HGH or DECA for healing? Both?

[XMAN.]

Deca does not heal it masks, please show me the studies I would love to read them.
For injuries HGH, and IGF, keep test to low as it will interfer with collegen production. Also you can take EQ, primo, sarms and crap i don't remember.

Collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women during therapy with anabolic steroid or female sex hormones.
Hassager C, Jensen LT, Pødenphant J, Riis BJ, Christiansen C.

Department of Clinical Chemistry, Glostrup Hospital, University of Copenhagen, Denmark.
Abstract
The effect of anabolic steroid therapy and estrogen-progestogen substitution therapy on serum concentration of procollagen type III aminoterminal peptide (PIIINP), a measure of collagen synthesis, in postmenopausal women was studied in two double-blind studies: (1) 39 women allocated to treatment with either 50 mg nandrolone decanoate as an intramuscular depot or placebo injections every third week for 1 year, and (2) 40 women allocated to receive either 2 mg 17 beta-estradiol plus 1 mg norethisterone acetate daily or placebo tablets for 1 year. Serum PIIINP was measured every 3 months during the study. Anabolic steroid therapy resulted in a more than 50% increase (P less than .001) in serum PIIINP at 3 months, which thereafter decayed but remained significantly increased throughout the study period. Serum PIIINP showed the same pattern during estrogen-progestogen therapy, but to a lesser degree. We conclude that anabolic steroids stimulate type III collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women, while estrogen-progestogen therapy may have such an effect, but only to a lesser degree.

Collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women during ... [Metabolism. 1990] - PubMed result

 

[XMAN.]

Nandrolone Decanoate and Load Increase Remodeling and Strength in Human Supraspinatus Bioartificial Tendons
Ioannis K. Triantafillopoulos, MD*,†, Albert J. Banes, PhD†,‡,§, Karl F. Bowman, Jr||, Melissa Maloney, MS¶, William E. Garrett, Jr, MD, PhD#, and Spero G. Karas, MD*,†,**
+ Author Affiliations

From *the Shoulder and Elbow Service, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, †Department of Orthopaedics, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, ‡Flexcell International Corporation, Hillsborough, North Carolina, the §Department of Biomedical Engineering, the ||School of Medicine, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, ¶Flexcell International Corporation, Hillsborough, North Carolina, and the #Department of Orthopaedics, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina
Address correspondence to Spero G. Karas, MD, Chief, Shoulder and Elbow Service, University of North Carolina, Department of Orthopaedics, CB#7055, Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7055 (e-mail: [email protected]).
Abstract

Background: To date, no studies document the effect of anabolic steroids on rotator cuff tendons.

Study Design: Controlled laboratory study.

Hypothesis: Anabolic steroids enhance remodeling and improve the biomechanical properties of bioartificially engineered human supraspinatus tendons.

Methods: Bioartificial tendons were treated with either nandrolone decanoate (nonload, steroid, n = 18), loading (load, nonsteroid, n = 18), or both (load, steroid, n = 18). A control group received no treatment (nonload, nonsteroid [NLNS], n = 18). Bioartificial tendons’ remodeling was assessed by daily scanning, cytoskeletal organization by staining, matrix metalloproteinase–3 levels by ELISA assay, and biomechanical properties by load-to-failure testing.

Results: The load, steroid group showed the greatest remodeling and the best organized actin cytoskeleton. Matrix metallo-proteinase–3 levels in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid group (P < .05). Ultimate stress and ultimate strain in the load, steroid group were greater than those of the nonload, nonsteroid and nonload, steroid groups (P < .05). The strain energy density in the load, steroid group was greater when compared to other groups (P < .05).

Conclusions: Nandrolone decanoate and load acted synergistically to increase matrix remodeling and biomechanical properties of bioartificial tendons.

Clinical Relevance: Data suggest anabolic steroids may enhance production of bioartificial tendons and rotator cuff tendon healing in vitro. More research is necessary before such clinical use is recommended.

Nandrolone Decanoate and Load Increase Remodeling and Strength in Human Supraspinatus Bioartificial Tendons ? Am J Sports Med

 

[XMAN.]

Nandrolone Decanoate and Load Increase Remodeling and Strength in Human Supraspinatus Bioartificial Tendons

Download PDF for complete case study

 

[goin on 4T]

Last time I checked I don't have any bioartificially engineered tendons.

 

[XMAN.]

Last time I checked I don't have any bioartificially engineered tendons.

the bioartificial tendons are cultured from human tendon cells,then implanted in patients which are injected with nandrolone which enhanced collagen matrix remodeling.
read the study in the pdf.

 

[goin on 4T]

Yes, I read the article and I am not stupid, I have not had tendon cells implanted. So for me Deca is still an unproven benefactor.

 

[Ckrappraisal]

I had golfers elbow so bad I had to virtually stop my upper body workouts. I started Deca with a HRT doseage of Test E and I have had substantial improvements in the pain in my elbow...very pleased with the results and I'm now able to work out again. So far I'm in love with Deca. The true test will come when it's time for recovery LOL.

 

[goin on 4T]

I agree deca removes or shoould I say masks the pain. But when you stop deca that is where the problems begin.

 

[XMAN.]

the pain comes when u stop deca is because u didn't give it enough time to fully recover, the things is deca works on 2 axis first it mask the pain by increasing the synovial fluids in the joint then it accelerate a bit collagen synthesis cause of the increase of the synovial fluids itself (collagen have a 100 days cycle to regenerate so it will take time to heal a tendon or a ligament needing several cycles to fully repair) so deca just help fastening things but it does not do recovery by itself, need time to lay off training some anti-inflammatory drugs for 2-4 weeks maybe a cortisone infiltration then later on after a month or so start training the injured body part light and slow , but it still let u train instead of stopping for years for some, and it's beneficial for recovery to to keep training but light to moderate when feeling better.
at the beginning of the treatment u keep doing it all year long, and it's a priviledge for ppl on HRT 100-200mg/w all year long with ur hrt , for a year or two depending on the improvement.
but off course it's always better if u use some peptides in the mix as it will do the real acceleration in recovery for all injuries, and heals injuries that usually take years in months.

 

[Essie]

Hmmm ... ... ... this is a debate which I have been witness to soooooooooo many times ... even seen a punch=up once over this topic. Untill today, mostly due to the improvement I saw in quite a few injured guys, I tend to believe that it must hold some value in the claims that it ASSISTS to a certain extent with the healing process. If you can utilise it in combo with Somatropin, or perhaps IGF-LR3, I think, and I emphasize, I THINK you could experience particular positive results. Resting, however, is a key factor to the whole process of healing and a lot of folks seem to forget that and start training again as soon as the pain begins to subside.