How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have you

[Strongbow]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

But you don't know how dumb we believe you actually are, so it's an issue of relative perception.

Oh I see, LOLZ. On a lighter note, I having been trying to get my doctor to send me a copy of my mri to send you. I have an appointment today and if they dont have one waiting on me Ima prolly nut the fuck up, cause I was told last week they would. I had an EMG last week to check for nerve damage, which I was told is considerable. I am going back today to see what options I have. What's your thoughts?

 

[mrplunkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Oh I see, LOLZ. On a lighter note, I having been trying to get my doctor to send me a copy of my mri to send you. I have an appointment today and if they dont have one waiting on me Ima prolly nut the fuck up, cause I was told last week they would. I had an EMG last week to check for nerve damage, which I was told is considerable. I am going back today to see what options I have. What's your thoughts?

We really need the MRI first. If it's something that is obvious, then you'll have a lot fewer options.

 

[Strongbow]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

We really need the MRI first. If it's something that is obvious, then you'll have a lot fewer options.

I was suppose to have it 2 weeks ago, Ima lil pissed about that, as they will well know today. My doctor is at Augusta Back, the guy I see is suppose to be one of the best in the country, you hear of this place before?

 

[digimon7068]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

I'm leaning a little scientologist myself.

But why bash 'em? IF someone gets comfort from religion AND isn't hurting people with it, let a playah play.

you're truly a fuckin' enigma, plunkster

 

[ledhead]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Jackangel has exceeded his stored message limit, so everyone gets to read what I was going to send to you via PM:

In virtually all wiccan/pagan/magickal traditions there's a way for deity to "manifest." In witchcraft and wicca, for instance, there's "drawing down" in which the god/dess actually "takes possession" of a priest or priestess in a ritual that is a consensual process. When it happens in Voudoo it's called "being ridden" by the gods, and they don't always take possession of just priests/priestesses and it's not always something that the person who is being possessed necessarily wants or even enjoys. In both of the circumstances I've mentioned the person who has been taken over the deity doesn't remember what they did or said and is really out of it. New agers call this shit channeling.

My tradition developed a technique called aspecting that is a little gentler. The priest/ess isn't completely out of it, so the connection between deity and this plane is more tenuous. The person who is aspecting deity usually doesn't remember clearly what they said or did, but they aren't totally out of control, either. This is one way I've met some gods and goddesses.

You can directly meet deity yourself if you do what shamans call journeying - in magickal traditions it's sometimes called pathworking. You basically enter a meditative state and move to another plane of existence, mentally. If you set the right intention at the beginning of your journey, it isn't very hard to meet a god/dess.

Before you ask, no, I haven't met Jesus. I'm not really sure he'd be anywhere I can access. Jesus isn't a god, but an elevated master so that's a whole other ball of wax, and he lives on a different plane from the gods.

And yeah, with doing the meditation and journeying stuff there was a long time I thought I was bullshitting myself. Then I received information "up there" (and "down there" when journeying to the underworld) on several occasions that I had no way of knowing. I stopped questioning it. Our species lives in one dimension of many, living side by side with a whole lot of entities. Most of us simply cannot perceive any of this with our normal senses -- and frankly, not really any reason to.

The simple truth is, nobody needs to be spiritual or religious for their life to accomplish what it's meant to. In fact, turning your back on what the human experience is in favor of spirituality/religion is sort of defeating the whole purpose of being alive.

Hope that answers some of your questions. If you have anything specific you want to know, fire away

All you did was quote passages from occult books..... You read books written by Colin Wilson,and Mitch Horowitz or other occult writers. I know because I read a bunch of them.....The majority of what you said is occult doctrine. I hate to break your heart, but it's a bunch of heresy! I believe you about the experiences you claim you had to an extent, I actually do! but it's all evil..... I know I played with that stuff for a little while! You're into Crowleyism....If you don'tknow what that is I'll gladly explain it to you!

 

[PICK3]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

We really need the MRI first. If it's something that is obvious, then you'll have a lot fewer options.

have you and your cohorts cum to a consensus of what's at the root of my little problem?

 

[miplank]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

have you and your cohorts cum to a consensus of what's at the root of my little problem?

excessive faggotry

 

[musclemom]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

All you did was quote passages from occult books..... You read books written by Colin Wilson,and Mitch Horowitz or other occult writers. I know because I read a bunch of them.....The majority of what you said is occult doctrine. I hate to break your heart, but it's a bunch of heresy! I believe you about the experiences you claim you had to an extent, I actually do! but it's all evil..... I know I played with that stuff for a little while! You're into Crowleyism....If you don'tknow what that is I'll gladly explain it to you!

My dear, I honestly don't think you have the ability to explain anything to me, you're a tad hysterical, and incredibly closed minded.

Anyway, I actually have NO idea who Colin Wilson or Mitch Horowitz are, I'm reasonably confident I don't own one book by either of them (tough to say for sure, I have a WHOLE lotta books) and I'm also pretty sure I've never read anything by them but when I get done here I'll google them and get back to you on it if it's relevant.

I confess I'm a tad offended that you would accuse me of quoting someone else's material. When I quote someone in my posts, I give them credit. What I wrote in that post was relative to my personal experience. And, hello, true wiccans don't believe in "doctrine" that belongs to religion. Doctrine/dogma/proselytizing, that all belongs to religion, not spiritual paths. We don't have ONE single book of rules, we can't HAVE a doctrine. See, you're the one proselytizing, judging me, judging what I have to share, condemning me and those who feel as I do. That's religious dogma and you and those who feel as you do can claim 100% ownership to that toxic thinking.

Finally, there is no "Crowley-ism." If I recall correctly, Crowley was one of the original members of the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis) a Thelemic Order which is a Western Ceremonial magickal tradition, maybe even the first WC magickal tradition. They are very formal but no more evil than Roman Catholics (although I do seem to recall hearing that certain sects of born again Xtians think Roman Catholics ARE evil). Crowley was sort of the uh, I dunno, I guess you could say Marilyn Manson of his time? He wanted to be famous, and believed there was no such thing as bad publicity. In his time, he was a good magician and had a solid understanding of occult material. He sort of deteriorated as he aged, though. Whether it was drugs, illness who knows.

Finally, I'm what's considered an ecclectic wiccan, if you want to push it, I technically belong to a syncretic wiccan tradition. Honestly, the ONLY time I've encountered "Evil" was dealing with the self righteously religious. Dogmatic religion requires control, and they manage their control of the masses by fear. True evil thrives on fear. You are taught to be afraid to question, to be afraid to seek other answers, to condemn and fear those who think/worship/live differently than you. You live in a world of exclusion.

Here's the biggest conundrum of your faith (IMO): If the Universe and all things it contains sprang forth from God, and God is the ultimate supreme being, completely omniscient, omnipotent and infallible, then NOTHING that God creates can be evil.

You really, really need to watch the movie Dogma, seriously. Watch it a lot. Then come to a nice pagan gathering or two, meet some of us, and loosen up a little.

 

[mrplunkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

My dear, I honestly don't think you have the ability to explain anything to me, you're a tad hysterical, and incredibly closed minded.

 

[mrplunkey]

Re: How many of you here believe in God, but have turned your backs on him? Or have y

Before you ask, no, I haven't met Jesus. I'm not really sure he'd be anywhere I can access. Jesus isn't a god, but an elevated master so that's a whole other ball of wax, and he lives on a different plane from the gods.

SB, are you gonna let her talk about Jesus like that???!!!???!!!