JKurz's Log "Mirrors are all hidden"!

[ProtienFiend]

He's like talking to a brick wall.... I have some advice... 700mg test a week, pct, gain 20lbs, lose 25lbs, get depressed again... come on EF, ask for advice, then not take it....

oh wait thats what you were going to do.

 

[silver_shadow]

PLEASE boys….tell me the truth! You have all done cycles and you gotta admit some have gotten pretty hairy…mine is safe and mild…very mild!!

we have done cycles - very true. mild ones too and gotten good results and kept them. now i will speak for myself. there's a difference between you and me - my baseline test was already high, yours isn't. my nuts were therefore not too difficult to fire up fully after the cycle. yours will be even deeper in slumber. so the answer is NO - BAD IDEA to get on cycle now. plz just go for the herbs at this stage or something like shadow suggested - that guy knows his shit when it comes to chemicals. for a start, you could sub in some whole milk and at least 6 whole eggs a day for skim and whites... i said it earlier, get yourself tested NOW, follow this diet and maybe a PCT like shadow suggested and test yourself again after 2 mths.

 

[JKurz1]

getting tested at this point is a comp. waste of $. I already know. Its a no brainer. Doing a pct is a good alternative. However a mild dose and then a pct will be even better for my mind, sole, spirit and WEIGHT! I will be very careful, I will train hard, I will rest harder and I will eat the hardest...if anything at all, it'll teach me how to eat and eat till I'm full and then eat some more.........I promised myself I needed to hit every meal on this diet everyday, no exceptions. If I have to eat two meals at once, so be it. If I'm still hungry after a meal, I will eat MORE....

I saw my trainer last night and he is giving me to cheat meals a week plus upping the cals. He is adding rice cakes and jelly into meals, fig newtons, taking out the pasta, adding in sweet potatoes, more oats and MORE FATS......funny.

 

[silver_shadow]

Doing a pct is a good alternative. However a mild dose and then a pct will be even better for my mind, sole, spirit and WEIGHT!

it's not a better alternative

 

[JKurz1]

http://forum.ironmagazine.com/showthread.php?t=53872&highlight=low+testosterone+mass

what I mean by low test and fat storage....

 

[blut wump]

The conclusions there were more orientated towards test and fat loss rather than extra storage, although we can reasonably assume a correlation there too.

Anyway, I'm at a loss to fathom your point. Are you suggesting that you're medically fat? From everything you've posted, you're still significantly sub-normal with respect to fat levels.

On cycle or off it you will gain some fat as you bulk. At this stage in your training, I'd suggest that it's time to embrace a little fat deposition. Look to the title of the thread and try harder to think less about how your new mass is being distributed. The extra muscle you're growing will play its part, at some future time, in increasing your metabolism to keep everything in an appropriate stasis.

There are some steroids noted for their thermogenic properties but they are not for the novice and are also noted heavily for their suppression. If you need to resolve an issue with your endogenous testosterone production, it is not wise to begin by pummeling it further down with exogenous synthetic hormones; test, boldenone nor any other.

 

[The Shadow]

Ok....enough is enough...I'm going to state some FACTS here - that way, opinion does not come into play:

1 - You were chronically overtrained

2 - You are on a routine that lends itself to more overtraining(2 a days).

3 - you posted good gains in a short period

4 - you have basically zero hormonal production

Agreed??


Good.




Now - we know that you ARE gaining(despite the complaints that it is too slow), DESPITE the fucked HPTA.


So...after getting everyone opinion, which was actually pretty much the same to the person, you have decided to do what you wanted to do initally - and that is to hit a cycle.


Fine - your body.



Some other facts:

1 - You WILL pay the fiddler sooner or later where the HPTA is concerned....later is never the better option.

2 - Doing things half assed between two extremes will lead to non-optimal results...low dose DEFEATS the purpose of PCT period.

 

[JKurz1]

ok..thnx

 

[JKurz1]

weighed in this am....165lbs...up 20lbs since beginning, abs are faded, bt ethopians have abs at 165 too......eat JEFF..EAT!

FRIDAY AUGUST 4TH, THE NEW BEGINNING (FOR NOW)

WOKE AT 5:30 AND HAD A MY RIPPED FORCE AND 3 BCAA
TRAINED HAMMYS
3 SETS OF EACH 12,10,8
DEADS, GOODMORNINGS, LEG CURL, HACK SQT, FROG LG LEG PRESS
30 MINUTES VERY LOW INT. WALK ON INCLINE 12% TREADMILL (3.0)

decided to wait to after my pm training session for 125mg cyp, 200mg of eq - 10 weeks
will hit every meal…..every single meal!! Got to….plus I got two cheats coming up this weekend
PW SHAKE AT 7:15
1 CUP OATS
12 EG WHITES
1 SCOOP WHEY
1TB OF PB
COFFEE

(FELT LIKE PISS) SO BLOATED, sat on the toilet in the office for 30 minutes
popped 5 dig. Enzymes, and a half of a vicodine (don’t use them often, but I
really felt like my lower abdomen was going to explode)

10am felt better
3/4 cup oats (cold)
in scoop of casein pudiing
scoop of casein protein
9 egg whites

12:30 meal next - either yam or pasta, 8oz beef, large salad

then 300 casein pudding, 10 almonds

430 training chest

 

[BiggT]

whoa....165 and up 20lbs?? So, you were 145lbs at 6 freaking 2?????

Anyway, it is your body and you are an adult, so you're free to do with it what you will. Regardless, I'd like to follow your progress, so I hope you keep posting. I gave my opinion along with everyone else. And, Shadow gave you some solid, black and white facts. Your posts are well-worded, good grammar etc, so you're obviously an intelligent guy, a little neurotic and misguided, yes, and in my opinion you're not fixing the problem at the root......but you're clearly not an idiot, and you're clearly smart enough to absorb information, I still think you're picking and choosing what you want to believe, but you're not a child and you'll untimately do what you want to do....so you've been provided with good info and opinions and you made your choice.

One more thing.....I know you said you're careful, but watch those vicodins, man....that stuff is no joke, and being a little bloated and uncomfy is not a valid excuse to take them......If I drank coffee right after a protein shake, I'd be on the shitter for a half hour too, lol.