Israel has some big nuts

[thebabydoc]

Oppenheimer, along with many other German-born scientists who came to the States after the Nazis took over, was Jewish.

I was gonna specifically include him and Einstein among others but I wasn't 100% sure he was a Jew. Thanks for the info Stumpy.

 

[Strong_Man20]

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!ROTFLMAO!!!

This manure (typing, spelling, and ideas) doesn't even warrant a response.

That is probably because you don’t have a worthy response to make..

Let me guess you’re a Jew right?? or an American..makes no difference I suppose. What part do you think is bullshit then?? The parts were I said Jews are not the victims?? Or do you still believe that Palestine belongs to the Jews?? Please don’t kid your self mate!!

I guess stealing a land calling it your own and then trying to eliminate the people who live there is not an act of terrorism right??

I can go on forever about this topic, but I hate it when guys like you try to fool them selves and make there countries out to be the innocent party.

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

Babydoc.......let's first get this out of the way, there would be no Israel WITHOUT THE U.S. Ok, now I fully realize that there were alot of jews behind the manhatten project, but what does that have to do with "Israel"?? Israel didn't exist until 1948, the manhatten project was started long before that. Now for some physics for you........DEVELOPING A NUCLEAR PROGRAM REQUIRES MORE THAN JUST A ROOMFUL OF SMART SCIENTISTS!! If all it took were smart people than China would be the leading nuclear power in the world. They have some of the most brilliant physicists on the planet, I know this personally due to my father and my Uncle. Up until a few years ago my Uncle ran THE PREMIER polymer physics program IN THE U.S, and therefore one of the top programs in the world. And both of them are invited to the Gordan conference every year. The reason I bring that up is because they are exposed to THE VERY BEST physicists in the world. So why is it than that China had to steal their program?? the logistics involved in a nuclear program just simply go beyond a few smart mother fuckers, or in China's case, a whole fucking shitload of smart mother fuckers. And of course once the physicists manage to spit a hydrogen atom, it's up to the engineers to deliver it in a feasible fashion. So no, Israel would not have had nuclear capability in such a short time without the U.S.......PERIOD!!

and Matt, I'm no way shape or form doubting the Israeli military. I know damn well how tough they are. But making the six day war as an argument that they could have run over all the arab nations is a bit misleading. Without U.S jets in their arsenal they would not have done what they did. Plus, this was back in the sixties, most arab countries mech divisions consisted of WW2 machinery. So of course the Israeli airforce routed them. But were you honestly implying that Israel could have marched it's ground troops all over the mideast?? Matt, you know better than that. Had Israel moved into Iran, Syria, Iraq...whatever.....every able bodied muslim would have picked up an AK-47 and converged on Israel. The muslim world's own divisiveness and unstability has been Israels very strength. But you simply can't deny that without Nukes and the spector of U.S support......if the major Arab countries decided to get together and send troops into Israel, eventually they WOULD overrun it. I mean c'mon, the israeli army is VERY good, but not THAT good. We're talking about MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of muslims, untrained or not, flooding into a tiny country like Israel. Not only would they have the trained armies of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Egypt to deal with......they'd also have the Jihad folks to deal with. Sorry, but both of you know this to be true.

 

[Strong_Man20]

First our nuclear program was run by Oppenheimer a german and his staff was german. It was german scientists along with US scientists that developed and succeeded in creating a nuclear bomb for this country.

Israel did not steal a country. They were invaded and they kicked the shit out of the enemy and took land fair and square.

Third, I don't think that the Marines would win a decisive victory over the Israeli Army. We would win, but it would be a bitter battle to the end.

Arafat is a terrorist himself. He more than likely has given his consent to the acts of terrorism against Israel and possibly funding as well.

When we are done in Afghanistan, we will more than likely turn our attention to Somolia (unfinished business) Iraq (unfinished business) Syria (PAY BACK!) Iran, Lebanon and at the same time we will be wiping the asses of more al qaeda and others in the Phillipines.

I also suspect that we may give Israel a green light to wipe out Palestine and others. Sooner or later, the cry baby middle east people are gonna need to be spanked by Daddy! So, we will be going down there to, into egypt as well.

The world is about to find out what country is the big boy on the block.

Sorry man, but that is the most crock of shit that I have ever read for a long time!!

First of all Jews were not invaded by nobody, the British gave two thirds of Palestine in 1948 to the Jews and they came from Czechoslovakia, Poland, Russia, Germany, Iraq, Yemen and other countries in the ME. You got that?? They were not invaded, that is crap!!

Arafat a terrorist?? Please stop it!! Don’t you realise that he has killed and prisoned many hamas & Jihad fighters. The only reason why Hamas or Jihad cannot kill him is because it will spark a civil war between fatah and hamas, which would put Palestinians behind even further..

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

Strong man, I agree with that. i don't know how many hamas fighters he's had killed though, but he's not a terrorist or sponsors terrorism himself. He's actually quite powerless in the grand scheme of things. Israel is making a mistake in thinking that he can control anything. All the trouble is being sparked by lebanese and Iranian backed groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Arafat has absolutely no power over these groups. That's why I feel sorry for the palestinians sometimes. They're pawns used by the other arab nations. I don't think the other arab nations give a rats ass whether the palestinians get their land back or not, it's just a convenient way for them to get to Israel. I wish Israel and Palestine would come to an agreement that would give the palestinians land back, but the Israeli's would have full military control over those lands. That way Israel could intercept those hamas fuckers before they got close to the mainland.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Strong man, I agree with that. i don't know how many hamas fighters he's had killed though, but he's not a terrorist or sponsors terrorism himself. He's actually quite powerless in the grand scheme of things. Israel is making a mistake in thinking that he can control anything. All the trouble is being sparked by lebanese and Iranian backed groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Arafat has absolutely no power over these groups. That's why I feel sorry for the palestinians sometimes. They're pawns used by the other arab nations. I don't think the other arab nations give a rats ass whether the palestinians get their land back or not, it's just a convenient way for them to get to Israel. I wish Israel and Palestine would come to an agreement that would give the palestinians land back, but the Israeli's would have full military control over those lands. That way Israel could intercept those hamas fuckers before they got close to the mainland.

Bro,

why do you consider hamas to be terrorists?? There actions are totally understandable and justifiable. Dont Palestinians have the right to defend them selves like any other country?? It makes me sick how Palestinians are branded as terrorists yet Israelis are allowed to get away with countless killings everyday. What do you think drives young Palestinians to blow them selves up with explosives??

 

[brainiac]

Third, I don't think that the Marines would win a decisive victory over the Israeli Army. We would win, but it would be a bitter battle to the end.

The world is about to find out what country is the big boy on the block.

Ok Mr. Puller, maybe I stretched that one...As an Ex Marine who rolled with the 2nd FSSG behind Task Force Ripper into Kuwaiti Airport almost 11 years ago I would still say we steam roll them. All we need is a taxi-(the Navy)I wish you all could have seen all the Iraqi POW's in our ISA camps cower and hit the deck and cover their heads whenever one of our jets our helo's flew over. Now THAT was funny.

Oh yea, whoever mentioned the French working with the Jews was right but they got their Nuke technology/materials from the US as well.

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

Bro,

why do you consider hamas to be terrorists?? There actions are totally understandable and justifiable. Dont Palestinians have the right to defend them selves like any other country?? It makes me sick how Palestinians are branded as terrorists yet Israelis are allowed to get away with countless killings everyday. What do you think drives young Palestinians to blow them selves up with explosives??

correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the understanding that Hamas are NOT palestinians. I know Hezbollah are Iranian backed, and I "thought" Hamas was either Iraqi or Syrian backed. Yes I do beleive palestinians have the right to defend themselves. However, I don't think it's palestinians causing trouble. I would bet that "real" palestinians are sick of seeing their friends and family dying and would give anything for a peaceful compromise. But everytime talks get anywhere, they're sabotaged by some act. Now there are people on the Israeli side that are just as guilty of trying to undermine the peace talks as there are on the palestinian side. What the palestinians need to do is route all non-palestinians out of the strip and than form a government or political party that has FULL control over what goes on in palestine, because recent events have made it painfully obvious that Arafat is a clown and always has been. He was "allowed" to speak for the palestinians by the other arab countries. All the while he had terrorist cells moving into the strip right under his nose. I'm sure he knew of it, but what can he do?? They could have killed him at a moments notice if he caused too much trouble for them. And maybe he was in cohoots with this plan the whole time, who knows?? Point is, it's time for him to go and I hope somebody steps in that can level with the Israeli's and back up what he promises. Than, and only than, can pressure be put on Israel to back up what THEY promise. Some previous opinions were correct, Israel could probably sack all of Palestine and probably get away with it. Although I have issues with Israel, I respect them for not having done so already. That shows that there are some good people operating there.

 

[brainiac]

Also-as for the nukes. Does anyone remeber the Rosenbergs? If not for those two spies(yes-they were jewish) not even Russia would have developed nuclear capabilities when they did

 

[thebabydoc]

... I don't think the other arab nations give a rats ass whether the palestinians get their land back or not, it's just a convenient way for them to get to Israel. I wish Israel and Palestine would come to an agreement that would give the palestinians land back, but the Israeli's would have full military control over those lands. That way Israel could intercept those hamas fuckers before they got close to the mainland.

Well put.

But as for you physics-related comments re: building a bomb, Israel had far more than a roomfull of smart scientists. The fact that they put together an atomic bomb WITHOUT the knowldege of the rest of the world for nearly a decade is proof of this. Does anyone here or on earth think that because we built the A-bomb first that no one else could do it without our help or without "stealing" our secrets? Remember it was a "race", and the Germans almost beat us to it. Yes, it's easier to use espionage to leapfrog your program, but you are really being naive if you think that the Israeli's or any other seriously intent military power with $$ couldn't do it (Pakistan, India). The toughest part is getting the necessary amount of weapons-grade plutonium and Israel seems to be the only country in the world concerned about letting the Arabs get a hold of that (1982, Iraqi reactor destroyed).

As for the Rosenbergs, you're such an anti-semite you don't even see the racism in your words anymore. The fact that they were Jews doesn't lessen or worsen or affect the degree of treason; their acts were primarily driven by greed, not Zionism. To try to link the two is just a plain farce.

As for all you arabs and arab-lovers posting on this thread who continue to insist WITHOUT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that the Israelis "stole" the palestinian's land, check out this thread and others by Weapon X:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53597
try a little history lesson. The history of mankind goes way back, much farther than 50-75 years and, believe it or not, we were not the first inhabitants of the good 'ol US of A either.