4everhung said:
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I need some nootropics
suggestions?
I've taken multiple cycles of nootropics: name brand, generics, solo chems, stacks of nootropics, ad nauseum.
There's so much out there info-wise, but it's getting near impossible to separate the REAL info from the info pushed by the sellers (like the guys/sponsers at EF pushing their pseudo-nootropic blends... sorry, but their ingredient list is full of bullshit NON-nootropic chems save a small amount of a coulple actual real nootropics.
Piracetam and it's more expensive and potent analogue oxycetam (I might be off on the spellings, it's been a while) are by far the most famous. I've tried Piracetam up to 2.4g TID and even more in the initial phase. Results were difficult to distinguish from that of placebo, to be honest. There's a huge debate over whether piracetam can even be considered a drug, because
there is no known level of toxicity. ALL drugs display some toxicity to some degree in superphysiological doses... piracetam does not at ANY dose. That definitely raises some eyebrowes.
Hydergine does
something. I don't know what, there's a marked effect on the organism upon the consumption of larger doses. Also seems to enhance or play some synergistic role with piracetam and it's analogues. However, Hydergine is not approved for sale in the U.S. and customs WILL snatch it. However, it is legal to possess and use. Superphysiological doses result in a light-headed dizziness, not euphoric, yet not disphoric.
If I had to suggest a drug to help with memory, it would be vasopressin/desmopressin. It's approved use in the U.S. is for nighttime enuresis (umm... yeah, go look that one up, lol), meaning it has anti-diuretic properties (which can interact with many other drugs, so talk to a doc or pharmacist). What desmopressin does is help with memory
encoding, whereas 'real' nootropics, last I heard, were defined as drugs that helped with memory
recall. Desmopressin is the only nootropic/pseudonootropic that has had any drug-like effect and positive, noticable effect on my memory (that could be differentiated from placebo).
There's a lot of so-called "nootropics" or "smart drugs" out there, but in reality, the only real nootropics are supplements... not drugs. They are not magic, and may or may not help to a small degree.
There's a great site going over clinical trials and research involving nootropics and other drugs (from a site NOT selling you anything), but I need to check my other computer for the addy. I believe
www.bluelight.com might have a board on nootropics as well.
In my personal opinion, ignore whaterver "nootropic-esque" talk and products that EF members are selling. A good number of REAL nootropics are Rx only, or not approved for sale in the U.S. ... leaving only crap for chemicals in the Neurontix or Neurogenix mixtures or whatever. But I'll admit, they're good with pushing propaganda about how "wonderful" their products are, and how they have people claiming they work immediately.... total BS.
HTH
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