Is anyone else on juice for medical puposes and also does cycles for BB puposes?

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

I take test enanthat at 200mg every other week for hypogadism caused by a pitiuitary tumor. I also do cycles of higher doses for lifting purposes. I was wondering if anyone else has experience with doing these types of cycles. How should I end the cycle since clomid will not help. Should I just resume my normal Dr. prescribed therapy after my cycle?

 

[buffdoc]

I'm in a similar boat. I use some HCG to keep testicular SIZE up; I was advised to forget Clomid at the end of a cycle and just go back to my maintenance dose (which is cyp 200/week). I do use some anti-e's. but less than I used to.
I'd love to have other comments.

 

[swampmoose]

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theres not alot of bros that post about this. how long have ya'll been on therapy. at such a low dose do you get size by just uping your calories or is that mg amount just maintenance. sorry i didnt have a response that could help ya'll out

 

[WanTtoBeDeisel]

i have a question. how old are you guys, and what caused the need for prescribed drugs? i know one of you said you had a tumor, but whoever said "to keep testical size up," what was that caused from? juicing in the first place? what i mean is are your nuts small and not working right because of juice? and if so everyone on this board has to be nuts(including myself) if these were directly related to gear side effects.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm on HRT, but it isn't because of excessive roid usage. Everypone gets to an age where they either live with low test levels or choose not to. It isn't any different from needing insulin or thyroid medication.

A while back I decided to add a mild "cycle within he therepy" just to have some fun. But if you're at your maximum size, going back to the delegated T level won't maintain the additional size. (See post about losing gains) So, it's kind of a waste. Sure, you can make your weekly dosage higher, but that's where you start running into problems. 200 mgs a week has been shown to be very safe, as well as beneficial toward warding off heart disease. But this is new territory and there's a lot we still don't know. Unfortunately, I don't have another 20 years to wait around for verification. Some people have to be the pioneers. So far, so good.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

I would think that resuming the therapy after a cycle would allow me to keep more gains since I won't go through a period with low test levels as other people do after a cycle. Basically, I would be going from having high test levels to normal levels whereas other people go from high to very low levels before their natural test kicks in.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Good point Fast Twitch. (And one I should have made). I forgot to mention, there was no "crash" at all. But I kept the dosages reasonable.

 

[Stillgoing]

I would think that resuming the therapy after a cycle would allow me to keep more gains since I won't go through a period with low test levels as other people do after a cycle. Basically, I would be going from having high test levels to normal levels whereas other people go from high to very low levels before their natural test kicks in.

I suspect this is right on the money. Those on HRT that also bodybuild and want to do cycles do the cycle then go back to HRT dose. This also has similarities to Dogcrapp's cycling philosophy (but IMO if your not on HRT, or you are for that matter, your "on" all the time).

 

[buffdoc]

i have a question. how old are you guys, and what caused the need for prescribed drugs? i know one of you said you had a tumor, but whoever said "to keep testical size up," what was that caused from? juicing in the first place? what i mean is are your nuts small and not working right because of juice? and if so everyone on this board has to be nuts(including myself) if these were directly related to gear side effects.

I'm in my 40's. Many men have low test levels by the time they're in their 30's, a consequence of aging. I'd been on HRT before I ever cycled. Docs are just starting to look for "hypogonadism" in early middle age. Look and ye shall find, this has been my experience as a doc.
I do the intermittent HCG while cycling to AVOID nut shrinkage. There are many reasons for low levels of test, GH, etc, besides something more extreme like a pituitary tumor. Age and stress are the 2 big ones, IMO. And ditto to what Nelson had to say.

 

[Stillgoing]

I'm in my 40's. Many men have low test levels by the time they're in their 30's, a consequence of aging. I'd been on HRT before I ever cycled. Docs are just starting to look for "hypogonadism" in early middle age. Look and ye shall find, this has been my experience as a doc.
I do the intermittent HCG while cycling to AVOID nut shrinkage. There are many reasons for low levels of test, GH, etc, besides something more extreme like a pituitary tumor. Age and stress are the 2 big ones, IMO. And ditto to what Nelson had to say.

Good post doc, its looking like at age 36 I'm there as well.....