Has anyone tried Nelson Montana's Post Cycle Alternatives to Clomid?

[macrophage69alpha]

Much of what you hard and read regarding ejaculate volume is a myth. I'm responsible to that in a way, but that's a long story. At any rate; Clomid reduces ejaculate.

its not a "myth".. it definitely increases "volume".. studies show this as well..

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Here's a check list of why clomid sucks.

It does not work on everyone.
Why does this make it a bad choice for the majority of people it does work on?

It causes severe loss of libido in many people.
If someones libido is shot at the end of a cycle, dont you think its because they are shut down in the first place????

Clomid causes depression.
Only in some users. I experienced no such side effects. In fact Ive noticed an increase in energy levels once clomid therapy began.

It lowers ejaculate volume.
Everything Ive read and personally experienced is in total contradiction to this statement

Clomid can cause disturbances in eyesight.

There's really no way of knowing how much it helped -- especially if it takes weeks, which enough time for the HPTA to restore itself in many cases.
One can compare recovery from a cycle ended with and without clomid. Id wager most will say their recovery was much faster with the administration of clomid

Too low of an e level will hinder gains.
I was under the impression that too high of an estrogen level put the body in a catabolic state, something you try to avoid at the end of a cycle

Too low of an e level will raise LDL.

Most pros have stopped using it . (For what it's worth)
Most pros dont even come off, so whats the point of clomid?

If you cycle correctly, you don't need it.
??????

agree with most of yossarian analysis..

add that clomid increases hdl and lowers LDL

clomid does not affect E level.. its merely a receptor antagonist.. systemic e is unchanged


nelson,

your opinion is your own.... but in this particular case it is contradicted by fact in several areas...
while you, and some individuals, may have bad experiences with clomid... most people do not..

btw- if you are going to attack it you might as well include the strange acne that it can cause... thats a good one.. and true

 

[MasterChief]

Maybe you're happy and peppy on CLomid but I'll bet that even Clomid defenders will admit it messes with their mood.

I agree I feel like a sack of shit on clomid. I get so depressed.

 

[solidspine]

I think there are three major post cycle therapies, CLOMID, HCG, and Nolvadex,
I have not tried the Nolvadex program, but it has been outlined on the board before and I have saved the thread.

The only thing I dislike about Clomid vrs HCG is the mood swing,

It is bad enough when on gear, Clomid really makes me wig out!

 

[pajaro loco]

For a complete recuperation of your testicles and seminal volume as well as libido, you should use HCG AND CLOMID. It doesn,t matter if U experience some depresion or sadness for a while IF U ARE GOING TO MANTAIN the gains and RECOVER your HTPA.

 

[solidspine]

For a complete recuperation of your testicles and seminal volume as well as libido, you should use HCG AND CLOMID. It doesn,t matter if U experience some depresion or sadness for a while IF U ARE GOING TO MANTAIN the gains and RECOVER your HTPA.

Good advice, thanks

 

[sk*]

Those individuals that report loss of libido on clomid report it not because of clomid directly but rather because of the hormonal changes.

-sk

 

[Nelson Montana]

macro: I don't understand your "your opinion is your own" comment. Isn't everyone's opinion their own? Besides, I have cleraly stated over and over and over again, that these symptoms occur in SOME people. (I'd say about 40%) If it works for you, great. But that doesn't mean it's the "sure thing" that some people make it out to be. And n many cases it does more harm than good. In my case, I hardly ejaculate a drop when on it. Meanwhile, with maca, zinc and avena sative, I'm gushing. (Sorry for being so graphic but, you know, this is important.

Also, I've seen studies where clomid's been shown to LOWER LDL.

It also raises SHBG.

It's just one of those weird things -- which may not be so weird when you realize Clomid is an estrogen and was developed as a fertility drug for women. Is it any wonder it has an unpredictable response in men?

At best, it's a crap shoot, and I believe people should know that. I know of no one else who has presented this prior to my writings, and since I've brought this to the publics attention, a lot of people have come forward in agreement.

Clomid is effective in some men, has no effect on others and is detremental in the rest. But if you're among the group where it imparts its negitive effects, it's a pretty miserable experience.

And no matter what, too low of an estrogen level will effect gains and raise lipid profile. That' s a fact.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

It's just one of those weird things -- which may not be so weird when you realize Clomid is an estrogen and was developed as a fertility drug for women. Is it any wonder it has an unpredictable response in men?

actually its widely used for fertility problems in men... the basis is neither male nor female.. it is based on clomid antagonism of the ER in the pituitary.

btw- remember who ( ) pointed it out to you that clomid was a mixed agonist/antagonist of the ER...

thus does not need such an reminder

 

[thelegacy]

macrophage69alpha is smarter than nelson--so i trust macro