I am headed back to bodybuilding!

[louden_swain]

Well I have decided that I am going to start training like a bodybuilder once again. This time, my weights will range between 8 and 10. . . I think this will help save my joints. I must say that pwr_machine and needsize have a strong influence in my decision. . .I say this because they have made considerable progress.

In bodybuilding, you can still develop a strong body that is useful for sports.

Here are the muscle groups and the exercises that I will use in my training. Shoot some ideas. . .


THIGHS

1. Squats - 4 x 8-10
2. Leg Presses - 2 x 8-12
3. Leg Extensions - 2 x 8-12

HAMSTRINGS

1. Lying Leg Curls - 4 x 8-12

BACK

1. Barbell Rows - 3 x 8-10
2. Seated Pulley Rows - 3 x 8-10
3. Partial Deadlifts - 3 x 8-10
4. Dumbbell Shrugs - 3 x 8-12

CHEST

1. Incline Barbell Presses - 3 x 8-10
2. Hammer Strength Flat Presses - 2 x 8-10
3. Flat DB Flyes - 2 x 8-12

DELTS

1. Seated Barbell Presses - 3 x 8-10
2. Up Right Rows - 3 x 8-10
3. Dumbbell Laterals - 3 x 8-10

TRICEPS

1. Lying French Presses - 3 x 8-10
2. Cable Press-Downs - 3 x 8-10

BICEPS

1. Barbell Curls - 3 x 8-10
2. Incline DB Curls - 2 x 8-10

FOREARMS

1. Behind the Back Wrist Curls - 3 x 8-10
2. Reverse Barbell Wrist Curls - 3 x 8-10

CALVES

1. Standing Toe Raises - 3 x 8-10
2. Seated Toe Raises - 3 x 8-10

ABS

1. Pulley Crunches - 1 x 40
2. Decline Crunches - 1 x 40
3. Reverse Crunches - 1 x 25

This is a lot more volume that I am used to, but I think it will be good for building some muscular endurance.

What do you guys think??

 

[pwr_machine]

I can assure you that it was a VERY tough decision for me to give up powerlifting. In time, I'll know that it was a wise decision. Like other members of Elite, we share a desire to train and train hard at that. Today, I work around all those nagging injuries with the challenge to force my body to grow. It's the same challenge I used to face when I'd force my body to get stronger. I'm truly competing against myself. I will GROW! Find what works and go with it! Good luck to you Louden.

 

[louden_swain]

I can assure you that it was a VERY tough decision for me to give up powerlifting. In time, I'll know that it was a wise decision. Like other members of Elite, we share a desire to train and train hard at that. Today, I work around all those nagging injuries with the challenge to force my body to grow. It's the same challenge I used to face when I'd force my body to get stronger. I'm truly competing against myself. I will GROW! Find what works and go with it! Good luck to you Louden.

Thanks!!

I would certainly be interested in helping me design a new split routine.

 

[Generic MALE]

WHat about periodization? I too have alot of injuries at this time as I had been lifting as heavy as I can, with progressive poundages for about 6 months and now have a bad ischial bursitis, torn rotator cuff, tensor fascia lata tendonitis, and a few other things.

I am taking a full week off - then plan on more of a bb'ing style, but will intersperse powerlifting type lifts. Maybe 8 weeks of one and 8 of another.

 

[JOKER47]

Well I have decided that I am going to start training like a bodybuilder once again. This time, my weights will range between 8 and 10. . . I think this will help save my joints. I must say that pwr_machine and needsize have a strong influence in my decision. . .I say this because they have made considerable progress.

In bodybuilding, you can still develop a strong body that is useful for sports.

Pfffttttt.....Bodybuilder.....



j/k bro.

Seriously, sounds like you are making the right choice. With the injury's you have been posting up lately, this might just what you need.
Keep us posted as to how your injury's are repairing themselves, or if they are. There would something for all of us to learn as you heal.

Joker

 

[louden_swain]

WHat about periodization? I too have alot of injuries at this time as I had been lifting as heavy as I can, with progressive poundages for about 6 months and now have a bad ischial bursitis, torn rotator cuff, tensor fascia lata tendonitis, and a few other things.

I am taking a full week off - then plan on more of a bb'ing style, but will intersperse powerlifting type lifts. Maybe 8 weeks of one and 8 of another.

Sounds like your body is broken down as well. Sounds like a good plan.

most of the weights I plan on using will be around around 68-75 percent of my max.

There will be small increases in weights each week.

 

[sconoscuito]

hey man that stuff sounds really good but how would you do these like day wise if you know what I mean...

like monday: THIGHS, harmstring, back
then tuesday: chest etc

or how would u do it cause it sounds like a good plan tht I would like to jump on too..

 

[thebrute]

hey i'm behind ya 100% brotha...go for it!! tb

 

[needsize]

Same choice I made years ago when my body really started to give out, smartest thing I've ever done (next to marry my wife)

 

[Debaser]

No offense man but it seems like you're ignoring your injuries hoping that they will go away. They will only get worse. As you build up more and more scar tissue, the natural movement of your joints will be impeded to such a degree that you will be in constant pain, not to mention being unable to lift a weight.

I hope you realize that I am not trying to discourage you in any way, only to try and ensure your safety.

 

[Parabellum]

I think SLDL will benefit you more than lying Leg Curls.

Keep us posted.

 

[longarms]

But how's your squat?

 

[louden_swain]

But how's your squat?

Longarms, is this question for me or parabellum?

 

[Mike_Rojas]

Keep us posted, Swain

 

[DrBones]

Best of luck buddy!
I've been contemplating lifting lighter lately too...
I guess I'll have to just see what happens

 

[WalkingBeast]

No offense man but it seems like you're ignoring your injuries hoping that they will go away. Away as in "leave".. They WILL only get worse. This is a fact! As you build up more and more scar tissue, the natural movement of your joints will be impeded to such a degree that your limbs will fall off, not to mention being unable to lift a weight.

I hope you realize that I am not trying to discourage you in any way or be an ASSHOLE, but "Hard Gainer" magazine states all of the above as fact! Im here to ENFORCE and ENSURE your safety! Since it is MY responsibility I am going to tell you what to do, and state everything I say as FACT!

Fucking asshole.....Looks like a real solid routine though Louden. Sounds like a good idea to me. Ive been working around my tendonitus by just switching grip on certain back exercises, and changing to other back movements. I think its always good to switch between PLing and BBing. Powerlifting can put alot of stress on your joints,depending on how you train, sometimes a rest can be good, and youll develop more mass at the same time. Later you can always go back.

 

[ArmaniMark]

I think SLDL will benefit you more than lying Leg Curls.

Keep us posted.

I was thinking the exact same thing.......

 

[WalkingBeast]

Back to the imbellicle bob as they say...

 

[thebrute]

Fucking asshole.....Looks like a real solid routine though Louden. Sounds like a good idea to me. Ive been working around my tendonitus by just switching grip on certain back exercises, and changing to other back movements. I think its always good to switch between PLing and BBing. Powerlifting can put alot of stress on your joints,depending on how you train, sometimes a rest can be good, and youll develop more mass at the same time. Later you can always go back.

oh..btw, i like your new signature brotha. and if you do have tendonitis, some anti-inflammatories might help like aleve or something. i remember doing shirt work for the first time i had some bouts with tendonitis(loved that pain though!!). oh and just ignore debaser, louden. we're behind ya brotha!! tb

 

[WalkingBeast]

oh..btw, i like your new signature brotha. and if you do have tendonitis, some anti-inflammatories might help like aleve or something. i remember doing shirt work for the first time i had some bouts with tendonitis(loved that pain though!!). oh and just ignore debaser, louden. we're behind ya brotha!! tb

hehe thanX Brute! Nice. Havent tried Alieve. What about Motrin? I have these Motrin 800 pills the Doc gave me when I busted my knuckle on the power rack. Wonder if theyd help? Ya like tendonitus pain huh? hehe It surely pisses me off

Expect to see alot of progress from you Louden!!!!

 

[NWinters]

No offense man but it seems like you're ignoring your injuries hoping that they will go away. They will only get worse. As you build up more and more scar tissue, the natural movement of your joints will be impeded to such a degree that you will be in constant pain, not to mention being unable to lift a weight.

I hope you realize that I am not trying to discourage you in any way, only to try and ensure your safety.

Maybe we all should stop lifting so Debaser will stop bitchin'

 

[WalkingBeast]

Maybe we all should stop lifting so Debaser will stop bitchin'

haha I had a slightly different , more violent suggestion

 

[RusPA81]

Well I have decided that I am going to start training like a bodybuilder once again. This time, my weights will range between 8 and 10. . . I think this will help save my joints. I must say that pwr_machine and needsize have a strong influence in my decision. . .I say this because they have made considerable progress.

In bodybuilding, you can still develop a strong body that is useful for sports.

Here are the muscle groups and the exercises that I will use in my training. Shoot some ideas. . .


THIGHS

1. Squats - 4 x 8-10
2. Leg Presses - 2 x 8-12
3. Leg Extensions - 2 x 8-12

HAMSTRINGS

1. Lying Leg Curls - 4 x 8-12

BACK

1. Barbell Rows - 3 x 8-10
2. Seated Pulley Rows - 3 x 8-10
3. Partial Deadlifts - 3 x 8-10
4. Dumbbell Shrugs - 3 x 8-12

CHEST

1. Incline Barbell Presses - 3 x 8-10
2. Hammer Strength Flat Presses - 2 x 8-10
3. Flat DB Flyes - 2 x 8-12

DELTS

1. Seated Barbell Presses - 3 x 8-10
2. Up Right Rows - 3 x 8-10
3. Dumbbell Laterals - 3 x 8-10

TRICEPS

1. Lying French Presses - 3 x 8-10
2. Cable Press-Downs - 3 x 8-10

BICEPS

1. Barbell Curls - 3 x 8-10
2. Incline DB Curls - 2 x 8-10

FOREARMS

1. Behind the Back Wrist Curls - 3 x 8-10
2. Reverse Barbell Wrist Curls - 3 x 8-10

CALVES

1. Standing Toe Raises - 3 x 8-10
2. Seated Toe Raises - 3 x 8-10

ABS

1. Pulley Crunches - 1 x 40
2. Decline Crunches - 1 x 40
3. Reverse Crunches - 1 x 25

This is a lot more volume that I am used to, but I think it will be good for building some muscular endurance.

What do you guys think??

It will definately be easier on your body. I was doing 5x5, 5x3 for so long that i think I damaged all my joints. I am now on HST and I feel far better. although the higher reps at times make feel like puking. The growth seems to be good and strenght so far is good too.

 

[Prime Rib]

Louden, you WILL grow with your new split and you WILL see some awesome gains.

I recently went over to the BB side, and haven't looked back since. My elbow doesn't hurt anymore, my shoulder doesn't hurt anymore, and my body as a whole feels more solid and endured. One things for sure, I can now move MUCH more weight many more times than when I was powerlifting. Now each muscle feels like it can keep going and going no matter how hard I push.

Good luck Swain, you will definately see new growth and less pain.


Josh

 

[Debaser]

haha I had a slightly different , more violent suggestion

I'm starting to think you're just a troll. And a stupid one at that.

 

[guldukat]

Maybe we all should stop lifting so Debaser will stop bitchin'

Err...why are you and WB busting his chops about that advice?

Louden's injuries have caused him some pretty serious pain; he NEEDS someone to tell him what Debaser just did. Yeah, it'd entail some time off, but so what? Better to take off time now, heal up and receive some treatment than to make things worse and not be able to lift at all, no?

Debaser never said Louden should just quit lifting forever. Please, lay off guys...this is getting seriously uncool.

 

[Debaser]

I'm starting to think you're just a troll. And a stupid one at that.

Perhaps this was a bit hasty. Allow me to explain WHY I said this:

Elitefitness is a DISCUSSION BOARD. Many of us would like to take it a step further and call it a COMMUNITY. Maybe you missed Louden's post where he had a laundry list of injuries, probably all amassed from his several years of training (most injuries will only get worse not being addressed). Now, WHAT GOOD does it do for you to be a mindless automoton and simply say "HELL YEAH! HIT THAT SHIT HARD BRO!" I mean, you basically said the EXACT SAME THING to a TEENAGER who is going to use a gram of gear when he's 180 lbs at 6'3" tall. You're doing a serious disservice and rationalizing things for posters, which is EXACTLY what they want to hear. You have no concern for their safety in either case (and who knows what other posts). And you say that I'm an asshole (and also make up something I didn't say) for trying to open his eyes to his health, which is surely at hand. You are the irresponsible one, and exactly what these posters DO NOT need.

 

[louden_swain]

Well folks,

I did put in a session last night. . I didn't post because I was too tired. Here is how it went:

1. Barbell Rows - 135lbs x 10, 225lbs x 10, 255lbs x 10, 275lbs x 10
2. Seated Pulley Rows - 150lbs x 10, 200lbs x 10, 220lbs x 10
3. Dumbbell Shrugs - 120lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12
4. Hyperextensions - 2 x 25 @ bodyweight

1. Standing EZ Bar Curls - 3 x 10 @ 70lbs

1. Dumbbell Wrist Curls - 3 x 10 @ 30lbs
2. Reverse Barbell Wrist Curls - 3 x 10 @ 60lbs

Everything felt great and I broke a good sweat. Most of all, I didn't feel any negative pain in any of the joints!!! My body is feeling better each day. . there are some minor aches and pains here and there.

Here is the plan for tomorrow:

1. Squats - 135lbs x 10, 225lbs x 10, 275lbs x 10, 335lbs x 10
2. Leg Presses - 6pps x 10, 8pps x 10
3. Leg Extensions - 150lbs x 10, 180lbs x 10
4. Lying Leg Curls - 80lbs x 10, 100lbs x 10, 120lbs x 10

1. Seated Toe Raises - 2ps x 40, 3ps x 20, 3.5ps x 15, 4 ps x 12
2. Standing Toe Raises - 200lbs 12, 250lbs x 10

1. Pulley Crunches - 1 x 40
2. Decline Crunches - 1 x 40
3. Reverse Crunches - 1 x 40


The lighter weights feel great. . .I feel like I can get a nice supply of blood around the muscles, tendons, and ligaments.

Thanks for all of the suggestions.. keep your comments coming.

I am still unsure on how I will design a split routine.

 

[from zero]

Nice workout swain. I hope all goes well for you with your decision. Continue to post your progress bud.

Go hit the buffet broly.

 

[louden_swain]

Nice workout swain. I hope all goes well for you with your decision. Continue to post your progress bud.

Go hit the buffet broly.

I shall do!!

Are you still following old-school?

 

[from zero]

Are you still following old-school?

Yeah broly. My core is definitely getting stronger. I'm starting to feel more and more comfortable with my squat as well. In fact, everything is getting stronger. I'm hovering around 190 right now too.

Tonight I'm planning on changing it up for the night and going for some heavy singles on deads. Maybe even a PR.

 

[louden_swain]

Same choice I made years ago when my body really started to give out, smartest thing I've ever done (next to marry my wife)

Nice to hear from you Needsize.

I have decided that my bodytype is better suited for building muscle than hoisting crazy weights.

For one, my joints aren't thick and secondly, my limbs are relatively long. I have always had to build a lot of muscle to become stronger.

I now train a lot like you except I am not using 5 x 5.

 

[louden_swain]

Yeah broly. My core is definitely getting stronger. I'm starting to feel more and more comfortable with my squat as well. In fact, everything is getting stronger. I'm hovering around 190 right now too.

Tonight I'm planning on changing it up for the night and going for some heavy singles on deads. Maybe even a PR.

From Zero,

You will be amazed how extra bodyweight/weight can can influence your strength levels!!

Sounds like you are making good progress.

Keep us posted. . I am always inspired by your training journal. . it helps keep the motivation up!

 

[PolishHammer1977]

Nice workout LS.

I always knew you would go back to the BB game. You will master this game as you have the others. The Hammer is supporting you brutha.

How did you feel after those 10 rep sets for squats? Yack?

 

[louden_swain]

Nice workout LS.

I always knew you would go back to the BB game. You will master this game as you have the others. The Hammer is supporting you brutha.

How did you feel after those 10 rep sets for squats? Yack?

Actually, that workout is to come tomorrow evening.

High rep squats always make me want to lose my lunch!!

 

[WalkingBeast]

Perhaps this was a bit hasty. Allow me to explain WHY I said this:

Elitefitness is a DISCUSSION BOARD. Many of us would like to take it a step further and call it a COMMUNITY. Maybe you missed Louden's post where he had a laundry list of injuries, probably all amassed from his several years of training (most injuries will only get worse not being addressed). Now, WHAT GOOD does it do for you to be a mindless automoton and simply say "HELL YEAH! HIT THAT SHIT HARD BRO!" I mean, you basically said the EXACT SAME THING to a TEENAGER who is going to use a gram of gear when he's 180 lbs at 6'3" tall. You're doing a serious disservice and rationalizing things for posters, which is EXACTLY what they want to hear. You have no concern for their safety in either case (and who knows what other posts). And you say that I'm an asshole (and also make up something I didn't say) for trying to open his eyes to his health, which is surely at hand. You are the irresponsible one, and exactly what these posters DO NOT need.

Then ..Lets all come together and ban me.... Yea I know Im an ugly fucker, a troll...One that would rip your skin off, and pull your insides out through your lipless mouth. But of course Im just making conversation....

 

[WalkingBeast]

Real strong workout Louden! Awesome!

 

[Debaser]

Then ..Lets all come together and ban me.... Yea I know Im an ugly fucker, a troll...One that would rip your skin off, and pull your insides out through your lipless mouth. But of course Im just making conversation....

If you're uncomfortable with your appearance then that's your issue, but that's not the definition of troll that I was referring to. Maybe you should go help that kid out who is probably now wondering why he's losing his hair when everyone said he was the MAN for doing a gram of gear a week.

 

[WalkingBeast]

If you're uncomfortable with your appearance then that's your issue, but that's not the definition of troll that I was referring to. Maybe you should go help that kid out who is probably now wondering why he's losing his hair when everyone said he was the MAN for doing a gram of gear a week.

Im very comfortable with my appearence. This is how I choose to be. So people like yourself stay the fuck away from me. Kind of like a warning you could say. When did I ever suggest someone do a gram a week?

 

[guldukat]

I like you, WB, but I honestly don't see why Debaser deserved being called an asshole. He was simply concerned for Louden's injuries, and he's got a point: simply training somewhat lighter is a partial solution at best.

Now, I wouldn't characterize you as a troll. You've been positive 99% of the time However, it wouldn't hurt to relax a little dude...telling Debaser to stay out of your way, that you'll skin him, serving warnings etc. is extreme, not like the "you" I have seen elsewhere in the forum.

There's no reason we all cannot get along here. EF has consistently impressed me with the camaraderie shared among its members, something I cannot say for many websites.

Feuding is energy better spent on the iron.

 

[t3c]

good luck man! keep us posted

 

[thebrute]

Maybe we all should stop lifting so Debaser will stop bitchin'

yea really.....
its seem all his fuckin posts are all negative!! tb

 

[guldukat]

If being "negative" means giving the best advice Debaser knows how, not simply telling Louden want he wants to hear, that negativity is the most valuable thing anyone's said in this thread. I also think he happens to have a point: Louden should at least be reminded to proceed very carefully.

More importantly, I am a little dishearted to see three of you dogging Debaser for no good reason. How does bashing him remotely help Ian/Swain?

This stuff makes me wonder...is all this "brother" talk and the pats on the back for PRs only extended to people who flatter us in turn? Is that it?

I stick up for what I believe in, and I firmly believe attacking Debaser like this is not cool, guys. I see no grounds to call him names and even less so to start talking about his posting habits in general, which are not only off-topic but simply not true.

I'll ask once more, respectfully, ease up guys. This isn't the EF I know.

 

[crew9]

If being "negative" means giving the best advice Debaser knows how, not simply telling Louden want he wants to hear, that negativity is the most valuable thing anyone's said in this thread. I also think he happens to have a point: Louden should at least be reminded to proceed very carefully.

More importantly, I am a little dishearted to see three of you dogging Debaser for no good reason. How does bashing him remotely help Ian/Swain?

This stuff makes me wonder...is all this "brother" talk and the pats on the back for PRs only extended to people who flatter us in turn? Is that it?

I stick up for what I believe in, and I firmly believe attacking Debaser like this is not cool, guys. I see no grounds to call him names and even less so to start talking about his posting habits in general, which are not only off-topic but simply not true.

I'll ask once more, respectfully, ease up guys. This isn't the EF I know.

The problem is message boards are very similar to real life. People form clicks and if others don't always agree or think differently they'll hear it.

Yes I know Debaser might not always word things nicely but that doesn't mean go around flaming him every chance you get. It only makes you look like the jackass not him.

 

[NWinters]

The problem is message boards are very similar to real life. People form clicks and if others don't always agree or think differently they'll hear it.

Yes I know Debaser might not always word things nicely but that doesn't mean go around flaming him every chance you get. It only makes you look like the jackass not him.

sure

 

[crew9]

sure

Your as pathetic as I thought. I love it!

 

[NWinters]

 

[Yarg!]

would u like a hug, beast?

 

[louden_swain]

I have immense soreness today!!! I am taking about the good kind that represents muscular fatigue.

I am back in the game baby!!

 

[PolishHammer1977]

Nice man. I was looking forward to this post all day man!!!

 

[louden_swain]

Nice man. I was looking forward to this post all day man!!!

Thanks Hammer!!

I am pumped up about training legs tomorrow!!

Right now, I am eating a lot of protein while I work on land use databases lol. I call this production and recovery!!

For now, its time to eat. . eat. . .eat. . .and drink. .drink. . .drink. . (water of course lol)

 

[WalkingBeast]

I like you, WB, but I honestly don't see why Debaser deserved being called an asshole. He was simply concerned for Louden's injuries, and he's got a point: simply training somewhat lighter is a partial solution at best.

Now, I wouldn't characterize you as a troll. You've been positive 99% of the time However, it wouldn't hurt to relax a little dude...telling Debaser to stay out of your way, that you'll skin him, serving warnings etc. is extreme, not like the "you" I have seen elsewhere in the forum.

There's no reason we all cannot get along here. EF has consistently impressed me with the camaraderie shared among its members, something I cannot say for many websites.

Feuding is energy better spent on the iron.

Im nice til someone crosses the line. The one Ive set in my mind

 

[needsize]

Nice to hear from you Needsize.

I have decided that my bodytype is better suited for building muscle than hoisting crazy weights.

For one, my joints aren't thick and secondly, my limbs are relatively long. I have always had to build a lot of muscle to become stronger.

I now train a lot like you except I am not using 5 x 5.

Same thing here, my small frame was a boon for a bodybuilder, not good for a powerlifter. Myself, I'm not using 5x5 now either, frankly at this point I dont want to move those kind of weights right now. since my strength is in the shitter from the show anyway, I've dropped all the weights back down, and am doing things differently. Everything is still progressive resistance, but each set is to failure or very close.
heres an example
Quads (remember, pretty much to failure, and adding weight to each exerise each week
squats 2x5-8 reps
leg press 2x 8-10 reps
hacks 2x8-10 reps with a drop on the last set

I'm finding I'm responding well to this, strength is going up, I'm growing again, and the shorter workouts are nice. I will go back to 5x5 but I like this for now

 

[WalkingBeast]

would u like a hug, beast?

hahaha A little excessive with the hugs dontcha think?

 

[WalkingBeast]

Glad to see your training is going well Louden!

 

[jackangel]

If being "negative" means giving the best advice Debaser knows how, not simply telling Louden want he wants to hear, that negativity is the most valuable thing anyone's said in this thread. I also think he happens to have a point: Louden should at least be reminded to proceed very carefully.

More importantly, I am a little dishearted to see three of you dogging Debaser for no good reason. How does bashing him remotely help Ian/Swain?

This stuff makes me wonder...is all this "brother" talk and the pats on the back for PRs only extended to people who flatter us in turn? Is that it?

I stick up for what I believe in, and I firmly believe attacking Debaser like this is not cool, guys. I see no grounds to call him names and even less so to start talking about his posting habits in general, which are not only off-topic but simply not true.

I'll ask once more, respectfully, ease up guys. This isn't the EF I know.

Good post. Is Debaser always bitching about something? I haven't read enough of his posts to see that. But even so, the negativity isn't called for, accomplishes nothing, and is beneath the general level of this board's quality. If 20 others are offering general encouragement, it doesn't hurt to have 1 contrary opinion, provided that opinion is based on genuine concern and not merely the desire to disagree.

 

[guldukat]

Im nice til someone crosses the line. The one Ive set in my mind

?...ok man, but I don't understand at all how Debaser "crossed that line" before you called him an asshole (or somesuch). What did he do? As Bill O'Reilly says, tell me where I'm going wrong here

I read his post three times and found nothing wrong with his advice. Sometimes caution is the better part of valor, and given the severity of Ian's reported injuries, I agreed w/ Debaser to an extent: I think lighter training's not a bad idea, but I'd still consider some therapy, and wouldn't rule out taking off enough time to let things fully heal. That'd mean less lifting today, but would ensure a lifetime of hard lifting "tomorrow," you know?

I respect a man who will say something at the risk of being unpopular, so much so that I will stick up for him if I think he's being treated somewhat unfairly. Solely based on Debaser's advice to Louden I don't see anything objectionable, anything to suggest how quitting training forever is desirable, etc. You understand where I'm coming from.

All that said, Ian's back at it, and sounds like things went well. Kudos, LS I'd still advise you to monitor your joints carefully, but given the kinds of poundages you've reported in the past, I'd have to guess these workloads shouldn't aggravate your injuries much. If they do start bothering you again down the road, you can seek the appropriate treatment at that time, no?

 

[Debaser]

There are a couple reasons walkingbeast has a thing for me:

1. I told this kid he was being ridiculous for starting to use a gram of gear a week. He's 180 lbs at 6'3". walkingbeast apparently would rather say "HIT THAT SHIT BROLY" than anything constructive. Now the kid probably feels that his use is justified because of walkingbeast and the others' positive remarks. Now, WHO is being the irresponsible one here?

2. I was arguing the point that there is such a thing as a genetic limit. That's right, I'm as dumbfounded as you are. He thinks that by my mere admission that such a concept exists, that I just "make excuses" and "limit myself." Apparently, he doesn't believe that genetic limits exist, and chooses to flame me for believing the contrary. He also makes fun of me for reading Hardgainer magazine, despite the fact that it contains a wealth of information for ANY trainee, with any genetic background. I'm not even a hardgainer myself yet have learned a great deal from this magazine and Stuart McRobert. So has realgains, Ironaddict, and some other extremely big/strong guys I know. Apparently those guys are "just making excuses," though--that must be the reason realgains has only hit a mere 800+ deadlift and 700+ lb squat.

 

[PolishHammer1977]

Debaser

Take all of this with a grain of salt my man.

and

while you're at it. I need more for my buffalo wings.

 

[Debaser]

Speaking of buffalo wings, Applebee's all-you-can-eat boneless wings night is going to result in their destruction. I wouldn't be surprised if they posted a loss this year, solely due to my visits to their restaurant.

 

[WalkingBeast]

?...ok man, but I don't understand at all how Debaser "crossed that line" before you called him an asshole (or somesuch). What did he do? As Bill O'Reilly says, tell me where I'm going wrong here

I read his post three times and found nothing wrong with his advice. Sometimes caution is the better part of valor, and given the severity of Ian's reported injuries, I agreed w/ Debaser to an extent: I think lighter training's not a bad idea, but I'd still consider some therapy, and wouldn't rule out taking off enough time to let things fully heal. That'd mean less lifting today, but would ensure a lifetime of hard lifting "tomorrow," you know?

I respect a man who will say something at the risk of being unpopular, so much so that I will stick up for him if I think he's being treated somewhat unfairly. Solely based on Debaser's advice to Louden I don't see anything objectionable, anything to suggest how quitting training forever is desirable, etc. You understand where I'm coming from.

All that said, Ian's back at it, and sounds like things went well. Kudos, LS I'd still advise you to monitor your joints carefully, but given the kinds of poundages you've reported in the past, I'd have to guess these workloads shouldn't aggravate your injuries much. If they do start bothering you again down the road, you can seek the appropriate treatment at that time, no?

Hey GuldKat! I have no problem with someone speaking thier mind. I say contriversial shit all the time. Just dont like people who act as if thier words are fact. Its the presentation more so. The constant negativity and "I cant" attitude accompanied by the hardgainer excuse and articles that he just copies and pastes with no explanation dont make me respect his opinion too much. Debaser argues with every thread, and bad arguments at that. Im not the only one who sees this.

 

[NWinters]

Hey GuldKat! I have no problem with someone speaking thier mind. I say contriversial shit all the time. Just dont like people who act as if thier words are fact. Its the presentation more so. The constant negativity and "I cant" attitude accompanied by the hardgainer excuse and articles that he just copies and pastes with no explanation dont make me respect his opinion too much. Debaser argues with every thread, and bad arguments at that. Im not the only one who sees this.

Half the threads get locked down because of him....Its hard NOT to instigate, its constant bullshit only he can concede, but he won't.

 

[crew9]

Perhaps the threads get locked down because a whole bunch of people come in and flame?

 

[Debaser]

Perhaps the threads get locked down because a whole bunch of people come in and flame?

Agreed. I'm going to explain something that might be of great value to many here. If you ever took a debate or logic course you've probably heard of the term.

ad hominem

Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason.

In a more local sense, flaming someone here because they disagree with your views, rather than attacking their argument. A good example would be the genetics thread. I threw in my 2 cents about the existence of the genetic limit (something for which most here would consider a debate unwarranted). All of the sudden, out of nowhere posters were telling me that I made excuses, didn't try, didn't work hard in the gym, and limited myself. Does anyone else see how ludicrous this is? Let's forget for a moment that they ignored my argument and instead simply insulted me. Now, how does believing in a genetic rule have anything to do with my performance in the gym? That's the equivalent of saying that Formula 1 Drivers know their car has a top speed, so they don't perform to the utmost of their ability. This is specious reasoning at its best (worst). Not to mention that some of the hardest trainers I know still believe in a genetic limit. DC believes in a genetic limit, but did he let those thoughts occupy his time? Hell no, he was too busy growing from 140 to 300 muscular pounds. When I'm squatting or deadlifting, do you actually think that before the set I'm telling myself that my genetic limit will hold me back? Fuck no, I'm slapping myself in the face with chalked hands and trembling with focused agression.

 

[revexrevex]

The reason your opinions get flamed is because they are very intelligent and provide another perspective on things, I personally enjoy it

 

[revexrevex]

Louden get better bro

 

[louden_swain]

Louden get better bro

Thanks Rev!!

Things are getting better each day.

I think I will be at 100 percent in the next week or two.

Already, I no longer have patella tendonitis.

Lower back is recovering since I have included some light rehab work.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Thanks Rev!!

Things are getting better each day.

I think I will be at 100 percent in the next week or two.

Already, I no longer have patella tendonitis.

Lower back is recovering since I have included some light rehab work.

Awesome! Im glad to hear that! Youll be back in no time, better then ever

 

[NWinters]

Louden knows!!!!!! (kinda like Bo knows!!!! Remember those days? lol)

 

[louden_swain]

Most of us know how injuries work.

For example, if you suffer from a minor pull or sprain. . rehab work can begin immediately. The important thing is to maintain a good diet and get blood into the injured area. We all suffer from aches and pains from training. . it comes with the territory. It is OK to include some light training. . . if the pain is bad, you can work around the area. . the possibilities are limitless.

Now if you tear (tendons or ligaments). . thats a different story. Most of these injuries require surgeries. Obviously, it is ridiculous to train a disattached tendon or ligament. Thankfully, this is not my situation. I consider tears and breaks to be serious injuries.

 

[thebrute]

good...get well brotha tb

 

[WalkingBeast]

And do not forget to swain like a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Debaser]

Most of us know how injuries work.

For example, if you suffer from a minor pull or sprain. . rehab work can begin immediately. The important thing is to maintain a good diet and get blood into the injured area.

True, but there is more to it than that. You're only addressing one cause of injury here, and that's hypoxia (reduced oxygen flow to cells). Also, simply working the muscle does not ensure that the needed area will be supplied with oxygen. Hypoxia is also a cause of scar tissue build-up; which, even if you solve the hypoxia, the scar tissue remains. Micro-trauma (probably the most common situation) and acute injuries (pulls, tears, etc.) also result in the formation of scar tissue. Scar tissue impedes and binds tissues that are meant to move freely. As this increases, you can have trapped nerves, tendonitis, loss in strength etc. Trapped nerves themselves result in a host of other effects, numbness or tingling, weakness, burning, poor circulation and even muscle atrophy. Here is a diagram outlining this process:

 

[louden_swain]

Debaser,

I don't think you understand the extent of my injuries. They are nothing serious, but instead a nuissance. Every day I feel better and I am getting closer to 100 percent.

Besides that flow chart you posted. . I am not experiencing 80 percent of those symptoms.

 

[Exodus]

debaser just to point out something..... in the genetic limit thread you were speaking about and no one would debate you and just call you names. i had to post 4 times to get you to answer my question, and then you made fun of me before you answered my question, so dont act like you werent guilty on being just as un reasonable in that argument

louden............ im actually kinda with debaser on this one. when injured i dont neccesarily think just changing the sets and reps is going to make it easier on your body.

this is just my thinking. your body is very smart. but its not like you have a patella strain ( i think that is one of them) and your doing heavy lower rep squats - so you petella tendon says:"oh im hurting i cant take this squatting." then you switch to higher reps, but your still going heavy for those higher reps, your body is just not going to say, " oh, its he's still squating, but now he's bodybuilding and not powerlifting, this doesnt hurt at all"

you knee will still be saying " oh im hurting i cant take this squatting."

thats just my opinion, i believe your trying to take it lighter, and bodybuilding is lighter in terms of poundage to powerlifting, is a good thing. im just saying, you may need to not even do that for a while......... train what doesnt hurt for a month. you wont loose size.

X

 

[Debaser]

Debaser,

I don't think you understand the extent of my injuries. They are nothing serious, but instead a nuissance. Every day I feel better and I am getting closer to 100 percent.

Besides that flow chart you posted. . I am not experiencing 80 percent of those symptoms.

My hip injury was just a nuisance, nothing serious either. Until one day (a few weeks ago) I couldn't squat whatsoever without debilitating pain. After TWO sessions with an ART specialist, I can now squat without pain.

Injuries generally get worse before they get better if you do not seek treatment. Scar tissue does not go away unless you go under procedures to break it up.

What do you mean you are not experiencing any of the symptoms? Just a week ago you listed the following:

strained/mild sprain in lower back. . its hard to walk
-sore left patella tendon.
-sore and popping hips
-tendonitis in both elbows
-slight pain in right rear delt.
-right knee popping
-When I drive down to Norman, I literally have to roll out of my truck just to get out.
-However, I have been suffering from mild cramping in the upper pectorals.

Those are all things that ART commonly addresses. Those are not conditions that disappear just because you decide to train light a week later. Come on man, "its hard to walk"? I would have seen someone without even thinking about it. Correct injuries while they're minor, not when they're excrutiating.

 

[NWinters]

I thought ART was a man with no arms and legs that hangs on a wall. J/K

 

[Nonerz]

Play nice boys...

 

[louden_swain]

Well, I have decided to train Chest, Delts, and Triceps this evening.

I was thinking something in the lines of:

CHEST

1. Incline Barbell Presses - 3 x 8-10
2. Hammer Strength Flat Presses - 2 x 8-10
3. Flat DB Flyes - 2 x 10

DELTS

1. Standing Overhead Dumbbell Presses - 3 x 10
2. Up Right Rows - 3 x 10
3. Dumbbell Laterals - 2 x 10

TRICEPS

1. Lying French Presses - 3 x 10
2. Cable Press-Downs - 3 x 10


Overall, I am ready to go. . .no pain in these area. Estimated workout 50 minutes.

I expect a good sweat and good blood flow.

 

[pwr_machine]

Keep plugging away. Most importantly, find what works for you and keeps you in the "game".

 

[guldukat]

Standing DB presses, eh? That's sort of like Mike Katz in "Pumping Iron" Cool stuff. I've yet to try them myself.

Sounds like a good workout to me. I've got pecs, delts, back and triceps tomorrow myself. My hamstrings and lower back are so damn sore from my SLDL attempt of 275x20 yesterday (fell short AGAIN), there's no way I'll even look at a rack pull for the DC-style back thickness move. Oh well, can't win 'em all

I probably missed where you might've said as much, but how close are you to failure with most of these movements, Ian?

And what happened to the Megs avatar?!?!

 

[louden_swain]

Standing DB presses, eh? That's sort of like Mike Katz in "Pumping Iron" Cool stuff. I've yet to try them myself.

I really like these. . . I feel that these really target the delts. They are super strict and it is really hard to cheat. It is also easy to get owned by heavy dumbbells lol. Give them a try. . you may like them.


Sounds like a good workout to me. I've got pecs, delts, back and triceps tomorrow myself. My hamstrings and lower back are so damn sore from my SLDL attempt of 275x20 yesterday (fell short AGAIN), there's no way I'll even look at a rack pull for the DC-style back thickness move. Oh well, can't win 'em all

I appreciate the comments!!! Training chest, delts, back, and triceps is a good combination. Your stiff leg dead is really impressive. . you will get there. With that kind of weight and reps. . .you are destined to puke lol. So you have mixed feelings about the rack pull? Please explain. . not everyone likes these. People are able to find exercises that work for them.

I probably missed where you might've said as much, but how close are you to failure with most of these movements, Ian?

Nothing will be to failure. Right now, I will concentrate on form and getting a good burn/sweat. I need my training mechanics to be perfect so I can target the muscle. If I feel saucy, I will probably increase the weights and go to failure. For right now, I will probably work with 65 to 72 percent of my max.

And what happened to the Megs avatar?!?!

The Megs avatar may be revived in the near future. However, we all may witness a Soundwave, Shockwave, or possibly a Starscream avatar as well. Right now, I have to promote OU wrestling. . . lol. (not really, just a huge fan!!)

 

[louden_swain]

Debaser,

You are offering some reasonable advice. . believe me I am listening to you. I have been working with my chiropractor and he has been a huge help.

You are correct about scar tissue. In fact, I have had a build up in my right rear delt for nearly 5 years.

 

[guldukat]

I really like these. . . I feel that these really target the delts. They are super strict and it is really hard to cheat. It is also easy to get owned by heavy dumbbells lol. Give them a try. . you may like them.

I'll do that!

I appreciate the comments!!! Training chest, delts, back, and triceps is a good combination. Your stiff leg dead is really impressive. . you will get there. With that kind of weight and reps. . .you are destined to puke lol. So you have mixed feelings about the rack pull? Please explain. . not everyone likes these. People are able to find exercises that work for them.

Heh, thank you.

What I meant was, my lower back is still so darn sore I couldn't even think about trying another deadlift movement today I was still tempted, though, and thought about shrugs--poor man's deadlift--as an alternative. If I hadn't slammed my right index finger in the DB rack, I might've tried them instead, LOL.

Nothing will be to failure. Right now, I will concentrate on form and getting a good burn/sweat. I need my training mechanics to be perfect so I can target the muscle. If I feel saucy, I will probably increase the weights and go to failure. For right now, I will probably work with 65 to 72 percent of my max.

Sounds good.

And hey, promoting OU's cool I do like the idea of a Soundwave or maybe Thundercracker avatar, though...hmm...*scratches chin, deep in "thought"*

Shockwave was pretty cool. I used to hate Starscream but over time I grew to like his duplicity...the fact that his voice was the same as Cobra Commander's helped, too. I was a big CC fan