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How the fuck has Milos Sarcev put 20lbs of muscle on 5 different top competitors?

702daswoll1

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Im asking this after reading the latest edition of Musclemag. In the issue King Kamali goes on a rant about Sarcev and how he has turned Gustavo Baddell and Dennis Wolf into top 5 Olympia competitors.
The article stated in a round about way that Sarcev has come up with an insulin formula that is cutting edge and is changing these guys physiques in an incredible way. Anybody have any information on this new insulin regimen that Sarcev is using?
Its Friday night fellas and Im sitting at home pondering insulin. Dark side is the best side. Lets get this thread crackin.
 
Milos had a great body like to know more myself just done a net search but nothing specific found. Got me thinking slin again havent used for about 12 months. Deliciously dangerous stuff
 
Not to put a damper on enthusiasum but a lot of these stories are exagerated. I think it's funny that there are guys who ponder insulin use when they've barely tapped their NATURAL ability.

And in the meantime, there's a very simple way to use the power of insulin safely. Sugar and vandyl sulfate. That's right -- the one thing everone tries to avoid and an old outdated supplement from the 90's. I challange everyone who is looking to get bigger with insulin to drink two portions of BIG BLAST along with 3 mcgs of vanadly a day for one month. I guarantee, if you train heavy, get enough sleep and maintain a calorie surplus you'll be 10 pounds heavier. Will some of it be fat and water? Absolutely. But so would be the case with insulin.

Sorry for the rant. Carry on.
 
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Nelson Montana said:
Not to put a damper on enthusiasum but a lot of these stories are exagerated. I think it's funny that there are guys who ponder insulin use when they've barely tapped their NATURAL ability.

And in the meantime, there's a very simple way to use the power of insulin safely. Sugar and vandyl sulfate. That's right -- the one thing everone tries to avoid and an old outdated supplement from the 90's. I challange everyone who is looking to get bigger with insulin to drink two portions of BIG BLAST along with 3 mgs of vanadly a day for one month. I guarantee, if you train heavy, get enough sleep and maintain a calorie surplus you'll be 10 pounds heavier. Will some of it be fat and water? Absolutely. But so would be the case with insulin.

Sorry for the rant. Carry on.
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its not a rant. i totally agree. i cant speak to the big blast or vanadly but i have had great success manipulating my bodys insulin with properly timed ingestion of some fast acting sugars. i wont touch insulin. my father is an insulin dependent diabetic and i have seen what that does.
 
insulin gives you that shit look off season

vanadyl- man nelson you are chalkin up the past

nelson you have any info on glucophage or metaformin?
 
holy ghost said:
insulin gives you that shit look off season

vanadyl- man nelson you are chalkin up the past

nelson you have any info on glucophage or metaformin?
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What kind of info?

Vanadyl does spike insulin. It's also toxic in the dosages that were recommended back then. (Up to 12mcgs daily).
 
Nelson Montana said:
Not to put a damper on enthusiasum but a lot of these stories are exagerated. I think it's funny that there are guys who ponder insulin use when they've barely tapped their NATURAL ability.

And in the meantime, there's a very simple way to use the power of insulin safely. Sugar and vandyl sulfate. That's right -- the one thing everone tries to avoid and an old outdated supplement from the 90's. I challange everyone who is looking to get bigger with insulin to drink two portions of BIG BLAST along with 3 mcgs of vanadly a day for one month. I guarantee, if you train heavy, get enough sleep and maintain a calorie surplus you'll be 10 pounds heavier. Will some of it be fat and water? Absolutely. But so would be the case with insulin.

Sorry for the rant. Carry on.
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I agree 100% with you on this.

IMO no amateur should even think about touching insulin - period.
 
I dont think this is exaggerated at all. Some of the top pros that train in Vegas are talking about this shit that Sarcev has come up with and they are all desperately trying to get some of his trainees to talk about it. Insulin is not something I would try anytime soon but like my boy Ghost says it is something to use only when anabolics and peptides no longer do the trick. Who knows I may never even get to that point. Im just interested in Sarcez's formula from a research standpoint.
 
702daswoll1 said:
I dont think this is exaggerated at all. Some of the top pros that train in Vegas are talking about this shit that Sarcev has come up with and they are all desperately trying to get some of his trainees to talk about it. Insulin is not something I would try anytime soon but like my boy Ghost says it is something to use only when anabolics and peptides no longer do the trick. Who knows I may never even get to that point. Im just interested in Sarcez's formula from a research standpoint.
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There is an interview with Milos Sarcev about the use of insulin, so it's not a secret. Try to Google it. You'll find it I think. The interview has been around a couple years.

Here's the EF thread with link to the interview:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...out-insulin-ifbb-pro-milos-sarcev-192879.html
 
yea i saw an interview where is said he thought it was better to take amino in while you workout and not take as much protein. it was on a pro bodybuilding weekly show.
 
Vandyl sulfate didn't work for me 15 years ago, no reason to believe it would now.
Yes simple sugars Post Workout will help recovery, toss in 50 gr whey and 10ie Humalin-R and you'll get big.
Never considered it a miricle though, but then if I had my size with Milos small waist - that would be a miricle.
 
holy ghost said:
hey bro hows your cycle going??
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A few more weeks of Tren sweats, shortness of breath, headaches, sleep apnea, heartburn, ect and I'm through.
It's going great! LOL.
Here's a photo of me relaxing with a friend from last night at work
5zc5hle.jpg

Maybe 702 will recognize the building?
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
Vandyl sulfate didn't work for me 15 years ago, no reason to believe it would now.
Yes simple sugars Post Workout will help recovery, toss in 50 gr whey and 10ie Humalin-R and you'll get big.
Never considered it a miricle though, but then if I had my size with Milos small waist - that would be a miricle.
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Just how much of a difference would you say insulin has made for you using it in this way?

Great thread btw, I always like topics that explore new or less trodden territory.


Jacob
 
^^^ Once I used insulin between cycles and I was able to keep most of my strength while gaining size (fat and muscle). I was dieted down to 275 with the plan to bulk up to 310 +.
I know from experience that insulin helps put on weight with out gear, so it stands to reason that it'll help while on gear.
Figuring out how much Slin will help on cycle is liking trying to guess how much one type of roid helps when you're stacking 6 - lol.
Botton line - if I didn't think it had it's benifits I wouldn't use it. It's by far the most dangerous chemical I've ever used, and yes, I've gone hypoglycemic several times.
Never allow yourself to fall asleep after using Slin! Lately my 2nd meal post Slin has contained some fat in it. So far I haven't gone hypo since I started doing this.
 
I would not totally rule out Vanadyl Sulfate. I have some caps going at present The recommended dose is for 110kg(242lbs) body weight 6 caps at 7.5mg with 243mg dextrose each. Thats 45mg Van each day. I know BBers using this "old" product who swear by it. I have not used it consistantly enough to decide. I dont know where Nelson got his dose from ........Vanadyl does spike insulin. It's also toxic in the dosages that were recommended back then. (Up to 12mcgs daily).
 
Milos... LOL. He used to get pissed that I purchased huge quantities of MetRX outside of his distribution line... But, holy shit his wife is smokin hot. They worked out at my gym. He always had a great body. I was always more interested in hers though.
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
A few more weeks of trenbolone sweats, shortness of breath, headaches, sleep apnea, heartburn, ect and I'm through.
It's going great! LOL.
Here's a photo of me relaxing with a friend from last night at work
5zc5hle.jpg

Maybe 702 will recognize the building?
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Fuck!!! It wont open for me!.. It is saying that the page cannot be displayed. Where you training?
 
AWWW shit IM sure I will recognize if it is a titty bar.. Perfect spots to get ur hustle on.

Hey Power.... We need to hook up.
 
702daswoll1 said:
Im asking this after reading the latest edition of Musclemag. In the issue King Kamali goes on a rant about Sarcev and how he has turned Gustavo Baddell and Dennis Wolf into top 5 Olympia competitors.
The article stated in a round about way that Sarcev has come up with an insulin formula that is cutting edge and is changing these guys physiques in an incredible way. Anybody have any information on this new insulin regimen that Sarcev is using?
Its Friday night fellas and Im sitting at home pondering insulin. Dark side is the best side. Lets get this thread crackin.
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just a hint,,, when ran in conjuction correctly with AAS, IGF1,HGH, insulin can make a HUGE difference and put size on pronto.
 
holy ghost said:
hes a fucking beast bro

you two are gonna get locked up!!!!!! lol!!!

VICE squads gonna be on your ass!
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Yeah he is fucking yoked to no end and tall as a motherfucker. Vice squad? Ewww <<<shakes>>> Dont get me scared now Ghost halloween was last week.
 
nzrodney said:
Milos had a great body like to know more myself just done a net search but nothing specific found. Got me thinking insulin again havent used for about 12 months. Deliciously dangerous stuff
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Considering to much can kill you yes it is.
 
702daswoll1 said:
AWWW shit IM sure I will recognize if it is a titty bar.. Perfect spots to get ur hustle on.

Hey Power.... We need to hook up.
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NAW - it's the www.doubledownsaloon.com - A punk rock bar where I work part time as a bouncer.
I train at Flamingo/Sandhill Gold's. I'm peaking for a deadlift contest in a couple of weeks. After that I'll be training for fun (bodybuilding style) and natural for awhile. Send a PM if you want to lift sometime.
Not into hookers, but I'll drink at the Palomino club every once in awhile - lol.
 
I have also trained there on and off over the last 10 years or so. Maybe for a year total though. Im a 24-Hour guy. Not freaky huge like you. But I stand out at 24-hour for sure.
Ghost got a mofo's back fo shizzle trip tizzle.
 
So tommorow i plan on doing to search engine research on this whole Sarcev/Insulin cocktail they have apparently come up with and will post my results tommorow.
 
Alright, this is a shameless copy and past from another board.
Humalog is insulin of my choice as well – it’s easiest to control, fastest in action and almost “designed” for post workout period for all the athletes (bodybuilders).

While many question the theory of windows of opportunity – I think it is vast amount of evidence that physiological preference of body trashed by intense weightlifting session (stress) is to take care of shock that just occurred (i.e. replacement or supercompensation of nutrients lost in process).

Action of Humalog is ideal in this event.
Onset is 15 minutes upon intake, peak is within 45 and 75 minutes later, strong action start’s diminishing 2 hours after the intake and it’s completely out within 4 hours.
Only true variable is curve after 2nd hour until the 4th (for some it drops dramatically fast and for some it is slow drop, which means that some insulin might linger in blood stream up until the 4th hour…).

But, assuming that our blood glucose level is quite reduced during the training we should make sure to use adequate amount of fast GLUCOSE delivering carbohydrate source – shortly after injection (IMO – 15 minutes later).
If we are using pure Glucose (dextrose) – we can expect that glucose would take only minutes (2-4) to get in the blood stream and it would peak within 40 minutes (almost identical to Humalog curve). So, my suggestion is to take HALF of the initial mix of ideal post workout nutrients (glucose/fast absorbing protein/creatine/glutamine…) 15 minutes later for the first time and than wait for 15-20 minutes and ingest another half!

Shortly after (30-40 minutes later) I would suggest another low fat/high protein/complex carb meal – to take care of possible Humalog action post 2nd hour…

I see one of the products in your line of supplements that could be ideal for this purpose.
Now, let me tell you something that might be disturbing!

For all natural athletes that take post workout drink composed of exactly those (or comparable) nutrients – there is documented evidence that frequent high elevation of blood glucose levels and for prolonged period of time –could be first on the list of suspects causing type 2 diabetes!

Humalog in this instance can be ideal “savior” as it would shuttle glucose as it comes, never allowing BG level to go too high and save beta cells from over producing endogenous insulin…Action is very short and intense – basically it’s inn and out…and your body goes back to it’s normal physiological pattern..

GH also acts in matter that produces hyperglycemia…and coupling these two facts – some of you taking GH and fast acting carbohydrate post workout drinks without exogenous insulin might want to reconsider your options (of course I expect attack after this note…)
 
I just can't belive that insulin, can cause muscle growth. It just doesn't seem right.
 
It is not the insulin that really makes that much of a difference. Insulin use has been around for a long time.

What is making these changes is the fact that Milos primes their bodies prior to using the insulin in order to make the most gains.

He has 3 patented shakes that you take preworkout, during workout, post workout in order to achieve the environment your body needs to grow. They aren't cheap either. About $175 for 15 days. (or $99 for 15 days if you get the discount)

His belief is that if you are going to push blood into the muscle you are training, then fully charge that blood with all the nutriets it can hold prior to doing so.

It's very effective especially when you consider his method of training the guys with all the giant sets virtually gurantees that there is no blood leaving the muscle for quite a while.
 
Thats basically What I do anyway

NOTHING BEATS A MID WORKOUT WHEY+WATER shake.

PRE-DURING-POST and BEFORE BED are crucial times for anabolism

Hey aap, I got 99$$ Think i can still get a source check =-)
 
This is the first I've heard that using insulin with a high simple carb PWO meal can reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes. The logic behind it sounds reasonable.

Ghost: vanilla whey + water slowly sipped during training (after the key exercise of the day is completed) has been a big help to me.
 
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The fast acting is intended to minimize risk. If it is no longer effective after 4 hours, you don't have to worry or be on guard for more than those 4 hours. Keep sugar close at hand. I don't want to mislead. I never tried insulin, I don't intend to. Maybe if I was a professional bb'er. I tried glucophage or glyberide from a diabetic many years ago and my blood sugar went so low I felt like I would faint. I had to eat the candy he kept on hand while he laughed. Insulin (as opposed to drugs that affect natural insulin) must be even more dangerous/scary if your blood sugar drops fast and you have no sugar nearby. It's no joke. But some may be able to manage the risk. How big do you have to be? It makes you fat too if you don't know what you are doing. I'd only take it -- if at all -- with hGH and highly androgenic/anabolic steroids.
 
Im going to try that whey during my workout tommorow. Im gonna pound the hell out of my legs. I love squats and presses.
 
Just to throw a few more .02 out here..

Most people have no problems with the post workout insulin use.. what they screw up on (and get fat from) is the fact that even rapid acting insulin peaks twice. They fail to plan for the second peak.

Unlike most people who use rapid acting HumalinR, Milos advocates Humalog which is supposingly even faster acting.

The pre and during shake that he advocates is not any kind of whey, but rather a large amount of BCAAs (theres like over 100 grams involved in all three shakes combined) and other stuff like Glutamin, creatine, etc.. (you can go to his Kolesium site - probably spelled that wrong - and see if the labels show the contents.. I can't remember exactly)

Insulin is a carrier protein and it helps shuttle the nutrients released into the bloodstream to the liver and other tissues like muscle when needed. So injecting insulin post-workout obviously means there's more of it around which means you basically get more amino acids and other nutrients shuttled to the muscle group you've trained so recuperation can begin.
The pre and during phase is simply nothing more than overloading the nutrients in the body so they are available in the bloodstream and already in the muscle from natural transport as much as possible.

Here is what he said about it :

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YES IT IS...

And here is why:

Think...human body has roughly 5 litters of blood distributed all over...
At rest - only about 15% finds its way to skeletal muscles.
When we become active, heart starts pumping blood faster...and blood follow the movement...

When TRAINING - up to 80 % of blood goes to MUSCLES!

Think: 80% and that is regardless IF you will create additional vasodilatation using NO products or not. [it always made me wonder HOW can fact of bringing MORE blood to muscles interest all of you - but fact that your blood is EMPTY and WILL NOT cause anything other than acute pump - pass unnoticed?)

So my question is:

1) WHEN will you have 80% of the blood in exact muscles you want to develop other than EXACTLY DURING THE TRAINING OF THAT PARTICULAR MUSCLE GROUP?

2) If you use NO product and possibly increase already unbelievable blood flow to the muscle caused by known physiological phenomenon (HYPEREMIA) but your blood is "unprepared" or completely EMPTY - what good will that hyperemia do?
Yes, some nutrients will be in the blood for some of those who follow good bodybuilding diet...but did you think WHAT ELSE could make a world of difference IF you make it available?
When you saturate the blood with EXACT NUTRIENTS that can make the difference - and than use HYPEREMIA ADVANTAGE than and only than MIRACLE DOES HAPPEN - and that is what you can see with some of my athletes...In short period of time they somehow 'explode'...Off course - skeptics will think it is something else...but that something else everybody uses - anyway...

3) So when you prepare (saturate) the blood with exact nutrients with my PRELOAD drink and within 30 minutes you start training...and hyperemia reaches 80% and muscle you are training is overflown in blood - which is now super saturated with both anabolic and anti-catabolic nutrients and hormones (released BY content of my products) - WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN?

Well...whoever experience what I am talking about will know that simply NOT CONSIDERING WHAT I SAID HERE and training without it...is going to lead to much less productive training...thus = WASTE OF TIME.

And that's all I have to say .
 
holy ghost said:
hey powerbulider you ever used igf before?
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No. I did a little research, but never followed through. I'd like to try IGF in my arms and blow them up so there bigger than my fuckin' head - lol. From Sunday after supersets - a little more size needed:
6qi9hh.jpg

In a few months I'm going to be seeing a new doctor. I'll have to ask about Growth - I'm 45 and should be eligible for HRT. My concern is I have a few benign fatty tumors, and I've read that growth can make tumors grow.
You have any experience with peptides?
 
Well...whoever experience what I am talking about will know that simply NOT CONSIDERING WHAT I SAID HERE and training without it...is going to lead to much less productive training...thus = WASTE OF TIME.

And that's all I have to say .[/QUOTE]

WOW....interesting...great find AAP. Thanks for diggin that up...enlightning!
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
No. I did a little research, but never followed through. I'd like to try IGF in my arms and blow them up so there bigger than my fuckin' head - lol. From Sunday after supersets - a little more size needed:
6qi9hh.jpg

In a few months I'm going to be seeing a new doctor. I'll have to ask about Growth - I'm 45 and should be eligible for HRT. My concern is I have a few benign fatty tumors, and I've read that growth can make tumors grow.
You have any experience with peptides?
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Hey Power. I got a Doc out here that is growth friendly. Hit me up with pm if you want his name.
 
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