bikinimom said:
I know that you'll be OK, Spectre. It'll take some time, but you are too decent a man to give in to negativity.
YOUR CHILDREN ARE TRULY FORTUNATE.
Here is something that a good friend told me just the other day when the shit hit the fan for me and I was faced with some very tough decisions.
"It isn't our circumstances that determine our character, but the way in which WE CHOOSE to react to them."
I am so sorry for all the pain you are experiencing but, "That which does not destroy us..." And you are far too strong already to let something like SOMEONE ELSE'S weaknesses keep you from flourishing.
BE WELL.![]()
Sinistar said:with all due respect to bikini mom its all this chicks fault.
6 months isnt a one night stand. she kept this from you very well. that alone would make me dump her off NOW.
reguadless of the situation at home, if you want to slut around and your married, do like some of the ppl on here do and bring other ppl in, or divorce the person. theres no excuse for this.
i too am willing to bet that spectre has some fault in the decay of his marrige, that owever doesn not excuse carrying on a moderate term relationship. some may say i live in a perfect world. i say i have some balls and can face facts and stand up. i would never do anything like this cause id have to look myself in the mirror, and it would bother me. not to mention the devastation of the magnitude of the betrayl. i would rather abruptly end a marrige than do what she did. this is far worse.
6 months doesnt strike me as something this girl was twisting herself in knots over. she was having fun
if you can move past this bro, you are either a hell of a man or a glutton for punishment. 10 years, 2 kids...i might have punched her. but like others have said, thats alot of time put in.
i dont envy you on this.
bikinimom said:
Sinistar -
Nobody "just suddenly cheats" because they have a mental lapse. IT HAPPENS BECAUSE SOME NEEDS THEY HAVE ARE NOT BEING MET IN THIER RELATIONSHIP. That does not make it right. I'm only stating a fact.
Actually, some people just like to fuck and it has nothing to do with whether or not their needs are being met in their relationship.
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atlantabiolab said:Too many retarded responses on this thread to even begin with. Most of the male responses sound like they should be coming from women or Democrats; all emotion, no thought.
First, all major events in life are events that demand reflection, i.e. marriage, children, career, etc. Usually we take these ideas for granted and never consider them prior to stepping into them, at least not real contemplation. We only step back and evaluate them after a problem has occurred. If we are true, if we are only searching for truth and not mental masturbation or emotional placation, then we objectively assess all sides. A relationship takes two, as simplistic as this sounds, it is true. We can tell ourselves, "well I never cheated", or "I was always there", "or "I always told you I love you", etc., but the question remains, "What did I DO to demonstrate my feelings and commitments". You may have "been" there, but doing nothing produces nothing, you cannot remain neutral in a relationship and expect it to work.
Second, women are not men, and never the tween shall meet. We are not wired the same. Our actions are ours alone and gender is no excuse for actions, since they require conscious thought, but gender does affect the way one "looks" at situations. Words have little meaning unless there is action to demonstrate their convictions. This is a failing of men. We think that words are actions and women know it is not. Women desire the action of "value", the conscious expression of the emotion of "love", not the spoken idea. Thus the idea of romance. The idea that one thinks about another and wants to demonstrate his thoughts of her. Men, being too stupid, do not understand this concept, and do not realize that this concept is key to their happiness also. Doing "good" produces "good" emotions. We feed off of the emotions of others. If we make our spouse happy, we become happy. If our spouse is upset, we are upset.
Finally, Spectre "values" his wife and marriage, since he voices his desire not to see it fail. Even though there is a breach of trust, he still values the idea, the concept, of what his wife and marriage means to him. His wife has forgotten this idea, but she may be regretful and full of guilt. If so, then it will work. Guilt and regret are good, they are the emotions created when we let down our value system. We don't feel regret about things that we don't care about, only those that we value. Guilt and regret will last your whole life and act as a guide for future actions, they remind us what not to do, what makes us "feel" bad, what we don't like about ourselves.
You must understand the word "value" to determine your actions. Value denotes scarcity and loss. We value those things that we desire and is in limited quantity. As humans, we have a limited time on earth, so we don't want to live it in search of the "one true love", which is a fantasy, because there are thousands if not more people who we could easily "love". We fall in love with another when we find a person who meets our image of "self", a culmination of characteristics that we hold dear in our mind: beauty, morals, desires, passions, etc. When we meet a person, and we realize that this person reflects our inner self, the emotion of "love" develops, it is a direct result of our mind, the center of our value system. We love things that we value.
Spectre must take into consideration all the aspects of marriage that he values and those that he does not and determine if he should stay. Does he value his wife, is she a reflection of himself, does she hold the same values as he? Does he value the idea of being with her, even though he has no control over her actions? Is control more valuable than the happiness he derives from her and his marriage? She cannot hurt him anymore, he knows the situation, so nothing will shock him. You are not shocked by that which you know.
People make mistakes, big mistakes, but if they are truly regretful about their actions, then they deserve forgiveness, they don't deserve trust, which they must earn, but forgiveness to make good for their failings. Regret and restitution for a mistake is a major value that is limited in people, do not brush it to the side. Man values one who holds himself to his word and stands to judgement when he fails. Spectre should not give up before his wife has chance to make amends, it will let him decide if his wife truly is a reflection of his morals.
From what you have stated it is obvious that your wife is not a whore. A whore has no care for her actions, she could care less if one knows that she is a whore. One who hides their actions, although they personally deny it to themselves and make rationalizations and excuses for their actions, knows deep inside that what they are doing is wrong. Actions tell the story, not the words. She is also the mother of your children, which I hope has the utmost importance to you. You decided that this woman was to be your companion in life until death, even in hard times. Now are the hard times, your wife has failed in the test of commitment, now test yourself as well.
KAYNE said:CHEATING DOESNT HAPPEN B/C SHE ISNT GETTING ALL HER NEEDS FROM HER RELATIONSHIP (THOUGH, SOMETIMES THAT IS TRUE). CHEATING HAPPENS CUZ THE BITCH WANTED TO FUCK SOMEONE ELSE.
KAYNE
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