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T-Biggs

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I need to run this situation by everyone to see what I can expect.
I ordered 450 anavar tabs from China and they appraently got delivered to the wrong address and who ever it was delivered to opened it found the tabs and reported it to the local police department.
Well the postal inspector stopped by my house asking what they were, who sent them etc........ I told him a friend that was on business over there and sent them over and that they were prohormones and he was sending them over for me to look at as he asked what they are used for I told him weight lifting and I told him as far as I know they are legal and can be purchased over the counter. He then went on to explain that they were sent up state to be tested and if they came back with no active ingredients they would be returned and he will be in touch.
They are 5mg anavar (orange).

Am I looking at doing some time here-I am extremely nervous!!!
 
IMO, you shoulda just played dumb & kept your mouth shut about it all together. Now you have to hope like hell they are fakes otherwise, you are going to have some splainin to do Lucy. Simply because you've already admitted you have knowledge of a package being sent.
 
shit bro, why the hell did you admit to the knowledege of the package. should have kept your mouth shut and play dumbass cos now you better pray every night for some good aura to protect your ass. no offense dude but that was stupid.

yeah, make sure your house is clean like gilly6993 mentioned.

good luck man
 
You screwed up.

Should have not even talked to them. NOW get a lawyer.

He has to dig you out of this and assume your conversation with him was recorded.

T-Biggs said:
I need to run this situation by everyone to see what I can expect.
I ordered 450 anavar tabs from China and they appraently got delivered to the wrong address and who ever it was delivered to opened it found the tabs and reported it to the local police department.
Well the postal inspector stopped by my house asking what they were, who sent them etc........ I told him a friend that was on business over there and sent them over and that they were prohormones and he was sending them over for me to look at as he asked what they are used for I told him weight lifting and I told him as far as I know they are legal and can be purchased over the counter. He then went on to explain that they were sent up state to be tested and if they came back with no active ingredients they would be returned and he will be in touch.
They are 5mg anavar (orange).

Am I looking at doing some time here-I am extremely nervous!!!
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opening mail

Aside from the conversation you had, why the hell did some neighbor open your mail? As far as I know its a federal offense to open delivered mail that is not in your name.

I may be wrong, anyone else clear on this?
 
The problem with your story is that you have now locked yourself into one. You need to think real hard about what you said. They are going to come back and want to know who the friend is, what he was doing there, etc.

Did the postal inspector bring the package over? Did you ever have possession of it, even for a moment?

I agree, clean house, get everything out. If these guys go through with a raid, they will take everything, from vitamins, on up. They also have an affinity for computer equipment. Try to store this stuff with a buddy for a bit unless you want to be without it for months on end. Make sure you are not under survailence when you do this, otherwise they now have probable cause to search the buddy's house too.

And I would consult with an attorney if I was in your shoes. Since they have already gotten info from you one time, they may decide to come back and lean on you much harder, or try and get you to consent to a search. Do not say anything further, and do not consent to a search. People think cooperating will help them out, but dont fall for this.

Don't answer questions dont even talk to them, unless you have to. If you have to, clarify your position upfront: "am I under arrest?", "am i free to go?" Though you may not realize it, the Supreme Court has ruled you have a 5th Amendment right to counsel when placed under police interrogation. This is different from the 6th amend right to counsel which is offense specific. Under the 5th Amend right, you are asking for procedural help with custodial interrogation. If you are advised of your rights (Miranda) then demand an attorney. If you have already talked with an attorney now, you will know who to call.

Not trying to be alarmist here, but you need to make some decisions.
 
no your only choice is to play dumb, dont give any statement, dont admit ownership, and say the Postal Inspector has created the story ...or pray you were sent some bunk shit & the test wilol come back negative for illegal substances.

You should not give any further statement and you have to pretend you never told the Inspector what you told hiim.

Like Gilly Said, get a broom and clean your house
 
Yeah man, that was a bad call. You may have dug yourself in pretty deep here. But hey, you live and learn. Like the others said, get a lawyer and don't tell them anything else.
 
They did ask who sent it I said a freind who was over in China on business and he sent over prohormones for me to look at. And the Postal Inspector did ask where does your friend live and I told them he is back and fourth from China and he may be living there currently and I only talk to him some times via email.
No one brought the package over it-the postal slip was left at my house i signed it then a few days later the postal inspector left his card in my door asking to call him and I did that today.
I never touched the package-the inspector said the way it the way it was packaged it was a bit suspious because it was wrapped in paper towels within card board in a letter marked important documents and he said that is a violation right there because the exact package claims were marked as documents not tabs...
 
They are only 5mg would if they came back extremely weak? Could they still have enough evidence to procecute me?
 
Jeeez..Not to wise bro..but indeed it has no use to look a cow in his ass now anymore..

Clean house like the bros said and play dumb...

D.W.
 
you should have denied everything from the start even that the package was in some way related to you or your friend.

now its prolly wise to start talking to some lawyer about it
 
"You should not give any further statement"

Absolutely.

"pretend you never told the Inspector what you told him."[/B]

Probably, not smart, since there is a chance you were recorded, assume you were. Changing your story now would just raise suspicions.

Guys, you keep saying that "probably will come back no active ingredients" or the like, but I dont see how likely this is, I mean there is just as good a chance it will come back positive, even if it is not var.

You really need to call a lawyer.
 
T-Biggs said:
I need to run this situation by everyone to see what I can expect.
I ordered 450 anavar tabs from China and they appraently got delivered to the wrong address and who ever it was delivered to opened it found the tabs and reported it to the local police department.
Well the postal inspector stopped by my house asking what they were, who sent them etc........ I told him a friend that was on business over there and sent them over and that they were prohormones and he was sending them over for me to look at as he asked what they are used for I told him weight lifting and I told him as far as I know they are legal and can be purchased over the counter. He then went on to explain that they were sent up state to be tested and if they came back with no active ingredients they would be returned and he will be in touch.
They are 5mg anavar (orange).

Am I looking at doing some time here-I am extremely nervous!!!
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Like everyone else said, you should have kept quiet, If anything comes to speak to you agin do not speak without a lawyer.

On the bright side if they were ip anavar, they don't contain any anavar, at least the one's that I had didn't.
 
time to move
 
yea but u don't know if there fake or not they can make you think theyve reallly got u on somthing in order to trick you evenif they are bunk so either way get a lawyer
 
if u were not officially under arrest, your statement can not stick...this country is built by the guilty getting off on technicalities...from now on, just deny everything...if they ask about ur previous statement, say u wish to not comment on it, taking the 5th
 
You should have NEVER acknowledged ownership.

I would have played stupid and let it fall in the hands of the mofo that opened it.

Since you didn't do that.......


Clean your house. Not just of steroids, but EVERYTHING questionable. drug parphanelia, alcohol if you are under the legal age to drink, etc.. etc... etc....

Clean out your car.

Get some kind of software that completely wipes your hard drive and the websites you visit.

Better be thinking quick of someone in China that can be reached to collaberate on your story.

Otherwise, find some half ass website that promises prohormones based in China and tell em you mailed off cash.
 
Thanks Everyone!!

I guess all I can do now is wait it out................I'll update everyone on what happens.


I'm never ordering international again after this-keeping domestic!
 
first clear this...if it is serious enough...id get rid of ur computer, cuz if they take it, u are clearly admitting on here what happened
 
What ever postal service delivered it. Call them up and make a complaint that you never recieved it. Or you could find out if your neighbor can get charged with a fed offense for opening your mail.
 
Right, everyone is right, you shouldn't have said anything, but since you didn't possess the package at any time, they cannot prove it was yours. Get a lawyer, and get all of yoru gear out of the house, now. If you don't want to dump it, leave it with a friend, so you can at least drop by once a week for your weekly shots on your longer chain esters.

I would definately look into having the neighbor prosecuted for opening your mail. That is illegal.
 
well the neighbor can be in trouble for opening mail that didnt have his or her name on it. however your really fucked. get a lawyer ASAP
 
I'll tell you what else,

You need to clean off your emails, delet the cookies off your computer that have access to thise board with your login info, actually, just put your computer at someone else's house while you are at it........
 
Ok, talking to them was dumb but try this:

1) ORDER SOME FU*K*NG PROHORMONE FROM SOMEWHERE IN CHINA. OVERNIGHT. Use a friend's computer (or the library's). Then you can say, "Oh, that's the order I was looking for, Mr. Postmaster."

2) Still talk to a lawyer.

3) If the original package does get delivered, SEND IT BACK. DO NOT take delivery of it. (so far, it hasn't been in your hands. Keep it that way)


luck, bro.
 
DelCastillo said:
Ok, talking to them was dumb but try this:

1) ORDER SOME FU*K*NG PROHORMONE FROM SOMEWHERE IN CHINA. OVERNIGHT. Use a friend's computer (or the library's). Then you can say, "Oh, that's the order I was looking for, Mr. Postmaster."

2) Still talk to a lawyer.

3) If the original package does get delivered, SEND IT BACK. DO NOT take delivery of it. (so far, it hasn't been in your hands. Keep it that way)


luck, bro.
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that sounds like a pretty good idea actually,

now all you have to do is make friends with someone who lives in both china and the US , LOL
 
I definitly would get rid of the computer and definitly find out about getting the neighbor in trouble for opening the mail. You will be able to use that to see if you can squeeze him into something. That would be a big help. Fuck that guy, he invaded your privacy.
 
From experience but in a totally different crime.

Get a lawyer! He will save your ass, and don't be cheap an retain a dumbass. Find yourself a guy you've heard is good.

Tell him the truth because he can't say shit to the cops under law. He'll tell you the options you have. IF THE COPS EVERY COME BACK, DENY DENY DENY! Your first mistake was saying they were yours. It will be your word vs. his. Under interrogation the cops are going to try to act like they are helping you out, but all they are trying to do is lock you in the crime.
 
pharmguy said:
I'll tell you what else,

You need to clean off your emails, delet the cookies off your computer that have access to thise board with your login info, actually, just put your computer at someone else's house while you are at it........
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pharmguy is right. Get rid of your computer for a while if you can. That's the first thing they'll go for to get evidence. If you don't have anybody you can trust with it, spend a night cleaning up your hard drive. You'll need a good "shredder" program to overwrite files and unused space on your harddrive. Here's a good sharewhare program for that:

http://www.tolvanen.com/eraser/

Get a program like cleansweep to clean up your registry and recent files.

Then if your using Windows XP or 98, go through and check your Documents and Settings/ subfolders especially /recent /temp /history /local setting/temporary internet files etc.

Make sure you use eraser to shred the files and not just send to the recycle bin.

After you've done all of that, shred any unused space on your harddrive and once that is finished. Use a program like, Back2Life to scan for those files that your think have been deleted but weren't.

Definitely try to find a safe place for your computer if you can though. Good luck Bro.
 
Why aren't you posting this on the legal forum?
You will get REAL lawyers giving actual real world legal advice there.

Keep your mouth shut. A good investigator will blow huge holes in your story.

BTW - Ignorance is not a good defense.
 
anyways, he cant use your story if you weren't mirandized, just keep your mouth shut from here foward

"Sir, I don't know what package you are refering to, maybe you could show me the package and Ill see if it looks like something I may have been expecting, Oh no sir, wouldn't have the slightest idea. Must be some kind of practical joke..." I didn't say I ordered anything from china. Why would I order, what did you call them? Prohormones? if they are sold over the coubnter from china, what are they for anyways?"
 
If he does try to get his neighbor in trouble for opening it, isn't that like admitting it was his?
 
Bro, that is some messed up shit. I wish I had some good advice for you, but it looks like every body else has already gave about any ideas I could think of. I wish you luck partner.
 
will be able to get out of court on a technicality, illegal search and seizure, tampering with the male is a federal offense, get a GOOD lawyer, you'll be ok.
 
ARE YOU THAT DAMN GREEN

YOU KNEW YOU WERE DOING AN ILLEGAL THING WHEN YOU ORDERED THE SHIT. WHY IN THE FU_K WOULD YOU GET TO TALKING LIKE A PIGEON WHEN THE POLICE GET TO ASKING YOU QUESTIONS? JUST FOR THE FACT OF YOU BEING STUPID YOU DESERVE WHAT EVER THE HELL HAPPENS TO YOU FOR RUNNING YOUR DAMN MOUTH. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES WHO FU_K UP SHIT FOR EVERY BODY ELSE WITH YOUR DAMN MOUTH. YOU NEVER PUNK UP TO LAW OR ANYBODY. YOU NEVER INCRIMINATE YOUR SELF OR ADMITT TO SHIT.
 
matto18 said:
what penalties are there for receiving 450 anavar tabs? i'm curious as to what could happen.
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Well that's 9 units shit starts getting real serious when you have approx 250 units, that's federal. States vary from state to state. So you prabably be looking at probation with either some type of fine or community service. More than likely charges won't be filed.
But you never know, being that he admitted everything to the cops.
 
magman1 said:
if u were not officially under arrest, your statement can not stick...this country is built by the guilty getting off on technicalities...from now on, just deny everything...if they ask about ur previous statement, say u wish to not comment on it, taking the 5th
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Bullshit any information that you volunteer to a cop can be used against you.
 
GawdsGift said:
will be able to get out of court on a technicality, illegal search and seizure, tampering with the male is a federal offense, get a GOOD lawyer, you'll be ok.
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That sounds about right, but its going to cost you a lot


and its spelled "mail" , I'd rather tamper with a female

that just looks funny hehe
 
This is what my feelings are.
1) you should have denied it but since you did not lets get beyond this
2) He could not record your conversation unless you were notified of him doing so. The tape would never be allowed.
3) no need to get rid of the computer. Purchase a new Harddrive and get the old hardrive out of your house.
4) clean house. Don't leave anything to be chanced.
5) No more answering questions without representation
6) this will blow over. You never possesed it and it would be your word against someone elses. Remember if it went to court during jury selection one of the questions asked to prospective jurors is if they would believe a police officers testamony over someone elses.

Lay low and stay calm. No rash moves or anything. Trust me it will blow over in time but keep you nose and your house clean
 
send all ur gear to me, and it will be safe...anyway, where in philly do u live? ur telling me city cops are bustin ur balls for this? if it happened in actual philadelphia, they probably threw that shit out and ul never hear from them again...i am not sure of the legality of u already admitting to a cop it was urs...what the fuck were u thinking? but it is a fact, cops can lie and twist things to get you to confess...no matter what they say, deny you had anything sent to you, even if it contradicts what u previously said
 
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I'm never ordering international again after this-keeping domestic!
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bro this has nothing to do with it!!!! Wether or not it came from overseas or domestic this problem could happen. where your fucked here is what you said. bro it is very very important that you guy has the correct mailing info.
 
Everyone keeps saying that he admitted that they were his. He merely said he was expecting a package of prohormones (which are legal). Its not his fault that steroids came instead. I have a feeling that this won't stick, but definetaly clean house and play dumb, real dumb.
 
liftsiron said:


Well that's 9 units shit starts getting real serious when you have approx 250 units, that's federal.
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Wrongo, sleighbell lovers. Its ALREADY federal: you willingly and knowingly tried to import meds without a prescription from... get this.. a country that is on the "You cant import meds from" list.

All that asside, all mail fraud is federal, and since you have enough to be considered importing with intent to distribute... well.... teach your girl to bake cakes with files in them.

Forget erasing emails: time to low level reformat that drive and any other storage media. Might be real good time to eat like a fucking horse too, 7% bodyfat on a guy that can lift the postal inspectors Fiesta with one hand puts you in a suspicious category as it is. You might want to make a little pre-thanksgiving fire out of your Secrets to Mailorder Steroid Success. Also its not enough to clean. You need to either torch or ditch anything that has come incontact with any goodies. Home soap wont do it.

Just prepare for the worst, if it blows over, you learned some valuable shit, if it doesnt, you will be less at risk by having prepared.
 
Ok I did not talk to any law officials as of yet-only the postal inspector once and very briefly I told him prohormones because Var is very low as an anabolic substance (or maybe they are dosed exremely weak) so maybe they would pass as a prohormone-it was just a thought.
I am contacting a lawyer today and if I am questioned by any cops I will simply say I don't know who sent the pack I have one friend in China and I contacted him and he did not send anything so I have no idea where they came from.
All other precautioned mentioned by all have been taken-just to add.
 
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sorry mate. Postal inspectors ARE federal law officers. they carry guns and can arrest you for farting on a parcel post item.
 
sorry mate. Postal inspectors ARE federal law officers, they carry guns and can arrest you for farting on a parcel post item.
 
did I do that? sorry about the double post. Browser freak out.
 
That is total Bullshit. You're watching too much TV.

pharmguy said:
anyways, he cant use your story if you weren't mirandized, just keep your mouth shut from here foward
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If it’s fake you can still be charged and convicted as if it were the real thing.

Your conversation, if it was one on one was probably recorded and you should assume this. It IS legal to record a conversation if you are involved in it.

If there were two inspectors talking to you then both of them backing up each other is as good as gold in court.

Your neighbors WILL not be prosecuted for opening your package. Since they probably stated up front it was in error. I doubt they said that they opened it because they wanted to see if it was anything worth keeping.

My credentials, ex-cop and police academy instructor. Unless you are a criminal defense attorney then I don’t want to hear anything.
 
"If it’s fake you can still be charged and convicted as if it were the real thing."


Why would you say that-how can they charge me for fake gear, which is probably just fillers-if I am so lucky?
 
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mikebzt said:
This is what my feelings are.
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2) He could not record your conversation unless you were notified of him doing so. The tape would never be allowed.
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THIS IS FLAT OUT WRONG - not sure where you went to law school, but law enforcement can and frequently does record conversations in which they, officer, informant, agent, etc, are involved. It is passive recording devices in areas in which you have a reasonable expectation of privacy that they get into trouble for if they dont have a warrant. You better check up on your 4th Amendment law before giving legal advice. Just because you watch law and order doesn't mean you know everything.


As far as "If it’s fake you can still be charged and convicted as if it were the real thing" I am not sure what law that is being referred to here, since there is no general federal attempt provision here. Clearly state laws vary on this. Bringing in any meds or counterfits thereof not permitted, outside of the exceptions which dont apply here, but what you would be tried and convicted for is not the same crime as possession of schedule III controlled substance. Can you be charge with a crime for importing these, probably so, but it would be a different violation.
 
act like it must have been someone else they spoke to. my theory on life..." deny, deny, deny..
 
I have worn wires while working as a cop. I have also busted people who were selling fake drugs and they were obvious fakes. In trial (once that I had to appear) he was convicted even though the labs came back that it was fake. The crack was actually soap chips but he was convicted.

New York...

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THIS IS FLAT OUT WRONG - not sure where you went to law school, but law enforcement can and frequently does record conversations in which they, officer, informant, agent, etc, are involved. It is passive recording devices in areas in which you have a reasonable expectation of privacy that they get into trouble for if they dont have a warrant. You better check up on your 4th Amendment law before giving legal advice. Just because you watch law and order doesn't mean you know everything.


As far as "If it’s fake you can still be charged and convicted as if it were the real thing" I am not sure what law that is being referred to here, since there is no general federal attempt provision here. Clearly state laws vary on this. Bringing in any meds or counterfits thereof not permitted, outside of the exceptions which dont apply here, but what you would be tried and convicted for is not the same crime as possession of schedule III controlled substance. Can you be charge with a crime for importing these, probably so, but it would be a different violation.
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Im with you on this bro. I live right near Philly and in most cases they are prob testing to see if it XTC.




magman1 said:
send all ur gear to me, and it will be safe...anyway, where in philly do u live? ur telling me city cops are bustin ur balls for this? if it happened in actual philadelphia, they probably threw that shit out and ul never hear from them again...i am not sure of the legality of u already admitting to a cop it was urs...what the fuck were u thinking? but it is a fact, cops can lie and twist things to get you to confess...no matter what they say, deny you had anything sent to you, even if it contradicts what u previously said
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Totally wrong....

A police office can ask questions and you are free not to answer them. If you give them probable cause they will arrest you. Even then, a Mirada is only given when they are asking additional questions when you are already under arrest.

Second, courts are starting to allow statements when Miranda was NOT given after an arrest. There is also something called spontaneous utterance that is another story.

It's not a crime to open up someone elses mail unless there was intenet. Remember Culpable mental state?


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Unless yu were being formally interrogated, nothing you said means shit. You weren't Marandized, it's out the window. Forget it.

Also, it's a crime to open somone else's mail.

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I feel your pain... The PD a few towns over from me is sitting on a bottle of test and a bottle of EQ. Not to mention taking everything in my house that was labeled "vitamin supplement". I was told everything was going to be lab tested and they would get back to me. Its been two months... no contact. I don't know how long the tests take but I wouldn't be surprised if the cops that went through my house start getting bigger and stronger.
 
Also it is legal for a cop to outright lie and promise to let you off if you cooperate. The cop has the legal right to make up stories and tell you of false accusations in order to get you to talk. Remember the best cops are the worst lying, deceitful cocksuckers to walk this planet.
 
I'm not saying a word any further and I have already contacted my lawyer (he's a shark) and he said wait until they try to covict me and he will handle everything.
 
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Whatever you do, DO NOT accept the package.

Your statements are admissible as evidence against you. Nobody with half a brain is going to believe the "they're my friend's drugs" excuse and if you have to get onto the stand to defend yourself, you will get ASSRAPED on cross if you try to perjure your way out of this.

If you do go to trial, it will be the postal inspector's word against nobody's because your lawyer will not, cannot, allow you to go onto the stand and perjure yourself.

Most of the cases in which people are convicted with fake shit are when they are trying to sell the fakes. Possession of fake shit is not a crime. But, if you attempt to purchase illegal things, you need not actually be sold them to be charged. Merely attempting to buy illegal drugs is a crime once the money changes hands and the attempt is perfected.

450 anavars is a distribution charge if there ever was one.
 
450 anavars is a distribution charge if there ever was one.

Hey liftshard, this is a quite small amount of steroids why would this be a distribution charge? Perhaps because the cops would view each pill as a unit instead of the federal guidelines which states fifty steroid pills = 1 unit?
 
liftsiron said:
450 anavars is a distribution charge if there ever was one.

Hey liftshard, this is a quite small amount of steroids why would this be a distribution charge? Perhaps because the cops would view each pill as a unit instead of the federal guidelines which states fifty steroid pills = 1 unit?
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not too long ago there was a story of a guy that got caught with like 20-30 dbol and was charged with distibution. fucked up to say the least
 
dude dont say another word to anyone..... just talk to a lawyer you should have never said anything.

if this happens to anyone repeat the following

"hmmm thats my name but i have no clue what they are.i wasnt expecting any packages. if youd excuse me i have to be at work in 30 minutes. is there anything you need me to do?"
 
T-Biggs, I let them search my house on something entirely different. A friend of mine went into a coma from GHB and they thought I was making the shit in a lab in my house. I knew they would find my gear so, like an idiot, I told them about it and let them search my house with hopes I would not get screwed on the GHB thing. They were putting heat on me too. Telling me my buddy was going to die and they were going to charge me with murder. I will tell you this much... As much as you want to do the right thing... everyone here is right... don't tell the cops shit. They will always screw you in the end. Every day I keep waiting for the phone call telling me to go down to the station. Not a good feeling. I would sit down with a lawyer and see what they think.
 
just did some research bro...bad news, talked to a few federal agents, and explained the situation...you will be transferred to china, bc that is where the original crime took place, and be imprisoned there...alright, bad time for humor...dont even say about ur one friend in china...the less info, the better...less likely to fuck up on...the cops will lie to you, promise u this and that, do not answer any questions, especially unless ur attorny is present...who is it, if you dont mind me asking?
 
Don't worry about it Bro. These MF's will come back and try to pressure you to say something to incriminate yourself. At this point, they only have illegally obtained evidence and your statement. While scary as fuck, if you keep your head, you are untouchable. No judge is going to convict you on evidence obtained as a result of someone else's crime.:D :D In other words, if your f'ing neighbor hadn't broke the law, you wouldn't be being hassled. Without that evidence, what do they have?
 
Get a lawyer, it sounds as if the chain of custody concerning the shipment will not indict you in a crime, considering you are not the one who received and opened it. I am not quite sure of the legalities, but I don't think should you say anything until you get legal counsel.
 
Bro, now that you are telling everything to the officer, DO NOT MENTION THIS BOARD!!...or we will be in troubles...lol.
 
Cant you go into contact with someone in china, pay him, and have him send real prohormones or some shit. Or make up a story that would cover up for you lie.

I dont see how anyone can get convicted for being sent something (I know, I know what we're nervous about is the fact that he didnt deny from the begining but still). So if I send packages containing drugs (anything ilegal anyway) to other people they can get convicted for it...

Hope everything turns out well.

Dan
 
Again I thank everyone for their advise/support-I have definitely learned my lesson, which is far from over, but I have seeked legal help and my lawyer said not to worry and wait until they try to charge me with something, clean house, don't talk and cooperate with the cops if they conduct a search.
This whole situation was definitley a rookie move and I should have known better (been in the game for 6yrs now), but mistakes happen and now I have to deal with it.


So I will definitely keep everyone informed on what happens because hopefully everyone can learn from my mistake!!
 
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One last thing...you need to take this computer to a friends house until this blows over or completely erase the hard drive..the info on this thread alone will get you in trouble if they discover it!


RADAR
 
liftsiron said:
450 anavars is a distribution charge if there ever was one.

Hey liftshard, this is a quite small amount of steroids why would this be a distribution charge? Perhaps because the cops would view each pill as a unit instead of the federal guidelines which states fifty steroid pills = 1 unit?
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Cuz it's 450. That "seems" like more than one person could use. Just cuz you're charged don't mean it'll stick.
 
bfit01 said:
Don't worry about it Bro. These MF's will come back and try to pressure you to say something to incriminate yourself. At this point, they only have illegally obtained evidence and your statement. While scary as fuck, if you keep your head, you are untouchable. No judge is going to convict you on evidence obtained as a result of someone else's crime.:D :D In other words, if your f'ing neighbor hadn't broke the law, you wouldn't be being hassled. Without that evidence, what do they have? [/B]
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This is abso-fucking-lutely FALSE.

The evidence was obtained through the behavior of a PRIVATE actor, not a state actor. Warrant requirements are therefore irrelevant.

YES, a private actor CAN break into your house, see your stash of dead bodies, call the police, and EVERY damned piece of the evidence is 100% admissible with respect to the 4th Amendment.

In the future, do not dispense legal advice unless you know what the fuck you are talking about.
 
Thanks, you saved me the trouble of writing this up!

But I have to ad this and it has NOTHING to do with you liftshard.

One thing I noticed on this board is that guys here watch TV and think that shit is real. Then they pass this bullshit information onto other people. Someone is going to one-day get hurt by the bad legal advice given out.

What I read in an earlier post about cops, specifically detectives lying about everything to get information is so damn true you cannot even begin to understand it.

They will state the DA has agreed to “fill in blanks here” and hold a piece of paper in front of you waving it around “if you just tell us”. It’s probably their laundry list for home. Cops and the DA do not talk until well after you are processed.

Tell you that your buddy in the next room just gave you up as the mastermind of the whole thing. Saying the same thing to your buddy. Trying to get one of you to panic and tell them “the real story”

Moral of the story

If they have you and arrest you. Know the whole story. They will never ask you a question. Not even Miranda you.

If they start asking questions, telling you how smart you were to XYZ then they are fishing. Shut up at this point and don’t think you are smarter then they are.

Smart people love to hear how smart they are and brag without even realizing it. Cops will play what they already know, to make you feel comfortable that they have info on you, more then they really have. Since they already know, what’s the harm about talking about it or denying it? Well buddy, you are feeding them more and more info for every word you speak.

They still play good cop bad cop. The good cop is usually the one who sits with you when the others leave the room. He is supposed to be “watching” you. Make sure you don’t try to escape. He’ll be your best friend if you let him.

There are tons of questioning tactics. It’s a course they give to detectives. It works… That’s why the NYPD has the highest confession rate nationwide.

6 detectives, and 2 inspectors interrogated me for 9 hours. I asked for a lawyer and I was told to fuck myself and answer the questions. I was cuffed nearly hog-tied to a small school chair that my kidneys felt like they were going to burst from leaning forward.

When I didn’t talk to their satisfaction (I said NOTHINING) they added on tons of bogus charges and told me that by the time the DA sorted it out and I could never come up with bail I’ll be more then happy to talk with them.

You can see I have no love for the NYPD.




liftshard said:


This is abso-fucking-lutely FALSE.

The evidence was obtained through the behavior of a PRIVATE actor, not a state actor. Warrant requirements are therefore irrelevant.

YES, a private actor CAN break into your house, see your stash of dead bodies, call the police, and EVERY damned piece of the evidence is 100% admissible with respect to the 4th Amendment.

In the future, do not dispense legal advice unless you know what the fuck you are talking about.
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good advice

bfit01 said:
Don't worry about it Bro. These MF's will come back and try to pressure you to say something to incriminate yourself. At this point, they only have illegally obtained evidence and your statement. While scary as fuck, if you keep your head, you are untouchable. No judge is going to convict you on evidence obtained as a result of someone else's crime.:D :D In other words, if your f'ing neighbor hadn't broke the law, you wouldn't be being hassled. Without that evidence, what do they have?
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good advice
 
You can get arrested… However, in trial the chain of evidence is fucked because of who opened it.

Ordering something now and claiming NOW it was this new product you were waiting for can only work against you. This is something you want to pull out of a hat in trial and not give them something to disprove up front.
 
Well, I for one do not recommend ordering drugs without a precsription, .....

but I cannot picture them testing for anavar. They send it to the lab and they begin by deciding what substances to test for. Hmmm, could it be : recreational, steroids, pharmaceutical for a medical condition. Do we test for speed, do we test for dianabol, do we test for various blood pressure meds, do we test for viagra?

However telling them you thought it was a prohormone narrows the categories they might consider down to steroids much more quickly...okay its steroids lets begin testing...they still have to potentially test for oxmethylone, methenedione, halotestin, oxandrolone, stanozolol. Now its starting to get costly. I imagine the first choice would be to test for dbol if they are going to test for steroids.

I am not sure how likely it is that they will be willing to expend the type of money needed to test for everything possible until they determine exactly what it is?

Anyone have an idea? Will they try one or two things and give up? Or are they willing to keep testing and testing until they find something? How big of a town do you live in? I doubt small towns have the labs necessary and budget to begin testing some pills for everything under the sky.
 
[email][email protected][/email] said:
Thanks, you saved me the trouble of writing this up!

One thing I noticed on this board is that guys here watch TV and think that shit is real. Then they pass this bullshit information onto other people. Someone is going to one-day get hurt by the bad legal advice given out.
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thats the internet for ya bro...and its not just legal advice, its a lot of the advice given out on the anabolic board...thats why it is such a fucked up game we play
 
destroy your computer. Literally. break the hard drive with a hammer, then burn the fucker in a metal bin.

i'm dead serious. You can buy a new computer w/ a $1k. The evidence they could get off your computer alone could fuck you - hard.
 
I've seen them... Police have a database of pills, both legit and black market that they can compare what they have in their hands visually to. Once they can compare what they are holding to what it looks like or could be on their database, they can narrow down their search.

Local police resources are limited. However, in my case, they sent over $500,000 investigating me only to recover $1000 in the end. The police department also considered this a "sucess".

What I am trying to say is if they want you bad enough, they will get you. Hope it's not a slow quarter for them....

Generic MALE said:


I am not sure how likely it is that they will be willing to expend the type of money needed to test for everything possible until they determine exactly what it is?

Anyone have an idea? Will they try one or two things and give up? Or are they willing to keep testing and testing until they find something? How big of a town do you live in? I doubt small towns have the labs necessary and budget to begin testing some pills for everything under the sky.
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