I grew up in a world that didn't have cardio...

[Spartacus]

anybody have some pics of over 60 bodybuilders...and they need to be bodybuilders that have continued to lift/train...I don't think you can find me a pic of an over 60 BB who has continued to train thats "fucking gross"...on another note much of longevity and how well you age is genetics..I'm a mortician and last month I embalmed an 82 yr old ~400lb women..I'll bet she hadn't done any cardio in 50 years..amazing that she was 82..on the death certificate the primary cuase of death was "morbidly obese"...also the point I was making about the old runner is that given that he had the drive and energy to keep exercising in to his 60/70s..I'll maintain that he would have been healthier and look better had he primarily focused on resistance training..and for the record I feel that cardio is beneficial..just that there are diminishing returns..do a 20-30 minute bout,but do the resistance traing as your exercise focus

 

[Dooley]

Apparantly you all forgot about the underlying cause of fatloss.. it's a caloric deficit. Granted some muscular size can decrease due to this deficit, but more calories expended + fewer calories consumed = loss of bodyfat. Cardio machines aren't ALWAYS necessary to lose weight. This is where the mentioning on diet is important.. heavy weight training burns lots of calories. So does regular aerobic activity. Moving and making your muscles active = calories burned. Also.. the more muscle mass and active tissue carried = more calories burned.

I guess I'm a middle of the road guy on the topic.. I don't do cardio, but I'm on my feet all day long. I don't seem to get winded very easily, and all I do is lift heavy 5 days a week. Do your aerobic activity if you want.. it has beneficial lipid profile, circulatory, and blood pressure properties.

Also.. SG.. just an observation.. back in the 50's and 60's.. scientists didn't have any clue about how the human body worked. They didn't understand the cellular functions of the body, or much of anything else about diet for that matter. Weight loss wasn't important back then.. so as a result of this stairmaster and treadmill phase, scientists have been able to drastically increase their knowledge of how the human body functions down to the tiniest organism in the body. There are far fewer things that havn't been researched and further understood since the start of the exercise trend.

 

[Ulter]

Sidebar:

"scientists didn't have any clue about how the human body worked. They didn't understand the cellular functions of the body, or much of anything else about diet for that matter"

It's not just 50's and 60's it's 2003. After spending nearly a billion dollars over 30 years studying muscle they still don't understand everything about how they work. If they did there would be no Muscular Dystrophy.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

With my expirience, cardio is a MUST if your major goal is fat loss. For you guys who don't belive cardio is good for anything, try telling that to my father who had a quad bipass at 48! Cardio is a main reason he is alive today and that is not coming from me, not coming from him, it's coming from the people who diagnosed his condition and preformed the operation.

M18

 

[SofaGeorge]

How much cardio did George Burns and Bob Hope do to reach 100?

 

[MUSTANG_18]

How much cardio did George Burns and Bob Hope do to reach 100?

How can you ask that ? You don't know what they did and didn't do in there personal lives. Chances are they didn't do much cardio, but they may have. Just because of a couple people were lucky enough to make it to that age does not mean a thing. Your baing your opinion on 2 people with that statement. Cardio does help keep the heart healthy, directly or indirectly. Either way, I think I'll keep doing my cardio. To each his own

M18

 

[poantrex]

Not only did I lose a ton of fat and inches off my waist with high intensity cardio (with little to no change in diet), it improved my insulin sensitivity and blood pressure immensely.

If you're too lazy for cardio, don't do it...but to brush it off as not being useful is idiocy.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Even I'm getting sick of this and a good portion of my book explains how aerobics suck.

This is what I see...

There are people that believe aerobics are good for the heart and there's nothing that's going to change their mind. That's what they've heard and that's what they want to believe. End of story.

Ulter; I know you know your shit, but would you listen to doctor on cycle advice? I bet not. So what makes you think they know what they're talking about when it comes to exercise? They study drugs more than they study exercise.

All he studies about the benifits of aerobics are in comparison to no exercise at all.

Everyone who claims to have lost fat with aerobics did so beause prior to doing aerobics they were doing nothing.

But again, once some peoples minds are made up, all the logic in the world won't change it. That's okay. They're entitled to do things a less effective way if they like.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Even I'm getting sick of this and a good portion of my book explains how aerobics suck.

This is what I see...

There are people that believe aerobics are good for the heart and there's nothing that's going to change their mind. That's what they've heard and that's what they want to believe. End of story.

Ulter; I know you know your shit, but would you listen to doctor on cycle advice? I bet not. So what makes you think they know what they're talking about when it comes to exercise? They study drugs more than they study exercise.

All he studies about the benifits of aerobics are in comparison to no exercise at all.

Everyone who claims to have lost fat with aerobics did so beause prior to doing aerobics they were doing nothing.

But again, once some peoples minds are made up, all the logic in the world won't change it. That's okay. They're entitled to do things a less effective way if they like.

Hey! This dork is diss'ing cardio. Quick - everybody attack him! Kick his ass! Send him back to the stone age!!!!!!














































j/k

Cardio sucks dog balls.

 

[Ulter]

Ulter; I know you know your shit, but would you listen to doctor on cycle advice? I bet not. So what makes you think they know what they're talking about when it comes to exercise? They study drugs more than they study exercise.

Yes I would because my doctor is Dr Ramon Scruggs. But I understand where you're going.
We won't change each others minds on this so let's just call it a draw.