Has anyone tried Nelson Montana's Post Cycle Alternatives to Clomid?

[Nelson Montana]

Yossarian: I find it interesting that you're so fracious toward me because I express an opinion. Well, newsflash bro. Most conclusions for the most detailed scientic studies are in essence, opinions. What makes one opinion credible and another one that just anybody can pull out of ther ass, is the logic supporting it. If I haven't done that for you, then so be it. But it's well known that I've offered quite a bit of detailed information on these boards, yet, it's never enough for some people. What that really means is, you just don't want to hear it.

I also find it interesting is the ongoing disparagment toward my book. It always comes from someone who never read it.

And one more thing. My calling you a moron was a joke of sorts. I was reponding toward your "stupid" comment. And like so many others who make similar unimaginative remarks, it shows you have nothing to say other than "the other guy is wrong."

Okay, concerning Clomid. I've addressed this before and yes, I get into more detail in my NEW book:

BOTTOM LINE BODYBUILDING The Cold Hard Facts On Training - Diets - Supplements - and Drugs.

(That was for you Yossarian)

Here's a check list of why clomid sucks.

It does not work on everyone.

It causes severe loss of libido in many people.

Clomid causes depression.


It lowers ejaculate volume.


Clomid can cause disturbances in eyesight.

There's really no way of knowing how much it helped -- especially if it takes weeks, which enough time for the HPTA to restore itself in many cases.

Too low of an e level will hinder gains.

Too low of an e level will raise LDL.

Most pros have stopped using it . (For what it's worth)

If you cycle correctly, you don't need it.

There are more reasons but hopefully this will act as a refernce for the next 10000000000000 times I'm asked the same question.

 

[DeepZenPill]

Nelson: I'm sure you've posted this already somewhere, but when do you expect your new book to be available?

 

[_Yossarian_]

Yossarian: I find it interesting that you're so fracious toward me because I express an opinion. Well, newsflash bro. Most conclusions for the most detailed scientic studies are in essence, opinions. What makes one opinion credible and another one that just anybody can pull out of ther ass, is the logic supporting it. If I haven't done that for you, then so be it. But it's well known that I've offered quite a bit of detailed information on these boards, yet, it's never enough for some people. What that really means is, you just don't want to hear it.

I also find it interesting is the ongoing disparagment toward my book. It always comes from someone who never read it.

And one more thing. My calling you a moron was a joke of sorts. I was reponding toward your "stupid" comment. And like so many others who make similar unimaginative remarks, it shows you have nothing to say other than "the other guy is wrong."

Okay, concerning Clomid. I've addressed this before and yes, I get into more detail in my NEW book:

BOTTOM LINE BODYBUILDING The Cold Hard Facts On Training - Diets - Supplements - and Drugs.

(That was for you Yossarian)

Here's a check list of why clomid sucks.

It does not work on everyone.
Why does this make it a bad choice for the majority of people it does work on?

It causes severe loss of libido in many people.
If someones libido is shot at the end of a cycle, dont you think its because they are shut down in the first place????

Clomid causes depression.
Only in some users. I experienced no such side effects. In fact Ive noticed an increase in energy levels once clomid therapy began.

It lowers ejaculate volume.
Everything Ive read and personally experienced is in total contradiction to this statement

Clomid can cause disturbances in eyesight.

There's really no way of knowing how much it helped -- especially if it takes weeks, which enough time for the HPTA to restore itself in many cases.
One can compare recovery from a cycle ended with and without clomid. Id wager most will say their recovery was much faster with the administration of clomid

Too low of an e level will hinder gains.
I was under the impression that too high of an estrogen level put the body in a catabolic state, something you try to avoid at the end of a cycle

Too low of an e level will raise LDL.

Most pros have stopped using it . (For what it's worth)
Most pros dont even come off, so whats the point of clomid?

If you cycle correctly, you don't need it.
??????

As for saying your full of shit, I was just offended you called me a moron. But I suppose I did start the name calling, and for that I apologize.

I just simply do not agree with most of your statements regarding clomid. And for the ones that I feel hold validity, I believe they are far outweighed by its benefits.

 

[thx9000]

thanks for the reply. I've certainly noticed some profound sadness, if not depression and lowered libido...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Okay. I like it when people are more civil to one another. That comes from establishing a dialouge. Until that happens, it's just reactions to anonymous words.

To address your points.

The loss of libido has nothing to do with being post cycle. You can take clomid by itself without ever doing a cycle and it will kill libido -- not in everyone. But in many.

Maybe you're happy and peppy on CLomid but I'll bet that even Clomid defenders will admit it messes with their mood.

Much of what you hard and read regarding ejaculate volume is a myth. I'm responsible to that in a way, but that's a long story. At any rate; Clomid reduces ejaculate.

Estrogen isn't the cause of catabolism and even though it wasn't mentioned, low T isn't solely the result of high e. Both can be low. Both can be high.

If Clomid increased T, pros would use it, believe me.

 

[drrman]

i do agree with nelson on this one, i've always thought and said clomid sucked from my first time trying it, it made me feel like shit, still lost some gains, and gave me hella acne. I don't care about the science behind it, i've tried it twice, sucked ass both times

 

[liftsiron]

Bump

 

[Mr. Black]

My intention was not to initiate a pissing war as to why or why not clomid sucks, rather a poll of sorts as to if anyone had tried the mentioned alternatives....Can anyone comment?

 

[DepressiveJuice]

My intention was not to initiate a pissing war as to why or why not clomid sucks, rather a poll of sorts as to if anyone had tried the mentioned alternatives....Can anyone comment?

heh yea. bump for anyone who has tried mr montana's post cycle therapy

 

[macrophage69alpha]

The loss of libido has nothing to do with being post cycle. You can take clomid by itself without ever doing a cycle and it will kill libido -- not in everyone. But in many.

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actually in most people clomid increases libido