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I guess I'm no longer a parent

I know you're not too old to empathize with the girl because I'm older than you and I can. Lack of empathy is a quick path to failure as a parent. She's at a difficult age, but that's not a sufficient reason for alienation. There must be more to it than just rules regarding music and foul language. You need to put yourself in her shoes.

Otherwise, all you can hope for at this point is that she learned enough good values from you prior to the alienation, to get her through the coming years without your influence.

One thing you can't do is force your beliefs on her, she will rebel. If you're proselytizing, or making her go to a strange church where she doesn't know anybody, this cannot succeed in helping her see your point of view. You have to pick your battles.
 
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B - you've got 2 challenges going into this one - 1) she's 13, 2) she has 2 sets of parents with apparently different sets of rules, yours being the stricter. My opinion is that I think your rules about the music and the cursing are totally appropriate. I was 30 before I could comfortably say "damn" in front of my parents. The music they weren't too worried about -- if anything my brother would crank his Ozzy Ozbourne & AC/DC and then lock his door so EVERYONE had to listen to it. I still dont' think even most heavy metal is nearly as rancid as today's rap tho. The approach my parents took with swearing (and note I was a really good kid, but it was acceptable among my friends to say f***, etc.) was to let me know that 1) it was disrespectful and 2) it reflected poorly on me, my education, my command of the English language and just generally poor "breeding" and would count against me when I had to go out & make my way in society.

When you are dealing w/ a child (and 13 is still a child), it never seems to get you much when you just say "This is the way this is in my house and you will respect me'". Because the kid is now "13" and starting to feel more worldly wise, etc. so if you can expand the purpose of not swearing and an awareness of the same disrespectful and ignorant use of the language in the music she listens to will continue to be seen as reflection of your daughter as she goes out into the world. And in that arena, swearing and poor choice in music are viewed as characteristics of lower, more ignorant, less respectful and respectable levels of society. Does she view herself as the trash of society? Then why should she act like it? If she acts like it, she will be treated like it.

She may not acknowledge this approach immediately but I think it might strike a chord with her about how she presents herself outside the tiny little world of her and her little urban wannabe hoodlums.... Just like you said, and I know every adult I know now, including myself, didn't appreciate the strict rules their parents gave them when they were kids because we all thought we knew it all and our parents were just old fogey sticks-in-the-mud who cramped our lifestyle and "just didn't get it". I think you need to continue maintaining your rules because without them she will lose her bounds of what is acceptable and what isn't as she grows up. She may fight you the whole way, but at least she will be aware of the unacceptability of her actions. Some people just grow up simply not knowing the difference and spend the rest of their lives trying to figure out why people don't accept them as intelligent and respectable people worthy of respect.

I hope anyway.

I also wanted to say that maybe when she acts like she doesn't need you anymore, maybe you can indicate to her that YOU need her. She needs to know that you will always be there unconditionally. Especially when she gets a couple years older and realizes that the big world out there is a bit tougher than she thought she was. Its when kids feel they have no where to turn that they are truly lost.
 
Sassy69 said:
B - you've got 2 challenges going into this one - 1) she's 13, 2) she has 2 sets of parents with apparently different sets of rules, yours being the stricter. My opinion is that I think your rules about the music and the cursing are totally appropriate. I was 30 before I could comfortably say "damn" in front of my parents. The music they weren't too worried about -- if anything my brother would crank his Ozzy Ozbourne & AC/DC and then lock his door so EVERYONE had to listen to it. I still dont' think even most heavy metal is nearly as rancid as today's rap tho. The approach my parents took with swearing (and note I was a really good kid, but it was acceptable among my friends to say f***, etc.) was to let me know that 1) it was disrespectful and 2) it reflected poorly on me, my education, my command of the English language and just generally poor "breeding" and would count against me when I had to go out & make my way in society.

When you are dealing w/ a child (and 13 is still a child), it never seems to get you much when you just say "This is the way this is in my house and you will respect me'". Because the kid is now "13" and starting to feel more worldly wise, etc. so if you can expand the purpose of not swearing and an awareness of the same disrespectful and ignorant use of the language in the music she listens to will continue to be seen as reflection of your daughter as she goes out into the world. And in that arena, swearing and poor choice in music are viewed as characteristics of lower, more ignorant, less respectful and respectable levels of society. Does she view herself as the trash of society? Then why should she act like it? If she acts like it, she will be treated like it.

She may not acknowledge this approach immediately but I think it might strike a chord with her about how she presents herself outside the tiny little world of her and her little urban wannabe hoodlums.... Just like you said, and I know every adult I know now, including myself, didn't appreciate the strict rules their parents gave them when they were kids because we all thought we knew it all and our parents were just old fogey sticks-in-the-mud who cramped our lifestyle and "just didn't get it". I think you need to continue maintaining your rules because without them she will lose her bounds of what is acceptable and what isn't as she grows up. She may fight you the whole way, but at least she will be aware of the unacceptability of her actions. Some people just grow up simply not knowing the difference and spend the rest of their lives trying to figure out why people don't accept them as intelligent and respectable people worthy of respect.

I hope anyway.

I also wanted to say that maybe when she acts like she doesn't need you anymore, maybe you can indicate to her that YOU need her. She needs to know that you will always be there unconditionally. Especially when she gets a couple years older and realizes that the big world out there is a bit tougher than she thought she was. Its when kids feel they have no where to turn that they are truly lost.

Thank you for that well thought out post. That took effort and I appreciate that. Good advice. Although I don't agree with some of you, I thank you for your imput and opinions as well. :)
 
BiteMe,

You are a fool. She needs your guidance the most. You have to understand she is now growing up so she thinks she knows everything. If my parents let me do what I wanted when I was 13 I would be dead by the time I reached 15. Be a father, and take the fact that she is going to probably hate you and think your the biggest dink on the planet for the next 4-5 years. Yes it sux, but you need to understand if you don't wing for her know she will hate you even more for it ... for the REST of your life.



biteme said:
My daughter has rarely been over here in over 2 months since she has turned 13. She says that I'm too strict. All I ask is that she doesn't curse and doesn't play her music where I can hear it. If that's asking too much, too bad. I have to admit, it hurts a little though. I guess she's reached that age. Doesn't need me anymore unless she needs money or a car.
 
B;

Lifting you and your daughter up.

Feel compelled to say this: "Don't be so heavenly-minded that you're no earthly good."

Set reasonable boundaries and stick to them. You're the boss, and she's not. Having said that, let her know without a doubt that you love her unconditionally, and that you're there for her. (just as He has been for you)

She may resent you now, but one day she'll understand.
 
Kids do grow up and want to move away from the parents. Its only natural. Me, I can't wait because then I can move on with the other things in life that I wanted to do.
 
biteme said:
Yes. It just leaves a void because I was so use to taking care of her and doing things for her. I didn't think she really meant it, but it appears she's fine without me. I've heard that they do this and then come around again when they turn 18 or so. Life and relationships are always changing.
wheres she staying then?

she prolly has ab oyfriend and dont wanna let u know about it is what id think. just be there for her when she needs you i guess is all you CAN do
 
Biteme, I quit getting my daughter on weekends when she was around that age, I live in an apartment and don't really have anything for a teenage girl to do. Instead, since I only live 5 min from her, I started doing things like picking her up from school, taking her to lunch or dinner, driving her and her friends to the movies or to the waterpark and talk to her online everynight. I make it a point to say I love you and goodnight everynight online. She is 16 now and I think we are very close. Good Luck to you bro.


Dave
 
IvanOffelitch said:
Feel compelled to say this: "Don't be so heavenly-minded that you're no earthly good."


WERD


I have a lot of trouble with some of my daughters on occasion and I have learned. My oldest used me and my family to the nth degree for a year.

That shit got old real fast.

Let her be where she wants to be but dont stop calling and extending yourself. Keep telling her that you love her, even though she wont say it back.

That is our job as parents.

I am not saying that you should EVER take abuse, but YOU must be the one to continue to offer love first.... I mean you are the one that brought her here... arent you?
 
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