Let's Lose This Myth Once And For All!!!

[Nelson Montana]

No, the shots will not be all gone from 5 weeks ago. None of this takes into account that blood levels of test are meaningless in this context. In the first weeks of an estered test your body hasn't had time to respond to the test. It hasn't had time to make the increase in protein synthesis amount to anything. If your body built mass as quickly as you injected high blood levels you would only need a 3 day cycle of suspension. The steroids DO build up and so does the response from them. It's a cascading effect that needs time to build up and take place. You will NOT have the same effect in week 2 as week 8. That's ridiculous.

Faulty reasoning. Muscle needs time to accumulate. That is sepearte from the effectiveness of the steroid.

There comes a point where the half life is inconsequential. If the half lives continued ad infitum, then guys on HRT, who never go off, would start amassing amazing gains after 6 months or so because they've had all that accumulation. It doesn't work that way.


MAC 173 once again shows his disregard for the facts and his eagerness to argue before accessing the facts. I never said what you claim. You're taking it out of context just to be annoying. The point of THAT remark was that "No one ever built a great body SOLELY from eating well."

Apparently everyone got it but you. Or maybe you didn't want to.

Which proves one of two things. You're either just looking for troube. Or you're just dumb. Which is it?

 

[Mac173]

Faulty reasoning. Muscle needs time to accumulate. That is sepearte from the effectiveness of the steroid.

There comes a point where the half life is inconsequential. If the half lives continued ad infitum, then guys on HRT, who never go off, would start amassing amazing gains after 6 months or so because they've had all that accumulation. It doesn't work that way.


MAC 173 once again shows his disregard for the facts and his eagerness to argue before accessing the facts. I never said what you claim. You're taking it out of context just to be annoying. The point of THAT remark was that "No one ever built a great body SOLELY from eating well."

Apparently everyone got it but you. Or maybe you didn't want to.

Which proves one of two things. You're either just looking for troube. Or you're just dumb. Which is it?

What your point was and what you said are two differant things.
Say what you mean, don't make rediculous statements like that and expect people to think, "well he probably means something differant". That's foolish, I would assume that you wouldn't disregard diet but don't post in such a way that makes it sound like you do.

 

[solidspine]

I don't dispute what Nelson is saying... what I personally mean when saying "kicking in" is when I actually start to FEEL it coursing through me... when I feel the increase in strength and energy and libido.

NELSON MONTANA WOULD YOU FUCKING GROW UP
OR SHUT THE FUCK UP,
YOU ARE REALLY STARTING TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST.




Kicking in for most people is not a technical issue, and it is of course
VERY Debatable, Very much an opinion, and very, very disputable.


Are you tying to say I FEEL deca at the exact same time as someone else does?
Maybe some one 35 years younger than me, who is on gear for the first time.

Again your statement is inane, as always

Why do you have to lean in to a punch on every fricken tread, Why do you have to be the all knowing expert, the only authority? Hasn’t that bothered you before, it would bother normal people.

That is not an opinion. It is not debatable. A fact is fact and this one is for sure. It is provable. It is indisputable.----Why ----because nelson montanta say so, that’s why,

A fact is a fact, give me a break, global warming will kill us all- All gore,

It is indisputable, gear does not take weeks to kick in—nelson Montana,

Er except, ah, well, I don’t know because ah I don’t use gear, but I wonder about Test E, Test C, Deca and EQ, do they kick in well as fast as d-bol, well er, I don’t know, because, well I don’t know, I am nelson montanta just buy my books.

Has nothing to do with the guys on gear but it is nelson’s opinion again, nothing more just his opinion.


Why again is it SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE THE AUTHORITY!!!!


In the past the information that most of received and learned from was not crammed down our throats as the only way, because “I” am an expert, but by guys that tried and experimented with gear and it worked for them.

You are not going to gain respect by demanding it, criticizing everyone who does not agree with you, and constant stating the obvious in esoteric terms.


And pissing everyone off.

 

[Mac173]

NELSON MONTANA WOULD YOU FUCKING GROW UP
OR SHUT THE FUCK UP,
YOU ARE REALLY STARTING TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST.




Kicking in for most people is not a technical issue, and it is of course
VERY Debatable, Very much an opinion, and very, very disputable.


Are you tying to say I FEEL deca at the exact same time as someone else does?
Maybe some one 35 years younger than me, who is on gear for the first time.

Again your statement is inane, as always

Why do you have to lean in to a punch on every fricken tread, Why do you have to be the all knowing expert, the only authority? Hasn’t that bothered you before, it would bother normal people.





A fact is a fact, give me a break, global warming will kill us all- All gore,

It is indisputable, gear does not take weeks to kick in—nelson Montana,





Has nothing to do with the guys on gear but it is nelson’s opinion again, nothing more just his opinion.


Why again is it SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE THE AUTHORITY!!!!


In the past the information that most of received and learned from was not crammed down our throats as the only way, because “I” am an expert, but by guys that tried and experimented with gear and it worked for them.

You are not going to gain respect by demanding it, criticizing everyone who does not agree with you, and constant stating the obvious in esoteric terms.


And pissing everyone off.

I can see this thread is going to get hot quick.
Time for me to lean back in the recliner and get the popcorn.

 

[medrep]

Is it gay if SS just gave me a chub?!
Get 'em SS!

 

[Mac173]

Is it gay if SS just gave me a chub?!
Get 'em SS!

I feel better now, I'm not the only one.

 

[Nelson Montana]

NELSON MONTANA WOULD YOU FUCKING GROW UP
OR SHUT THE FUCK UP,
YOU ARE REALLY STARTING TO PISS PEOPLE OFF.

FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST.




Kicking in for most people is not a technical issue, and it is of course
VERY Debatable, Very much an opinion, and very, very disputable.


Are you tying to say I FEEL deca at the exact same time as someone else does?
Maybe some one 35 years younger than me, who is on gear for the first time.

Again your statement is inane, as always

Why do you have to lean in to a punch on every fricken tread, Why do you have to be the all knowing expert, the only authority? Hasn’t that bothered you before, it would bother normal people.





A fact is a fact, give me a break, global warming will kill us all- All gore,

It is indisputable, gear does not take weeks to kick in—nelson Montana,





Has nothing to do with the guys on gear but it is nelson’s opinion again, nothing more just his opinion.


Why again is it SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE THE AUTHORITY!!!!


In the past the information that most of received and learned from was not crammed down our throats as the only way, because “I” am an expert, but by guys that tried and experimented with gear and it worked for them.

You are not going to gain respect by demanding it, criticizing everyone who does not agree with you, and constant stating the obvious in esoteric terms.


And pissing everyone off.

Well, now you're just ranting like an idiot.

I am doing nor saying none of the things you claim and the only people I seem to be pissing off is you and MAC. Which in a way, is kind of a compliment.

 

[solidspine]

I was not ranting simply and obviously disagreeing with your statement of “fact”s simply because you say they are facts.
You are a very frustrating person to try and communicate with,


Have a wonderful life, I hope you win a Pulitzer Prize for fiction









Oh yes it is your turn now to say something witty,

I know you like to have the last word on these significant issues of myths vrs facts

 

[cboogsrun]

I think on a site that has so many knowledgeable people and where others come for advice, it isn't too much to ask that certain information be accurate.

There are lots of issues where people will disagree, but facts are facts. And this one is the most commonly promulgated.


STEROIDS DO NOT TAKE WEEKS TO "KICK IN"!!!


That is not an opinion. It is not debatable. A fact is fact and this one is for sure. It is provabale. It is indisputable.

Blood levels of testosterone will be increased within hours of injection. You are then in an anabolically enhanced environment. Start making good use of it! Nitrogen retention has begun.

It's at the point where I get the feeling guys don't even train hard for the first few weeks because "the gear hasn't kicked in yet." What a waste. And it's all because of a notion which has been repeated so many times it's become regarded as truth. It isn't .

Of course, you may not see results for a while, but that doesn't mean the stuff isn't working. Personally, I always felt it after a few days.

If test is active for appox 10 days until the half life is essentially inert, what do you think happens to the first shot you take? Does anyone think it doesn't work because it knows you'll be doing other shots for the next 12 weeks? That's ridiculous! What is the reasoning here? I can't blame them though. That's what they've heard and that's what they believed and that's what they've passed on. It's time to let it go though.

Steroids do not "build up" in the system. They come and go. At week one you can have a T level of 2000ngs and at week 6 you can have a T level of 2000ngs. So why do you think week 6 is more productive? If anything, it's LESS productive because your natural T will be lower and your receptors will have downgraded more.

Sure, some guys will swear it doesn't "hit" them for a while. But it's a mistaken perception. Blood tests don't lie.

Prop acts a little faster (actually it's instant) but it's more a matter of being a short acting ester. That doesn't mean it necessarily works quicker, it just doesn't last as long. That has certain advantages, but not one that is applicable to long term use. Oh sure, guys will say how they got great gains form prop. No shit. EVERYTHING works. But there's a mechanism in which it works and isn't necessarily the way one may THINK it works.

The gains you make in week 2 will be the same gains you make in week 8 -- but of course, you've ammassed more gains over time. Get it? That doesn't mean they only came at the end. They've been building up for weeks!

This misinfomation is akin to a site about medicine debating the merits of voodoo. Enough already.

I don't want to make this a debate over short cycles vs long. Short cycles work if implimented correctly but they may not yield the results some people desire. Some guys need more time to build the muscle they want. That's fine. But it isn't because the gear hasn't kicked in for them. IT'S IN!

Now get to work.

so your saying with a half life of 10 days that enanthate will be as strong week 1 as week 6? Doesn't add up. Possibly after 20 days it will maintain the same strength. Maybe I'm remedial but I know how to add stubtract multiply and divide.

 

[Nelson Montana]

so your saying with a half life of 10 days that enanthate will be as strong week 1 as week 6? Doesn't add up. Possibly after 20 days it will maintain the same strength. Maybe I'm remedial but I know how to add stubtract multiply and divide.

That's exactly what I'm NOT saying.