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Ok...I've just spent the entire evening with an old friend who really motivated me quite a bit. He reminded me in a glimpse of why I train in this crazy sport of lifting weights. I have glanced back at the evening and have tried to remember everything that we spoke about and tried to consume it at all costs. We discussed several people that we both had known along our journey of becoming large humans...and laughed at most of the people who put us down along the way.

While at Wal-Mart tonight, buying my groceries for the week, I saw all kinds of people that I hadn't seen in a long time. Young girls from Church, friends from that Chem class my Soph year of college, and an old buddy from the gym. They all had the same question. "Are you going to eat all of that this month?" I said no...I am shopping for the week only.

My friend from the gym kept looking at me in awe. He hadn't seen me in about 2 or 3 years. I know that he was giving me that "you use steroids" look. He was just amazed at how much larger I had become. I just knew that he was thinking to himself "that guy is using a ton of steroids. I'd look like that if I was on what he was." BS!!!! It couldn't be because I had filled my buggy with groceries and the fact that he had spent his money on Doritos, Mountain Dew, and Blockbuster movies. Naaa... It couldn't be that he is only lifting on machines now and I am killing myself in my home dungeon...naaaa.

So...I compiled this list tonight of how to grow. At the top of the list it says Wal-Mart, and at the bottom it has a total.

Recipe:
4 gallons 1% milk
2 gallons skim milk (thought I'd give it a whirl)
2 10lb bags of chicken breasts
1 bucket of mac salad
14 cans of tuna
8 boxes of mac and cheese
8lbs hamburger
1 box white rice
5 sweet potatoes
1 box oatmeal
1 gallon oj
5 steak and mac dinners
4 boxes hamburger helper
12 cups yogurt

Well...that's it in a nutshell. Buy it every Sunday afternoon and make it a goal to eat it all by next Sunday. Sure...you may have a little left over, maybe a lot of one item, but that just means that you don't have to buy it next week. Improvise. Add and subtract when needed but replace it with something else. Ahhhh....and the key is 1/2 price pizza delivery on Thursday. X-tra large meatlovers...ahhhhh...can't wait till Thursday:)

Well...good wishes and remember that it is not the gear, juice, or whatever you may believe that makes me a large man. It is training, food, and consistancy. Good wishes, God Bless, and I hope that someone actually takes my advice and tries it.

B True
 
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i might suggest you find a good butcher or an m&m type meat place (do you guys have them in the states?)... if you keep buying all this stuff at walmart, you'll probably end up one big broke guy :)

(i didnt' know they sold groceries in walmart, in Canada most walmarts sell junk food/candies etc).


use the money you could save to invest in a good cube freezer (check classifieds, people buy them and don't realize they don't have the room for 'em so you can probably get one for cheap), and then you can buy in larger quantities, freeze, less trips for shopping and more bulk discounts...

no eggs in there?
 
Yep...the super Wal-Mart that stays open 24 hours has everything....even a place to get your car worked on:) In this little town..Wal-Mart is about all we have:(

You didn't see any eggs on my list...I hate them. When I first became serious about getting larger..every day for about a year I had 2 dozen eggs, 8 oz red meat, and a pound of pasta every day. I did that for about a year straight. Eggs make me sick at my stomach just to think about them...unless I am at a Waffle House:)

B True
 
B Fold

Nice post. Very motivating to hear how dedicated you are to weighlifting. I couldn't imagine how long it would take me to eat all that food. :D
Lady

p.s. Glad I got to see your gym this weekend. Very hard core. :mad:
 
Glad you were around to see me pull 725 too:)

B True
 
dude, That's a shitload of milk....
I guess you know you're NOT lactose intollerant...:D

Too bad about the Eggs making you yack. They are the bomb.
I as well would put on the pounds if I ate some of that stuff regularly. Hamburger helper, mac salad, mac&cheese

I love me some sweet potatoes...

I get similar looks at my big steaming bowl of Oatmeal I eat at work each morning.
Fuck Um...
 
B Fold, the recipe for growth you ave suggested of food, hard training and consistency is just too simple for most folks. They wont beleive and certainly wont follow it. Too many still looking for that magic pill or Hugeness in a bottle.

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b fold the truth said:
They all had the same question. "Are you going to eat all of that this month?" I said no...I am shopping for the week only.

B True
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LOL

I know what you mean, I get that from my housemate all the time, he really pisses me off sometimes. He says he doesnt eat anything that smells like fish and always complains about the amount of food I eat. He is about 6ft 1 and 170, he runs for his lifeand complains he never puts on muscle.

I swear I shall kill him someday; when I am low on money for food.
 
I need to be eating eggs again..I know I do. As my contest nears I will probably try to add a dozen a day back into my diet. Will need more food for growth.

I do cardio...in my own way. Did you look at my pics? That is cardio. Try flipping a 2,000lb car a few times and watch your heart rate jump. Flip a 700+lb tire several times (15 straight) and then die right there in the driveway. Do the heavy farmer's walks with about 1 minute rest between sets. Pull a suburban for sets of 125ft uphill. Drag a sled for distance or sprint with it. Try the atlas stones. They are all forms of cardio and they work.


Y_Lifter: If that kind of food would cause you to put on the pounds...then why not eat like this? Don't you want to get bigger? I do. Sure...I gain a little fat here and there...but not much. I can barely pinch anything when I stand and even have cross-striations in my outter quads. That is genetic though in my legs...always had lean legs.

heavywear: you are correct. People ask me all the time, do you use creatine, what supps do you use, do you like that MyoPlex that you drink and does it help. What can I say to them? I drink MyoPlex because it is easy for me to down after I train. I train in my garage and outside. It is either very hot or very cold in Kentucky...so eating after my workouts is very hard to do. And MyoPlex was on sale at Vitamin World...so I bought a bunch of it.

B True
 
Any takers on my diet...or is everyone else just gonna stay small? :)

B True
 
Awwww...you can't eat all that? You tiny little thing. You do eat a lot though...I like it:)

B True
 
oink oink.... at work they call it feeding time :) hehe...

i just have to eat every 2 hours or so, or i'll get lethargic... and if my diet isn't on, well, my workouts suffer and my muscles get sore.. just blah all around... food is my fuel, without it i don't function properly... that's always been my take at a 'diet' ... when i get to 'cutting' or whatever i won't be changing what i eat much, i'll just have to take a meal out... and try to reason with my stomach :)
 
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Bump this up, I totally agree. You've been a big help to me b true, you say you've done a few cycles but most peoel rely totally on juice, but it seems like you've got huge without much of it. Food is the way to go, people make comments to me about what all I eat. My dad at least. Sure I have some bf to get rid of now but whatever, i'll get rid of it very soon. I am only 17 like I say but here is what I buy at walmart and it lasts for 5 days.

2 gallons of milk

4 gallons of water

gallon of orange juice

12 eggs

3 boxes of minute rice (I am currently using a big box of instant rice so i dont have to buy every week, but im cutting carbs low right now)

1 lb of ground beef

About 120 ounces of chicken breasts, (I eat about 6 per day)

8-12 cans of tuna

Big container of yogurt which I usually finish the first day

Maybe some snack cakes or pudding

Uhh all of a sudden my list looks small compared to yours, I guess for 5 days and 17 yrs old its not too bad.
 
I am on my 2nd cycle right now. My first was earlier this year for contest prep. I currently weigh about 285-290...but weighed 275 from 152 without ever touching anything!!!! Hard work makes the lifter...not the gear.

Phem: all the guys at work laugh at me because I eat so much. They eat a bag of chips or a hot dog...and I'm cooking rice, veggies, chicken, oatmeal, and tons of stuff every day. The microwave never gets a rest!!! That's ok...they finally got me a 4x officer uniform that barely fits:)

Garza: I firmly believe that someday you will be a monster. Being a monster is something felt deep inside, not on the outter appearance. Read 1 Samuel 16:7 I believe where they are looking for a new king. Read it alot!!!!!!! When I was 152lbs and all the 200lb guys laughed at me when I was killing myself in the gym...I just kept my cool. Now they still weigh 200lbs and I've been over the 300lb mark. I'm still humble though.

Keep eatin guys.....

B True
 
B Fold,

Do you live in Kansas? I'm from the NYC area but spent 6 mos in Kansas. There was a "Hyper-mart" in Topeka. Freaked me out! It was like a regular Walmart on crack, and opened 24 hrs!

I'm just wondering if that's the only one in the country or if there are (gasp!) more of these monstrosities!

Edited to add: Oops, just say--you're from Kentucky. Okay, uh, disregard post.;)
 
b fold the truth said:
Any takers on my diet...or is everyone else just gonna stay small? :)

B True
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Guess I'll have to stay small :(
 
Yep...from Kentucky.

Hannibal.....like I said...being large in something inside...not in the outward appearance. And you are not small....any man that can easily squat over 600....is not small..and I see that you are catching up with me on weight...what's that all about? You flipped a tire yet?

B True
 
b fold the truth said:
Hannibal.....like I said...being large in something inside...not in the outward appearance. And you are not small....any man that can easily squat over 600....is not small..and I see that you are catching up with me on weight...what's that all about? You flipped a tire yet?
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Nothin easy about squattin over six bills...but it can be done. And me and that damn tire have a date soon...gonna get it on :redhot:
 
Anyone gained any weight this weeK? I was doing great till Thursday, got very sick. Fever is still running close to 103, but I'll live..gotta get back in the gym. I have a contest to prep for. Gotta pull 8's.

C'mon...who's eatin food this week...gimme some motivation to gain some more weight.

B True
 
Ate like a mad man.....and drank low fat milk till it came out my ears.
Trained like the world was comming to an end.

I have remained the same weight.......a loss of fat and a gain in strength and size.

Dont know how it happened........everyone tells me its physically impossible.
I think it has to do with my new "coach"......and the constant eating.

as we say in australia "hard yakka" recquires "good tucka"


I always though i ate enough.......but i have been proven wrong. i have had enough of limited diets and that sort of stuff (most of it doesnt even work)


inspirational post b fold. sorry i would keep writing, but i need to go eat

bring on the feast
 
Good job Phem...but you are still a tiny little woman:)

Endpoint..keep eating big guy.

B True
 
B-fold, what youve done is awesome!(152-275), I was wondering how long youve been training for, and what you do for a living because you must be eating all the time!
 
When I started...I weighed 152lbs. Last Christmas I got up to 305lbs...naturally. I started lifting when I turned 16 and had gained up to 175lbs before I lifted...just through food. I turned 24 this past weekend...so I guess I've been lifting for 8 years.

At the moment, I am attending school, STILL, but am looking at graduating in December. I am working full-time as a security guard for a local plant as they are preparing to close down in the next year to year and a half. I basically answer phones and do some basic computer work for them.

B True
 
If you are looking to gain mass pizza, hamburgers, mexican food, and chinese food are the way to go. During mass building everything but hard candies and chocolate goes down my throat.
 
bfold ever since we had that talk in pms about me eating i've been eating very similar...and i'm not a fat person i started out really skinny (112lbs) and i'm up to 170lbs and fuckin strong. Why waste money on suppliments when you can buy food food food. I order pizza every 3 days though

hehehehe bfold is the fuckin man...if i could look\be like anyone on the board it would be him
 
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t3c said:
bfold ever since we had that talk in pms about me eating i've been eating very similar...and i'm not a fat person i started out really skinny (112lbs) and i'm up to 170lbs and fuckin strong. Why waste money on suppliments when you can buy food food food. I order pizza every 3 days though

hehehehe bfold is the fuckin man...if i could look\be like anyone on the board it would be him
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You have no idea how comments like this keep me going inside. Sometimes I just want to crash and totally just shut down...and I get a compliment like this one and it makes me feel like a someone...

B True
 
b fold the truth said:


You have no idea how comments like this keep me going inside. Sometimes I just want to crash and totally just shut down...and I get a compliment like this one and it makes me feel like a someone...

B True
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I've been a member here for along time. I check the boards atleast 3 times a day. I don't post much, but believe me, I follow what's going on here.

Your the only guy that if I see you have started a post or commented on a post I will open the thread 95% of the time. Not only are you one of the most hardcore guys here, you are truely one of the nicest guys I've seen post on any board I've been too.

I think many of us on this board pull for you. You truely inspire us. Keep up the good work bro.
 
You don't know how emotional I have been lately...because of this board...because of all of the kind hearts on this board.

B True
 
b fold the truth said:
Anyone gained any weight this weeK? I was doing great till Thursday, got very sick. Fever is still running close to 103, but I'll live..gotta get back in the gym. I have a contest to prep for. Gotta pull 8's.

C'mon...who's eatin food this week...gimme some motivation to gain some more weight.

B True
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I've gained about 7 pounds in about 3 weeks. No lie. No gear, no supps. All food and training. I was 169 a few weeks ago, and clocked in at 176 yesterday. I am really proud of myself. I'm becoming a really, really strict eater. I try to get something good in every 2 hours. Today fucking sucked though (scuse the language, I apologize), I only ate ... 2 meals. I had to work all day. Then I went to a buddys house because hes home from the Marines. Oh well. Every 2 hours, I'll probably have a good sandwich. A big one too. Hot roast beef, chicken, etc. Wendys chicken nuggets are good. I'm eating clean, and I don't see much fat gained either. My strength is also continuously getting stronger.

Alright, I've rambled for long enough. I hope I motivated you a little B. God knows you've done it for me, as well as the entire board. Best of luck with the contest man.
 
gettinlarger said:


I've gained about 7 pounds in about 3 weeks. No lie. No gear, no supps. All food and training. I was 169 a few weeks ago, and clocked in at 176 yesterday. I am really proud of myself. I'm becoming a really, really strict eater. I try to get something good in every 2 hours. Today fucking sucked though (scuse the language, I apologize), I only ate ... 2 meals. I had to work all day. Then I went to a buddys house because hes home from the Marines. Oh well. Every 2 hours, I'll probably have a good sandwich. A big one too. Hot roast beef, chicken, etc. Wendys chicken nuggets are good. I'm eating clean, and I don't see much fat gained either. My strength is also continuously getting stronger.

Alright, I've rambled for long enough. I hope I motivated you a little B. God knows you've done it for me, as well as the entire board. Best of luck with the contest man.
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Where did you find that quote? A year ago?

B True
 
old bulkers diet

8:30am coffee, Ice Cream, angel cake, two scoops of whey belnded in milk with peanut butter added.

11am double whopper w/o mayo (always first one in line at my school)

1:30pm 3 pieces of pizza, banana, tuna salad.

4:30pm double whopper with cheese again

8pm 1lb of chicken

10pm-2am 2pieces of pizza, cookies, anywhere from 6-12 pints of guiness (iwas working in a bar at the time) 170 to 217 in 2 semsters, a decent gain in bf though:)
 
kolaches: sausage, cheese wrapped in a croissant
this adds 2000 calories alone
10 hershey bars: 200 calories per each one
4 mcdonalds breakfast meals: plenty of calories
2 chinese meals full of msgs
gallon of milk (pick your poison)
pizza covered in olive oil
gatorade by the gallon

if it isn't packed with calories or protein it's not worth eating
gotta love powerlifting
 
p03t1c said:
kolaches: sausage, cheese wrapped in a croissant
this adds 2000 calories alone
10 hershey bars: 200 calories per each one
4 mcdonalds breakfast meals: plenty of calories
2 chinese meals full of msgs
gallon of milk (pick your poison)
pizza covered in olive oil
gatorade by the gallon

if it isn't packed with calories or protein it's not worth eating
gotta love powerlifting
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haha thats crazy...but awesome
 
My Fav Get Big and Strong Food!

Ever hear of John McCallum? You should... He was an awesome author and Weightlifting GOD... Check out his book :

http://www.allbookstores.com/book/compare/0926888013

It rocks with great advice!

The Get Big Drink -

- Two quarts of whole mik
- A Day's worth of Whey Protein
- 2 Cups of Skim Milk
- 2 Raw Eggs
- 4 tablespoon of peanut butter
- Half brick of chocolate ice-cream
- 1 bananna
- 4 tablespoons of malted milk powder
- 6 tablespoons of corn syrup

Mix together in blender until smooth - Pour into 1 gallon jug and place in the refrig. Drink entire jug in 1 day with regular meals.

approx 3000 calories, 200 grams of protein

Good Luck!
 
B fold - if you are reading this you better be eating, because i just downed a choc/vanilla triple threat shake with milk, chicken breast and sweet potato, so watch out, only 90+ pounds before i catch you !
 
I typically create a super shake after i am finished training. This typically consists of 2 cups of skim milk, 1 cup of yogurt, 1 banana, 4 TBSP of Canola Oil, some protein powder, and malt. Like B Fold Said. . you got to eat!
 
don't think my frame could hold 300 lbs personally :)

but if SHane Hamman who is the same height as me, 5'9" can get to 350lbs and still dunk the ball I may have a chance, but he can squat over 1000lbs....
 
Bfold - You and I have disagreed about this always. However, I understand why you eat so much given your sport, but for a bodybuilder, especially a natural one, it makes no sense to gain that much bodyfat.

As a bodybuilder, I don't care to delude myself with big numbers on the scale. I could be 250lbs and 25% body fat, or I could just be 200lbs at 6-7% and have the exact same strength and lean mass.

For you, you'll obviously gain more muscle by eating more, and consequently you would lose of that some by dieting the fat off, so I would never expect you to want to risk that by leaning out. But, can you understand how for the rest of us eating that much is fairly useless?
 
I think if a person wants to stay natural, then eating a lot is the answer to gaining lots of weight. I have a pretty fast metabolism and I am not affraid to a couple of fat pounds to my frame. I don't see how a person can't get stronger without gaining a little bit of bodyfat.
 
gmanlax7 said:
B fold - if you are reading this you better be eating, because i just downed a choc/vanilla triple threat shake with milk, chicken breast and sweet potato, so watch out, only 90+ pounds before i catch you !
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Glad to hear you are drinking the triple threat...I love to mix the chocolate and the vanilla...love it.

B True
 
louden_swain said:
I think if a person wants to stay natural, then eating a lot is the answer to gaining lots of weight. I have a pretty fast metabolism and I am not affraid to a couple of fat pounds to my frame. I don't see how a person can't get stronger without gaining a little bit of bodyfat.
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while I'm not strong in absolute terms, I've definitely gotten bigger and stronger without adding any fat. adding 5 lbs or 1 extra rep every workout is a good sign of that
 
MarshallPenniford said:
Bfold - You and I have disagreed about this always. However, I understand why you eat so much given your sport, but for a bodybuilder, especially a natural one, it makes no sense to gain that much bodyfat.

As a bodybuilder, I don't care to delude myself with big numbers on the scale. I could be 250lbs and 25% body fat, or I could just be 200lbs at 6-7% and have the exact same strength and lean mass.

For you, you'll obviously gain more muscle by eating more, and consequently you would lose of that some by dieting the fat off, so I would never expect you to want to risk that by leaning out. But, can you understand how for the rest of us eating that much is fairly useless?
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Gain that much bodyfat? Are you saying that I am fat? I eat like that and are you saying that I am fat and that I am fat because I eat like that? Hmmmm...at a bodyweight of 285 or so...you can see visible signs of abs. Ohh...I'm not on anything either.

I am not deluding myself with numbers on the scale either. I don't care to be weak and small at 6-7% bodyfat. When you are that lean...you will NOT get bigger...not seriously bigger. You will NOT be stronger or just as strong either.

Muscle is muscle...no matter if it is moving a 70k pound fire truck via harness or flexing a side chest on stage...muscle is muscle and it is gained by one way. I also say that when you become huge...freakishly huge...to the point where when you go places people look at you like you are a freak and abnormally huge...you can say that my diet is useless.

This was taken last week...

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Diet must be working for me...

B True
 
MarshallPenniford said:
Oh, nice job on the 725! Insane.
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Appreciate it...since then I did 880 without straps...and only a loose belt.

B True
 
CoolColJ said:


while I'm not strong in absolute terms, I've definitely gotten bigger and stronger without adding any fat. adding 5 lbs or 1 extra rep every workout is a good sign of that
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Things will change for you when you reach more of a genetic potential. Once you stop getting your "initial gains" you will have to strive to gain...and that struggle will not come easy.

B True
 
that will be a while yet - possibly another 5 years :)

220 at 7% BF is about the largest I'd want to get anyway. At this weight I'd be a bit on the "freakish" side as is for my height (5'9") and small bone structure! Can't say I see too may Asians at this weight/height ratio .. :)
 
CoolColJ said:
that will be a while yet - possibly another 5 years :)

220 at 7% BF is about the largest I'd want to get anyway. At this weight I'd be a bit on the "freakish" side as is for my height and small bone structure! Can't say I see too may Asians at this weight/height ratio :)
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Just keep working in the right direction...keep progressing!!!

B True
 
B Fold The Truth,

You are a solid guy!! Due to your size, you need a hell of a lot more calories than the average person. You eating 5000 to 6000 calories a day does not seem ridiculous to me. If you followed a diet where you ate 2500 to 3000 calories a day, you would probably lose your power. Believe it or not, I eat very similar to you except I try and consume 4000 calories per day. My philosophy is, if you want to get stronger than you need to fuel the body with a large quantity of food. I am no stranger to the grocery store. When it comes winter time, I am not affraid to admit that I pig out. My bodyfat never jumps any higher than 9 percent. I need a bodyfat range around 9 percent so I can shift around the heavy weights. I freak out when I lose my power.
 
bfold, don't let it go to your head man. you know you're an animal. alot of us know you're an animal. these other people just don't understand. "how can a guy be heavy and not fat". MAYBE BECAUSE HE FUCKING TRAINS HIS ASS OFF.
 
louden_swain said:
B Fold The Truth,

You are a solid guy!! Due to your size, you need a hell of a lot more calories than the average person. You eating 5000 to 6000 calories a day does not seem ridiculous to me. If you followed a diet where you ate 2500 to 3000 calories a day, you would probably lose your power. Believe it or not, I eat very similar to you except I try and consume 4000 calories per day. My philosophy is, if you want to get stronger than you need to fuel the body with a large quantity of food. I am no stranger to the grocery store. When it comes winter time, I am not affraid to admit that I pig out. My bodyfat never jumps any higher than 9 percent. I need a bodyfat range around 9 percent so I can shift around the heavy weights. I freak out when I lose my power.
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That is exactly what I mean to say...seriously. What I eat sounds like a lot to the average person...but I am larger than the average person. I have large wrists, very large feet and hands, and a very large waist. I also have very dense and large bones... It takes a lot for me to maintain...even more to gain.

B True
 
Awesome picture man...
You sure don't look like you have much fat to me...
This topic is making me want to start bulking sooner... I was planning on waiting until the end of August before I REALLY started hitting the big calories... But I don't know if I can wait that long... I just wanna be over 200 again..
You are a great motivator!

Thanks
Ryan
 
p03t1c said:
bfold, don't let it go to your head man. you know you're an animal. alot of us know you're an animal. these other people just don't understand. "how can a guy be heavy and not fat". MAYBE BECAUSE HE FUCKING TRAINS HIS ASS OFF.
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No no...I understand. When I was smaller, off and on, I thought that I could stay lean (or eat a lot less) and I was wrong. When I found that I could eat a lot, lift VERY heavy and grow...that is all that I did. I have EXTREME goals. Those people close to me (mother, father, sister, and Night Fly) have all had a hard time understanding that I have EXTREME goals. They all now realize that I am NOTHING without those EXTREME goals.

I want to be a freak of nature. I don't want to be a decent amateur or weigh 285. I want to be the best in the United States and compete at the Worlds...and weigh 320. EXTREME.

My goals are just full blown...and most people don't understand that...sometimes not even my closest of friends.

B True
 
yeah but this is all logical though isn't it, eat as much as your BMR requires.

me at 192 is never gonna need to eat as much as you :)
 
CoolColJ said:
yeah but this is all logical though isn't it, eat as much as your BMR requires.

me at 192 is never gonna need to eat as much as you :)
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I agree with you...but if you want to be 240...you need to eat like you are 240. You see my transformation pics at 175? :)

B True
 
B - for you it makes sense. Your a competitive strength athelete that has no need to be lean. hy you get defensive makes no sense to me man. My point is that for a natural bodybuilder, seriously overeating is not worth it. I never said your diet was useless, although for some reason you insuated that I did. In fact, for you, you're not even seriously overeating, you're just fueling your workouts and feeding a rather high AMR, I'm sure.

Also, I didn't say that you were deluding yourself either. I said that I didn't care to delude myself. It means nothing to me to weigh 230lbs, knowing that my lean mass is under 200lbs. Does that make sense? I want to be big, but muscle, not fat.

You just seem to think that the way you eat is appropriate for all bodybuilders, and all I'm saying is that it's not. For a natural bodybuilder, blowing up to such high BF%'s will cause total hell when trying to lean out for a show.
 
Additionally, you at 6-7% BF would have the exact same strength as you have now, if you could magically become 6 or 7% without losing any muscle whil dieting down. You seem to think otherwise though, how come?
 
MarshallPenniford said:
B - for you it makes sense. Your a competitive strength athelete that has no need to be lean. hy you get defensive makes no sense to me man. My point is that for a natural bodybuilder, seriously overeating is not worth it. I never said your diet was useless, although for some reason you insuated that I did. In fact, for you, you're not even seriously overeating, you're just fueling your workouts and feeding a rather high AMR, I'm sure.

Also, I didn't say that you were deluding yourself either. I said that I didn't care to delude myself. It means nothing to me to weigh 230lbs, knowing that my lean mass is under 200lbs. Does that make sense? I want to be big, but muscle, not fat.

You just seem to think that the way you eat is appropriate for all bodybuilders, and all I'm saying is that it's not. For a natural bodybuilder, blowing up to such high BF%'s will cause total hell when trying to lean out for a show.
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I will also state again that I have gone from 152-305 naturally. I gained a lot of mass, a lot of muscle mass. I know that I could be dieted in 6 months, most people could not be big in 6 months. You get big from eating like a horse, training like an animal, and sleeping like a baby.

Competitive bodybuilders go into a diet pre-contest phase for a reason...becuase they have been bulking. I am not saying get to 25% BF...not sure where you got that. I do belive that there is nothing wrong with a bodybuilder getting to 15-16% for a long time. If someone is 6'2" and 190 ripped...they are not what I would consider a bodybuilder.

To build a body, it takes years. Everytime that you diet/cut you stop your growth phase. Grow till you are at the point where you are ready to diet. A bodybuilder is a bodybuilder all year round...but ONLY diets for 10-16 weeks out of the year. The rest of the time is a bulking and a building phase. The years leading up to their diet/cutting phase were bulking phases...

I just think that most everyone would be better off if they spent 3 extra years bulking at a fluctuating bf% range from 10-16%. Spending some time each year at 10 and others (most) at 14-16%.

B True
 
And I agree with what you just said completely (I prefer a range of 7-13% though, but the problem is that for most people, eating 5-6k calories a day is going to blast them past 15% bodyfat so quickly, their head will spin.

You can only build muscle so quickly, and the rest becomes fat. So while I agree with you, how is one to do it?

Furthermore, if you gain fat too quickly by eating WAY too much, when you diet down you'll be worse off than where you started! You need to have the greater percentage of the gain be muscle, or at least an equal amount.
 
MarshallPenniford said:
And I agree with what you just said completely (I prefer a range of 7-13% though, but the problem is that for most people, eating 5-6k calories a day is going to blast them past 15% bodyfat so quickly, their head will spin.

You can only build muscle so quickly, and the rest becomes fat. So while I agree with you, how is one to do it?

Furthermore, if you gain fat too quickly by eating WAY too much, when you diet down you'll be worse off than where you started! You need to have the greater percentage of the gain be muscle, or at least an equal amount.
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I agree with you.

What do you think about this statement...
Everyone should take a certain time out of the year to gain 3-8% bodyfat.

Does that sum up what we feel? I think that I naturally hold more fat than you...so to gain I must be at a different % than you. We can still grow but just be at different bf%'s.

B True
 
Yes, sure. That's a fair statement.

Here's how I am trying to tackle it these days. I think I let my BF% get slightly out of hand (for my standards) so I'm dieting now and when I hit my goal, I'll be back on the calorie pounding wagon again. This time though, I'm going to try to prolong the bulk for an extended period of time, and gain the weight just a little slower. I'll see how that works. I'll be looking to go as far as 6-7% above my goal, which hopefully will bring 10-15lbs of muscle with it. Hopefully.

I don't know though, I don't have the highest natural test levels, and I don't have the greatest genetics, so one of these days I guess the muscle gaining will stop, and at that point, I guess I better stop eating. I don't want to think about that right now though. ;-)
 
My main thought on eating is that I should constantly try to eat a few extra kcals each day. Just a few...and sometime a lot more and sometimes a little less.

B True
 
b fold the truth said:


I agree with you...but if you want to be 240...you need to eat like you are 240. You see my transformation pics at 175? :)

B True
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Yeah but I ain't doing that in one week, it will be a gradual increase if I need it - but I find my metabolism has slowed down a lot over the eyars. I can't east as much as before and not get fat. Wait till you get older BFold :)
 
CoolColJ said:


Yeah but I ain't doing that in one week, it will be a gradual increase if I need it - but I find my metabolism has slowed down a lot over the eyars. I can't east as much as before and not get fat. Wait till you get older BFold :)
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It took me years also...

I'll be 25 in a couple of days :)

B True
 
CoolColJ said:
31 years :(
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Most people hit their strength peak from 29-34 years old.

B True
 
Well I wish I had started my run earlier, but at least I'm getting there faster now and properly, with my greater knowledge.

Still I wonder how much stronger I'd be now had I continued training from when I was 19-20 till now. 12 years would make me one strong dude! But I also wasn't training well back then, certainly I'm gaining at 4 times the rate now with lesser hormones and recovery potential

I sure did now silly things back then :)
 
I plan to keep training as hard as possible. After I pass 40, I will ease up on the intensity a little bit. For now, I have 16 years until I reach that point :D.
 
i just have to eat every 2 hours or so, or i'll get lethargic... and if my diet isn't on, well, my workouts suffer and my muscles get sore.. just blah all around... food is my fuel, without it i don't function properly... that's always been my take at a 'diet' ... when i get to 'cutting' or whatever i won't be changing what i eat much, i'll just have to take a meal out... and try to reason with my stomach
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I'm the same way. I found it out just recently though, and started making better gains. Sucks, 'cause it makes years of previous training dust in the wind.
 
You guys eat enough to last me a week ;)

what I ate yesterday


1)whey, cereal bar, a small piece of chicken breast and some lettuce
2) post work carb drink+ whey, 2x cereal bars
3)popcorn
4)roast beef - a few slices and lettuce
5)a whole lot of pasta and meat

hmm that's about it, no probs gaining strength and size here :)
 
It sucks that the body needs some fat to gain muscle. B-fold, you are a monster! You look massive in your avatar! Can I see the pics of you at 175?
 
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CoolColJ said:
You guys eat enough to last me a week ;)

what I ate yesterday


1)whey, cereal bar, a small piece of chicken breast and some lettuce
2) post work carb drink+ whey, 2x cereal bars
3)popcorn
4)roast beef - a few slices and lettuce
5)a whole lot of pasta and meat

hmm that's about it, no probs gaining strength and size here :)
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You must have INCREDIBLE genetics my man. That's a blessing.
 
b fold the truth

I was also skinny when younger. I was 6'3" and 150 pounds at 17 but went to 220 solid muscle when in ealry 20"s.
Since then
i have had muscle tears wich have caused me to lose a lot of muscl and I feel very depressed as my self esteem has taken ahuge blow.
any experience with injuries and training after you get injured?

thanks

pretty impressive your gains!
 
b fold the truth said:


That is exactly what I mean to say...seriously. What I eat sounds like a lot to the average person...but I am larger than the average person. I have large wrists, very large feet and hands, and a very large waist. I also have very dense and large bones... It takes a lot for me to maintain...even more to gain.

B True
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How do you know if you have dense and large bones?
 
skaman607 said:


How do you know if you have dense and large bones?
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The last time I got an x-ray at my Chiro's office...it showed my bone structure compared to a normal (a very small man or a woman) persons bone structure...

B True
 
Bfold,
We should get together one day and just all day long. Just have a giant food party. Are you down?

By the way. That shopping list made me hungry. I am in the library studying economics and have no food.
 
B and I have talked about this alot. FOOD is very ANABOLIC. My "diet" is even simpler than his...if thats possible.

2lbs of Ground Beef
1 Box (the new larger size) of Hamburger Helper
1 Gallon of Chocolate (Whole) Milk

6000-6500 Calories a day for about $8. This is my baseline. I make sure that I eat it every day. There is no thinking to it. If I want something else to eat, or have a craving for something I eat that in addition to my normal food. I have managed to get my weight back to just over 270. Competing in the 275's at the end of the month. Have a comp in Feb, and I plan to lift in the 308's
 
ah hannibal: simple, but effective.

i like it.

X
 
b fold the truth said:


The last time I got an x-ray at my Chiro's office...it showed my bone structure compared to a normal (a very small man or a woman) persons bone structure...

B True
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so there's really no simple do-it yourself method, unless you are a radiologist
 
hannibal hows your bf with that diet???? i know it is prolly not a big concern, but like got a comparison??? haha
 
skaman607 said:
geez I guess I had better start eating, I'm 6'2" and weigh 150:bawling:
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I don't have any pics of me at 6'2" 152...but this is me at 175 after gaining 23 pounds...

175%20from%20the%20side.jpg


Taken a few weeks ago at 285+
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Believe in your dreams...at all costs.

B True
 
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