's paid for in full by the time they're in their 40's and 50's. People's prodigious alcohol use in college leads to or contributes to every kind of degenerative disorder possible....including aging. And yes, it's very very very big business.

And legalizing another smokable form of carcinogens wouldn't lead to future respiratory problems? alcohol kills more than tobacco? Liver failure and drunk manslaughters tops cancer?

correction, you can moonshine some bullshit in your basement but the average nigga will not be making no decent beer in his/her basement any damn time soon. You can grow some decent normal weed in your backyard without any botanical knowledge whatsoever. Is it prime? obviously not. You have to be a brewmaster to make decent beer in your basement. And then you have to think about quantity. To make the expense worth your while you're going to have to make a shitload of it. See where this is going? All things being legal, I would choose growing a handful of plants in my backyard than brewing up some beer in my basement. One is ALOT FUCKING LESS WORK than the other.
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1. Homegrown takes 4=5 months harvest vs Homebrew 2 weeks batch
2. Homegrown male vs female plants pollinating = ruined 4 month crop vs. Homebrew a bad batch, gee make another
3. Homegrown 3-6 oz off one plant (depending), limited space planting vs Homebrew unlimited room, multiple barrels at a time (liquor, brew, wine)
4. Homegrown smell of weed heavily lingers, neighbors calling police, every animal eats marijuana, bugs killing plants, hard to keep PH levels right, to dry, to hot, to cold = dead 4 month harvest. Wait another yr till next round Vs. Wait another 2 weeks for next batch, wowzer
5. Germinating and cloning is difficult, picking out male plants early is difficult, tipping right is difficult vs. Add water, malt, hops, stir, yeast, ferment GEE WIZ
6. Penalty for growing weed vs penalty for homebrew, rhetorical

And that's just going on outdoor issues

American tree is mainly grown indoors or greenhouse hydro, meaning 24/7 electricity (light/heat/humid/temp control) the expense of that compared to churning barrels of liquid isn't even close

This comparison to your point at hand is irrelevant in general anyways, no "college kid" homebrews beer for a simple fact that they can run to BP and buy a case in 5min



than why was it made illegal in the 20's? It became legal again when the coors and busch families convinced the govt. to tax it. The rest is history. Big cash cow for the govt.

Modern history, weed will get taxed if legalized also. Contradicting your logic here
 
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And legalizing another smokable form of carcinogens wouldn't lead to future respiratory problems? alcohol kills more than tobacco? Liver failure and drunk manslaughters tops cancer


marijauna isn't remotely as carcinogenic as cigarrettes. I know they keep trying to sell that as such but they've done studies on this in europe and there simply is no comparison. If you've got a joint in your mouth 24/7.....yes I"m sure you're going to have lung damage, but it's mainly from the heat of the smoke. From what I've read if you use a vaporizer you're almostly completely eliminating the damamge to your lungs. As a former smoker I can attest to what happens to your cardio vascular capacity from smoking cig's vs. weed.....it's not even comparable.




1. Homegrown takes 4=5 months harvest vs Homebrew 2 weeks batch
2. Homegrown male vs female plants pollinating = ruined 4 month crop vs. Homebrew a bad batch, gee make another
3. Homegrown 3-6 oz off one plant (depending), limited space planting vs Homebrew unlimited room, multiple barrels at a time (liquor, brew, wine)
4. Homegrown smell of weed heavily lingers, neighbors calling police, every animal eats marijuana, bugs killing plants, hard to keep PH levels right, to dry, to hot, to cold = dead 4 month harvest. Wait another yr till next round Vs. Wait another 2 weeks for next batch, wowzer
5. Germinating and cloning is difficult, picking out male plants early is difficult, tipping right is difficult vs. Add water, malt, hops, stir, yeast, ferment GEE WIZ
6. Penalty for growing weed vs penalty for homebrew, rhetorical

And that's just going on outdoor issues


but my point is that homebrew is crap. Just adding your malt's, hops and water doesn't a good beer make. I dunno, maybe you're hooked on that primo but I've been plenty happy with just straight up outdoor naturally grown weed. I don't need the kush's and the diesels to get high.


American tree is mainly grown indoors or greenhouse hydro, meaning 24/7 electricity (light/heat/humid/temp control) the expense of that compared to churning barrels of liquid isn't even close


agreed, which is why if I could grow it would be outside or at least on the window sill. Like I said, I would be fine with just straight natural weed.






Modern history, weed will get taxed if legalized also. Contradicting your logic here
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how is it contradicting? I know full well uncle sam will at least try to crack down on homegrowers if weed is legalized so you have to get it from a liscensed source. But if it get's legalized how hard are they really going to go after home growers? They can't, everybody will be growing some in their yard or greenhouse. You'll be able to go to a coffeehouse or cannabis club type outfit for the good primo shit and that's how it should be.
 
I just got done watching a really intriguing moving entitled "The American War on Drugs" Talk about food for thought.

Basically, preventing organic drugs (naturally occurring, like marijuana, mushrooms) from being legal in a very twisted way is a huge business that creates profits in numerous sectors ... and they're not talking some south American dictators, but good old American capitalists: American Drug War: The Last White Hope - War on Drugs
 
I just got done watching a really intriguing moving entitled "The American War on Drugs" Talk about food for thought.

Basically, preventing organic drugs (naturally occurring, like marijuana, mushrooms) from being legal in a very twisted way is a huge business that creates profits in numerous sectors ... and they're not talking some south American dictators, but good old American capitalists: American Drug War: The Last White Hope - War on Drugs

Looking at it from a socio-economic perspective: increased profits likely means increased employment rates. And increased employment likely means greater standards of living for countless families.

I'm HAPPY organic drugs are banned if it means greater livelihoods for many families. I think it's very twisted to potentially take a hot meal off a hard-working families plate, just so some fucking new age hippie doesn't have to worry about the legal consequences of their next shroom high.
 
Looking at it from an economic and social perspective: increased profits likely means increased employment rates. And increased employment likely means greater standards of living for countless families.

I'm HAPPY organic drugs are banned if it means greater livelihoods for many families. I think it's very twisted to potentially take a hot meal off a hard-working families plate, just so some fucking new age hippie can get one more shroom high.
You don't get it. It's closing an economic gate, so to speak. Preventing "organic" drugs from being accessed by the general public just creates a larger market for synthetic drugs. For example, in Amersterdam they've never heard of crystal meth.

If the war on drugs in America ended tomorrow it would put more than 2 billion a year back into the economy that is currently being used to "fight the war" and feed/house non violent drug offenders.

It's the same situation as what happened back with prohibition. People didn't stop drinking, they just drank poison and the govt. spent money (which they could have been collecting in taxes) chasing the bootleggers.

If they cared so much about protecting our health, why don't they make cigarettes, which kill about 1/2 a million people in this country alone, illegal?
 
You don't get it. It's closing an economic gate, so to speak. Preventing "organic" drugs from being accessed by the general public just creates a larger market for synthetic drugs. For example, in Amersterdam they've never heard of crystal meth.

If the war on drugs in America ended tomorrow it would put more than 2 billion a year back into the economy that is currently being used to "fight the war" and feed/house non violent drug offenders.

It's the same situation as what happened back with prohibition. People didn't stop drinking, they just drank poison and the govt. spent money (which they could have been collecting in taxes) chasing the bootleggers.

If they cared so much about protecting our health, why don't they make cigarettes, which kill about 1/2 a million people in this country alone, illegal?

There is no money to be made from MJ or shrooms because they can't be patented and therefore can't be monopolised. They are so simple to grow that in some parts of the world like india they're actually considered to be pests.

If legalized people would merely start growing there own, and it would prove to be devastating to the alcohol and tobacco industries and will results in increased unemployment rates. And considering our current economic climate, I think that's something we can do without. Such a major blow may just result in a collapse.

And let's not forget about the social implications. I'd rather not have to worry about the authorities turning up stoned everytime I feel the need to dial 999.

Of course they don't really take the general publics health into question regarding this and rightfully so. At ages 16 and 18 people should be able to decide what is good for them and what isn't. If they decide to use either substance irresponsibly, well then that's their problem.

Of course there are the ethcial issues surrounding the tobacco and alcohol industries. But that's a different story.
 
Is weed overrated ? IMHO its like alcohol, you get a decent feeling but its nowhere near mdma or stuff like that. But it does the job, specially H...
 
Wrong there's no way some half-pint limey prick is related to me.

Besides I'm the youngest in my family.

Cheers,
Scotsman
:lmao:

Gotta love Scottish contempt for the British :D
 
There is no money to be made from MJ or shrooms because they can't be patented and therefore can't be monopolised. They are so simple to grow that in some parts of the world like india they're actually considered to be pests.

If legalized people would merely start growing there own, and it would prove to be devastating to the alcohol and tobacco industries and will results in increased unemployment rates. And considering our current economic climate, I think that's something we can do without. Such a major blow may just result in a collapse.

And let's not forget about the social implications. I'd rather not have to worry about the authorities turning up stoned everytime I feel the need to dial 999.

Of course they don't really take the general publics health into question regarding this and rightfully so. At ages 16 and 18 people should be able to decide what is good for them and what isn't. If they decide to use either substance irresponsibly, well then that's their problem.

Of course there are the ethcial issues surrounding the tobacco and alcohol industries. But that's a different story.

You dont understand basic economics. I can grow my own vegetables, make my own beer, even sew my own clothes. The government doesnt have a monopoly on any of that. So why dont I do that all myself instead of buying it like i already do? Because the time/effort/hassle it takes me to do those things is far more than just quickly buying those things from someone else. People tent to specialize when we have an economy that is money based and not barter based. You have a job, that is your specialty that you are using to acquire money, which you use to then buy goods and services because you cant make or provide all the goods and services you have in your life by your own time and effort. Therefore its much more efficient for my time and energy to pay someone else for those goods and services from the money that I get from a job or business, than to use up all the free time and energy in my life growing/making those things from scratch.
Basically this is the reason we even have currency at all. So we can pay people for goods and services that would take too much time and effort to do ourselves.
This is also the reason every tom, dick, and harry will not be growing their own weed, and will simply pay others money for it. Just like they do at a grocery store or clothing store and everything else they buy in life.
 
There is no money to be made from MJ

this statement is so wrong on so many levels. research oaksterdam university in oakland, ca. the owner payed $1.8 million in taxes for the school and his medical marijuana shop. thats what he paid to the government, not his profit.
 
Wrong there's no way some half-pint limey prick is related to me.

Besides I'm the youngest in my family.

Cheers,
Scotsman

Haha, well I'm actually of indian origin so I don't know if I can be classed as a 'limey' per se ;)

Although I suppose I could beef up a little more.
 
You don't get it. It's closing an economic gate, so to speak. Preventing "organic" drugs from being accessed by the general public just creates a larger market for synthetic drugs. For example, in Amersterdam they've never heard of crystal meth.

They've never head of meth in Amsterdam because people tired of pot wanting something more can easily get high quality heroin or cocaine.

Crystal meth (and oxycontin) abuse are more rampant on a per capita basis in rural areas that don't have interstate access to major drug lanes. So if your goal is to stop crystal meth, just put a well-traveled drug trafficing route in their backyard so they can go for the less dangerous substance.


If the war on drugs in America ended tomorrow it would put more than 2 billion a year back into the economy that is currently being used to "fight the war" and feed/house non violent drug offenders.

Let's pretend for a moment that number is correct. In a $14.4T economy, that would be 0.014% of our GDP. So we're going to endorse and effectively promote a new drug to the public for 0.014%? Think about how many people already have diminished ambition due to pot. Even the most miniscule decrease in productivity would crush that 0.0145% gain hundreds of times over.

It's the same situation as what happened back with prohibition. People didn't stop drinking, they just drank poison and the govt. spent money (which they could have been collecting in taxes) chasing the bootleggers.

If they cared so much about protecting our health, why don't they make cigarettes, which kill about 1/2 a million people in this country alone, illegal?

You answered your own question about tobacco. It's difficult enough to contain an illegal substance (you can argue we're losing that war anyway) -- but it's virtually impossible to repeal the legality of a widely-accepted substance like alcohol or tobacco. So even if pot was legalized for a short time, there would be no going back.
 
Think about how many people already have diminished ambition due to pot. Even the most miniscule decrease in productivity would crush that 0.0145% gain hundreds of times over.


There are plenty of people with "diminished ambition" that don't do drugs. People with diminished ambition will do drugs "because" of their depression or whatever. The diminshed ambition does not come from the drug. I know too many people who smoked their way through difficult degree's to beleive that propaganda anymore. You're just regurgitating talking points, not giving an opinion based on personal experience. The stress reduction benefits alone make pot worth it's weight in gold.
 
There are plenty of people with "diminished ambition" that don't do drugs. People with diminished ambition will do drugs "because" of their depression or whatever. The diminshed ambition does not come from the drug. I know too many people who smoked their way through difficult degree's to beleive that propaganda anymore. You're just regurgitating talking points, not giving an opinion based on personal experience. The stress reduction benefits alone make pot worth it's weight in gold.

I personally don't smoke pot because it makes me not want to do shit for 1-2 days after I use it. It's a massive demotivator for me.

As for other people, everyone knows someone who lost a year in college or who lost several years in real life with a wake-and-bake lifestyle.

And how can you miss the evidence? There are studies everywhere. Here are four that show pot to have an adverse effect on developing brains:

Block, R.I., and Ghoneim, M.M. Effects of chronic marijuana use on human cognition. Psychopharmacology 100(1-2): 219-228, 1993.

Brook, J.S.; Rosen, Z.; Brook, D.W. The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS Psychologist January:35-39, 2001.

Wilson, W.; Mathew, R.; Turkington, T.; Hawk, T.; Coleman, R.E.; and Provenzale, J. Brain morphological changes and early marijuana use: A magnetic resonance and positron emission tomography study. J Addict Dis 19(1):1-22, 2000.

Brook, J.S.; Balka, E.B.; and Whiteman, M. The risks for late adolescence of early adolescent marijuana use. Am J Public Health 89(10):1549-1554, 1999.

Here are two articles demonstrating pot's diminishment of short-term memory:

Heishman, S.J.; Arasteh, K; and Stitzer, M.L. Comparative effects of alcohol and marijuana on mood, memory, and performance. Pharmacol Biochem Behav 58(1):93-101, 1997.

Fletcher, J.M.; Page, J.B.; Francis, D.J.; Copeland, K.; Naus, M.J.; Davis, C.M.; Morris, R.; Krauskopf, D.; and Satz, P. Cognitive correlates of chronic cannabis use in Costa Rican men. Archives of General Psychiatry 53:1051-1057, 1996.

This stuff is everywhere. How could anyone possibly miss it?
 
And here's a study of 300 identical twins. The twin exposed to pot at 17 or below had elevated risk of subsequent drug problems (for other drugs) as compared to the identical twin that didn't get exposed.

Lynskey, M.T.; Heath, A.C.; Bucholz, K.K.; Slutske, W.S.; Madden, P.A.F.; Nelson, E.C.; Statham, D.J.; and Martin, N.G. Escalation of drug use in early-onset cannabis users vs. co-twin controls. JAMA 289(4):427-433, 2003.

This stuff is out there everywhere. How could someone miss it?
 
And here is an article describing the withdrawl symptoms reported by long-term users trying to quit pot:

Budney, A.J.; Moore, B.A.; Vandrey, R.G.; and Hughes, J.R. The time course and significance of cannabis withdrawal. J Abnorm Psychol 112(3):393-402, 2003.
 
Here's an article showing that memory, learning and attention can remain impaired even 24 hours after pot use:

Pope, H.G., and Yurgelun-Todd, D. The residual cognitive effects of heavy marijuana use in college students. JAMA 275(7):521-527, 1996.
 
weed thread = made + baked = maked :rolleyes:

Are you stoned right now? Do you need medical attention? OMG this answers so many questions and creates so many new questions.

I'm gonna go do a study to see if weed makes you more vulnerable to giving-up the o-ring.

Is it the MJ that makes you give-up the o-ring?

No homo.
 
Are you stoned right now? Do you need medical attention? OMG this answers so many questions and creates so many new questions.

I'm gonna go do a study to see if weed makes you more vulnerable to giving-up the o-ring.

Is it the MJ that makes you give-up the o-ring?

No homo.

this resides over my O-ring

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I personally don't smoke pot because it makes me not want to do shit for 1-2 days after I use it. It's a massive demotivator for me.

As for other people, everyone knows someone who lost a year in college or who lost several years in real life with a wake-and-bake lifestyle.

And how can you miss the evidence? There are studies everywhere. Here are four that show pot to have an adverse effect on developing brains:

Block, R.I., and Ghoneim, M.M. Effects of chronic marijuana use on human cognition. Psychopharmacology 100(1-2): 219-228, 1993.

Brook, J.S.; Rosen, Z.; Brook, D.W. The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS Psychologist January:35-39, 2001.

Wilson, W.; Mathew, R.; Turkington, T.; Hawk, T.; Coleman, R.E.; and Provenzale, J. Brain morphological changes and early marijuana use: A magnetic resonance and positron emission tomography study. J Addict Dis 19(1):1-22, 2000.

Brook, J.S.; Balka, E.B.; and Whiteman, M. The risks for late adolescence of early adolescent marijuana use. Am J Public Health 89(10):1549-1554, 1999.

Here are two articles demonstrating pot's diminishment of short-term memory:

Heishman, S.J.; Arasteh, K; and Stitzer, M.L. Comparative effects of alcohol and marijuana on mood, memory, and performance. Pharmacol Biochem Behav 58(1):93-101, 1997.

Fletcher, J.M.; Page, J.B.; Francis, D.J.; Copeland, K.; Naus, M.J.; Davis, C.M.; Morris, R.; Krauskopf, D.; and Satz, P. Cognitive correlates of chronic cannabis use in Costa Rican men. Archives of General Psychiatry 53:1051-1057, 1996.

This stuff is everywhere. How could anyone possibly miss it?



I've never had a problem with short term memory loss nor has it ever "demotivated" me for more than a day. But admittedly I'm already a low key "non type A" personality. So maybe it does calm some of those neurotic type A get a week's worth of work done in 2 days type people. I've found it balances me. I wish I would have done it during my first run through school. But I will also admit I don't have the "addictive" personality. There are some people who when they get on something they ride it into the ground. Normal weed though, not the chemically enhanced superpowers they're growing now.........it's just so pure. :whatever:
 
and I don't buy medical studies anymore, especially when they have to do with a social more that a particular society has come to frown on. Like I'm sure you can find some study somewhere that portends pot use as dangerous to drive under as alcohol. Yet in europe a few TV shows have gone out and got people hammered and than high a week apart. They tested the groups driving abilities in both situation and also got a baseline under sober conditions. The high people not only drove better than when they were drunk, they drove better than when they were sober......that's been repeated a couple times now too. They all drove 5-10 mph under the speed limit when they were high and had quicker reaction times. WTF? that goes against everything that every study on mj that comes out here in the states. It's just all bullshit.
 
and I don't buy medical studies anymore.

You don't believe in peer-reviewed, refereed professional medical studies but you believe in big-business conspiracy theories?

Check out those publication references again. Those were from people like JAMA and the American Journal of Public Health.
 
I've never had a problem with short term memory loss nor has it ever "demotivated" me for more than a day.

Interesting that you brought that up. Here are two research studies that show pot users don't realize they are impaired while under the short and medium-term influences of the drug.

Ameri, A. The effects of cannabinoids on the brain. Prog Neurobiol 58(4):315-348, 1999.

Patrick, G., and Struve, F.A. Reduction of auditory P50 gating response in marihuana users: further supporting data. Clin Electroencephalogr 31(2):88-93, 2000.
 
Interesting that you brought that up. Here are two research studies that show pot users don't realize they are impaired while under the short and medium-term influences of the drug.

Ameri, A. The effects of cannabinoids on the brain. Prog Neurobiol 58(4):315-348, 1999.

Patrick, G., and Struve, F.A. Reduction of auditory P50 gating response in marihuana users: further supporting data. Clin Electroencephalogr 31(2):88-93, 2000.

what kind of faggot code is that :confused:
 
just a pipe. time to revisit vaporizers, though. you try that? my past attempt didn't get me high, but i want to see if it can work well.
 
I'm not all that exotic, more about the taste so I like to keep the weed burning fresh, uaually just have papers/swishers
 
my only concern is the health improvements...smoking anything is a nasty business...especially if you're smoking throughout the day. not a great lifestyle choice.

what didn't you like about it, redshirt?
 
my only concern is the health improvements...smoking anything is a nasty business...especially if you're smoking throughout the day. not a great lifestyle choice.

what didn't you like about it, redshirt?
I guess I just like the aspect of smoking. Can't really explain it, but I'm sure as a fellow toker you understand what I mean. Vapes are cool, but they are just different. If you are worried about the health aspects, use a bubbler/bong. Water filtration does wonders.
 
my only concern is the health improvements...smoking anything is a nasty business...especially if you're smoking throughout the day. not a great lifestyle choice.

what didn't you like about it, redshirt?

i realize that weed smoke is potentially bad, but i think most of the neg hype is bullshit and exaggerated.
i've smoked a lotta weed and i've never had a smoker's cough, never been outta breath, never experienced the health side effects smokers get.
my cardio is good...and when i recently quit weed for a yr i noticed no improvement in cardio function
 
jackangel quit being such a crying pussy all the time about weed
"wahhaahah i'm addicted i hate myself waahaha change my diaper wahaha"
you should quit so the weed using pop isn't affected by this pussyness
 
jackangel quit being such a crying pussy all the time about weed
"wahhaahah i'm addicted i hate myself waahaha change my diaper wahaha"
you should quit so the weed using pop isn't affected by this pussyness

And all this time I thought potheads were all those hippie, touchie-feely types.

I figured you guys would setup a drum circle and align your psychic energies with the Earth's magnetic field to cure JA of his negative karmas.
 
all in all, marijuana smoke smells like crap but, vapo-breath is some of the worst smelling shit i have ever experienced

vapo breath is killer shit mang.

vaporizers have a much better high. gotta spend at least $150 or $200 for a decent one. no hand held garbage. vapolution is a nice middle of the road one, glass on glass, convection heat. takes a few times to get used to how to use it and the right temperature setting. once you get a little experience with it, so much better than smoking. my friends have even turned to vaporizers after i did. cleaner high.
 
Vaporizers n bongs n hookas n all that shit are for the sit around n get baked type bl4zers

I like to blaze and do something or blaze while doing something, all that exotic gear is not practial while transporting
 
Vaporizers n bongs n hookas n all that shit are for the sit around n get baked type bl4zers

I like to blaze and do something or blaze while doing something, all that exotic gear is not practial while transporting

in my case, i have a career. i dont smoke and drive or smoke and work. i come home, take care of my wife and family business, and at 9 or 9:30 hit a few vaps. for some people, these things are great. still get high while making the negative health effects decrease. for those who like to burn and run, these things arent the best decision.
 
vapo breath is killer shit mang.

vaporizers have a much better high. gotta spend at least $150 or $200 for a decent one. no hand held garbage. vapolution is a nice middle of the road one, glass on glass, convection heat. takes a few times to get used to how to use it and the right temperature setting. once you get a little experience with it, so much better than smoking. my friends have even turned to vaporizers after i did. cleaner high.

no use explaining it bro, we've lost smurfy to the
"i hate weed crowd"
:(
 
jackangel quit being such a crying pussy all the time about weed
"wahhaahah i'm addicted i hate myself waahaha change my diaper wahaha"
you should quit so the weed using pop isn't affected by this pussyness


pussyness > illiteracy
 
I don't understand why people rave about this stuff and spend so much money on it.

The ear ringing, prominent heart beat, head spinning, distant outlook/perception of reality and general vacantness isn't worth the money or time.

And then you start eating garbage after, which isn't good. At least if you're an EFr.

All really pointless.

Personally, if anything, I would much rather just have a few drinks. It's much easier to control the effects of (to an extent) alcohol. Not to mention completely legal.

I understand many people use mind-altering or mood enhancing drugs as a form of self-medication for various reasons. But I think a lot of people who do, esp those who smoke weed, (particularly the young) just do it to gain the social approval of their peers. So they can rebel and say 'hey guys look at me, i'm getting hiiiigghhh'. It's quite sad many people are so irresponsible and misuse any substance in such a way.

I see on average 2 MVA trauma's a day where I work.. When running a toxicology screening alcohol is 9:10 the culprit. 5yrs working trauma ICU I don't think I can account for a single account where canabinoids have been the determinant precursor. I'm not a partaker but an advocate.
 
Weed is good. Cocaine is better.
 
I am a medical marijuana patient...and I can assure you that cannabis is a far superior drug than alcohol for pain and relaxation.

The only negative side effects I have experience from cannabis are a slight exacerbation of a mild pre existing gyno. I attribute this to the phytoestrogens...it's the female plant that is consumed never the male.

This is easily counteracted with a little tribulus.

Unlike alcohol cannabis has no hepatotoxicity, no neurotoxicity (the old studies that purported brain damage were just plain false) and no other apparent toxicity.

As for causing one to eat junk food, it does stimulate appetite. However, I can stick to a CKD on weed, so it's obviously just a matter of self discipline. It also helps if you use cannabis AFTER a healthy meal.

I've also noticed that I only get 'cotton mouth' if I'm not fully hydrated, so the cannabis just reminds me to hydrate.

I do recommend against smoking cannabis. The studies that claimed cannabis causes brain damage involved forcing a Rhesus monkey to smoke 112g in 15 minutes. The brain damage was much more likely the result of carbon monoxide than THC.

The use of a vaproizer or cooking the cannabis into food eliminates this problem. Be warned, however, that the effects of eating cannabis are much more powerful than smoking. It also takes about 1.5-2 hours to realize the full effect. Do not eat cannabis for the first time in a public setting. You might be overwhelmed.

As for the effects of alcohol being easier to control I strongly disagree. Early experiences with cannabis are very powerful, but one quicly learns how to ignore them if need be. A cup of espresso will sober most people up pretty quick.
 
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