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For those of you who are cutting and hate dieting..READ THIS

Kakdiesel

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Okay, I've been thinking about posting this for a while now but I've finally decided to do so cuz I wanna help a few of you out since most of you are probably like me when it comes to dieting and cutting out certain foods etc.

here goes..and trust me, this diet works for cutting: you'll see why

Kakdiesel's Cheeseburger diet

When I am cutting, I eat cheeseburgers..Around 6 a day..and I lose fat..No joke..and here's how

For breakfast, lunch, and dinner I eat two cheeseburgers.

The hamburger beef is 4% lean, the cheese is fat free cheese singles, and the so called bun is two pieces of whole wheat bread.

Here's how it works out. These are the totals for macronutrient ratio's and calories

Bread (4 slices) 28 carbs, 16 protein, 4 fat, 200 calories
4% lean beef (8 oz = two patties) 0 carbs, 48 protein, 9 fat, 280 calories

I use mustard and diet ketchup as condiments that are almost neglible amounts of calories..i stack on the tomato, pickles, and lettuce which again, have neglible calories but add "ruffage" to my meal so I feel "fuller"

Total amount for each of the 3 meals I eat like that for the day?

28 carbs, 64 protein 13 fat , and roughly 500 calories

3 times a day, puts me at 84 carbs, 192 protein, 39 fat, and 1500 calories..

Now for my other three meals i eat (one between breakfast and lunch, one between lunch and dinner, and the same before bed), consists of 2 scoops of whey which works out to 10 grams of carbs, 42 grams of protein, 5 grams of fat, and 260 calories each time.
Therefore, when you add all of this together, my total for the day is:

114 grams of carbs, 318 grams of protein, and 54 grams of fat, and a total of 2280 calories for the day and i'm always FULL


Now the logic behind this diet (which you should do for everyday for 3-4 weeks straight) is this:

You will never crave junkfood mcdonald's cheeseburgers (my favorite junkfood by the way) and by the end of the 3-4th week, you'll be so sick of cheeseburgers and the taste of it, that you'll be dying to get a can of tuna and some oatmeal..well at least it works for me...

Plus the greatest thing about this diet is that it is high in protein, low in carbs and keeps you full...basically every thing you need to have for a successful cutting cycle...

any opinions, questions or comments?? (by the way, sometimes I add a 1/2 tablespoon of flax with my protein shakes in the morning and afternoon so that adds an additional 140 calories total for the day which isnt that much more anyways.)
 
what's up kak? been a while!

Now for my reply to your post...

holy shit man, this actually makes sense... imma try it.
 
Now the only exception to this is my workout days (which is 4 days out of the week)

I just substitute on of the "cheeseburger" meals and have the same amount of macronutrients in other forms of food:

I eat a protein bar (mylo bioprotein, cookies and cream!)

it has 39 grams of carbs, 21 grams of protein, and 5 grams of fat and a total of 290 calories.

so as you can see, my calories go down about 200 for that day (which is why I add flax seed in that day to balance it out) while my carbs go up 11 grams (whoopty doo), and my protein falls down about 40 grams for that meal (versus my regular cheeseburger meal)...but with the "simple sugars' found in my protein bar, i'm ensuring fast delivery of glycogen replenishment while still keeping carbs low for the day..

make sense??
 
ChrisOh said:
what's up kak? been a while!

Now for my reply to your post...

holy shit man, this actually makes sense... imma try it.

On yong hah sha mee kah

what up man..i quit the chat board here..i'm gonna stay strictly on training, supplementation, and stuff..no more drama for me..

just come for informational and educational purposes now
 
Actually, that diet would be EXCELLENT tofollow because red meat is high in l-alanine (sp?) which is amino acid that spares muscle, which would be great when dieting. I just don't like all that bread. But hey, it's all about the calories right?
 
wow..thanks for sharing some 411 to us starving bodybuilders out there.......my only beef with this is that your counting 3 protein shakes as 3 meals......in my diet i just use them to jack up my protein on top of eating 5 to 6 SOLID meals a day. dieting sucks and its more of a mental game then physical.......check out what im doing.....meal 1=protein shake and oatmeal,meal 2 is my cheat....grilled chicken breast sandwich with bun(2 breasts) from miami subs. meal 3 is lean steak grilled on my foreman,meal 4 is a big can of tuna(low sodioum),meal 5 is a boiled chicken breast,and then ill have a protein shake b4 i go to bed.....plus ill have a shake after i workout.....eating big wether pre-contest or off-season is the name of the game 4 results........karma always welcome:fro:
 
well bison would be nice but i'm a working chiropractic student..so right now i dont have bison bucks..only beef from kroger's along with my kroger plus card heheheh..

but seriously you all should look into this diet..it seriously helps and works..plus psychologically with teh whole cheeseburger taste and gettin sick of it almost, you will never or will almost never want to "cheat" while cutting with some junkfood
 
ChrisOh said:
how much would a diet like this cost?

LOl are you being seroius?

I guess it costs me around 100 bucks every 10 days at the grocery store..the key is to have a Kroger's Plus Member card (its a grocery store for those of you who arent in the midwest or south)..
 
iceman11111 said:
I like it too!

anything to do with burgars is a good thing!!!

As you can tell, dieting is very hard for me.

I have a question as I am pretty new to the dieting thing.

Isn't it better to have all of your meals in the day be the same amount of Calories or close to it?

I am going to be starting a diet soon, at around 2500 cal's and then working my way down from there!

no they dont have to be all equal in calories or macronutrient ratios..if anything you dont want that cuz it keeps your body "guessing" which is a good thing..you never want your body to "get use" to anything while your trianing or dieting..
 
cheeseburgers, i love cheeseburgers. i eat mine on wheat bread too. just get lean meat and your all good. i dont think this diet is gonna work for the serious bb but for any rec bb it should work as long your cals are low. eat some tuna or eggs if you get sick of the burgers. man this thread makes me want to go cook a burger right before bed. damnit
 
Mass Myth said:
cheeseburgers, i love cheeseburgers. i eat mine on wheat bread too. just get lean meat and your all good. i dont think this diet is gonna work for the serious bb but for any rec bb it should work as long your cals are low. eat some tuna or eggs if you get sick of the burgers. man this thread makes me want to go cook a burger right before bed. damnit

Um why not? Are you gonna sit there and tell me that 100 calories to Joe Shmoe doesnt equal 100 calories to Jay Cutler? or that somehow that the macronutrient ratio's do not work?

I mean yeah sure, the level of calories will vary from person to person..a 300lb man tryin to cut will need more calories and a 120 pound female will need less calories..thats not the point...i would like to hope most on here are smart enough to tinker around with the numbers so that it will be correct for them.

"Eat some tuna or eggs.." Whatever bro, thats what this post was exactly for..those who try that kind of thinking and fail or cheat and give up because there's no "weening" process..its like after eating a "normal diet" (whatever that means) then going straight to a strict tuna and egg diet??? Cmon, thats pretty hard to do. Like i said, this post was for those who hate cutting and its a small helper thats all.
 
bump

Kakdiesel said:
anybody else?
kinda like an atkins diet but you have more carbs than he would prefer,basically you stick to meat and protien and low carbs, looks good. I made a post awhile back trying to use this same diet strategy to lose fat while bulking up and gaing lean mass, but i guess bulking is eating everything in sight!
 
Re: bump

mtgmt4 said:

kinda like an atkins diet but you have more carbs than he would prefer,basically you stick to meat and protien and low carbs, looks good. I made a post awhile back trying to use this same diet strategy to lose fat while bulking up and gaing lean mass, but i guess bulking is eating everything in sight!

well i think the exact numbers i used in my example would work for anybody from 170-200 pounds..i'm at 190 and around 6% bf..

the carb amount is enough to keep muscle glycogen full (so workouts arent ill-effected) and to keep you out of ketosis..although I've done a CKD numerous times and even written an article on it for another sports supplement company's website, its hard for most people to follow..
 
Charles Ray said:
Do you have any suggestions for french fries?:rolleyes:


bake a small sized potato, cut it into thick strips, fry it on a frying pan using some kind of non-fat cooking spray and eat with diet ketchup.

the potato has 50 grams of carbs and around 200 calories..

i'm assuming you're not tryin to be a smart ass:rolleyes:
 
just please nobody drink diet pop (or cola for those of you who dont call it "pop"---im from ohio :) )

Look up my thread on aspartame in the archives..plus the carbonation of cola hinders anaerobic exercise anyways.
 
Kak-

I'm going to try that shit after my next bulking cycle, can't wait for to blow up!!! I'm so fucking sick of chicken, it's not funny anymore.


Fina+test=huge guns
 
Re: Re: bump

Kakdiesel said:


well i think the exact numbers i used in my example would work for anybody from 170-200 pounds..i'm at 190 and around 6% bf..

6% bf and 6 cheeseburgers a day, I HATE YOU! J/K LOL:)
 
well i'm glad i could post something useful for a change LOL

glad you all like it...i figured it was something different i created that could apply to a lot of guys on the board..
 
Jimsbbc said:
Kak-

I'm going to try that shit after my next bulking cycle, can't wait for to blow up!!! I'm so fucking sick of chicken, it's not funny anymore.


Fina+test=huge guns

yeah me too..i got tired of the tuna/chicken breast thing and worked out the numbers where I could actually ENJOY my dieting meals and always be full and never crave "junkfood" since I have that "cheeseburger" taste in my mouth all day.

I'm still trying to come up with some sort of diet pizza thats low in carb but I dont think its that possible because there's a lot of carbs in pizza sauce...

Anyways, trust me, after 3-4 weeks of eating burgers 3 times a day (6 burgers total for me) I am so ready to just have some plain oatmeal and tuna...thats the beauty of this diet..its reverse psychology..you make yourself crave the food you would normally not crave because you're so sick of the cheeseburgers...

:fro:
 
Kakdiesel said:



bake a small sized potato, cut it into thick strips, fry it on a frying pan using some kind of non-fat cooking spray and eat with diet ketchup.

the potato has 50 grams of carbs and around 200 calories..

i'm assuming you're not tryin to be a smart ass:rolleyes:


lol....No I was being serious... Burgers and fries are my biggest weakness too. But it's impossible for me to eat one and not the other. It's like eating cookies without any milk. :D
 
Charles Ray said:



lol....No I was being serious... Burgers and fries are my biggest weakness too. But it's impossible for me to eat one and not the other. It's like eating cookies without any milk. :D

my suggestion for that would be then to only eat half the baked potato (only 25 grams of carbs for 100 calories) at a time for the fries..

too many carbs and you're defeating the purpose of trying to "diet down".
 
i like the diet.......i use something like it right now as well.........too cold to be outside on the grill.....so i've been using PAM in a pan on the stove..........hey .a guy can only take so much chicken, turkey and tuna....and steak is really expensive...the burgers have been working for me
 
Not to knock the diet, but it's essentially what many have already been preaching. Don't do some damn cookie cutter chicken and broccoli diet. Who cares if you get xxx amount of fat loss per week if it's so strict that you feel miserable and end up cheating. I'd rather follow a diet that I can halfway enjoy and still get results. The cheesburger idea is just one way of achieving this. Personally I'd rather take 14 weeks to lose 10 pounds of fat and enjoy those weeks than take 12 weeks to lose 10 pounds of fat but dread every second of that time. The difference in weight loss using different forms of carbs is not as night and day as many thing.

Personally I gave up on the chicken + veggie + low insulin carb meals and started coming up with better recipes. Once in awhile I will have a simple meal like this because it's easy to prepare but most of the time I try something different. Some days I have chicken fried brown rice for example. Take some brown or whole grain rice, boil it, throw in some grilled chicken/scrambled eggs or egg beaters/green onions. Fry it in a pan with some pam and toss in a tad of low sodium soy sauce and enjoy. It's not as tasty as "real" fried rice, but when dieting it takes pretty damn good and makes you feel like you are cheating. Would work this streak or shrimp as well.

Also I have pita chip nachos. Take a whole wheat pita, rip it into 2 halves then use cooking scissors to cut into large triangles. Throw it into the broiler or toaster oven till they get crisp. Top with some whole navy or pinto beans(smash if you want a refried consistancy), grilled chicken or steak, nonfat cheese and a scoop of nonfat sour cream and some salsa. Mmmm!

You can also make healthy chili, pasta, pancakes and other dishes with a little creativity. Just think outside the box a little bit. The most important part of a diet is the calories, get them in order and you'll find that the exact type of carbs aren't as important as you think. I've tried the extreme low carb diets without any kind of starch. I was miserable, always hungry and noticed no increase in rate of fat loss. Went back to the eating this way and my fat loss stayed the same but I personally was much happier.

My usuall diet consists of 250-300g protein, <150g carbs and around 80g of fat per day. Just tailor your recipes to meet your macronutrient breakdown and go for it. My chicken fried rice tends to have more chicken than rice, but hey I don't mind.

I've had the cheeseburger type meals as well, though I'm not that big on hamburger meat. I'm a steak man and that fills my red meat needs. When I ate cheeseburgers I used whole wheat hamburger buns that I found at a local health store instead of regular wheat bread and they were pretty damn good.
 
I am a college student and live in the dorms so I cannot cook hamburgers. Would the McDonald's Double Cheeseburger for $.99 be a Proper Substitute for a meal?
 
Kakdiesel said:
i'm a working chiropractic student..

are you attending Life Chiro School? if so what made you choose that school?

btw - good dieting idea, i may have to give it a try.
 
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Um.. did you even read the original post? The person advocates using extra lean ground beef, whole wheat bread and fat free cheese. Last I checked McDonald's uses the lowest quality hamburger meat they can find, crappy white buns and regular full fat cheese. You do the math.
 
This is a great idea....a couple of questions..I hate wheat bread can i use sourdough? Also can I use premium ground turkey meat? Its lower in fat, same amount of protein, and lower in price. What do u think?
 
I guess it wouldnt be a bad idea to alternate meats either just for variety. Using 93% lean ground turkey would not throw off the calorie equations at all because it is pretty much equal to beef. The good part is ground turkey is on sale all the time here where im from(USA). Whatever is cheapest I buy. Ususally if the beef is on sale I will go with that but I do not hesitate to buy the turkey if cheap. It also digests better and is excellent for hamburgers
 
I am not trying to be an asshole but I think it is a shitty idea. I hate dieting as much as anybody and the main reason is that I cant eat whatever I want. For me, having to eat 6 cheezeburgers a day for 4 weeks would be just as bad or worse than a regular diet. Thats just my opinion but if it works for you thats great.

Im still looking for the magic pill that will let me eat what I want and still drop my bodyfat %
 
DocJ said:


are you attending Life Chiro School? if so what made you choose that school?

btw - good dieting idea, i may have to give it a try.

it was either Palmer or Life and I hated Iowa when I visited..and I really dig Atlanta :)

are you a chiro?

anyways, this is to that guy who said he wasnt tryin to be "an asshole" but it was a "shitty idea"

yeah whatever puny fuckstick...thats like me saying "i'm not trying to be an asshole but your mom is a fucking stank ass crack whore"

The whole point of the diet is using reverse psychology...making you sick of the taste of "junk food" so that you wont crave it as much or at all (and for me, fast food is my junk food) while still shedding fat and actually dieting fuck wad:mad:
 
Kak

You are the man. This is definately going to be my next diet when I am cutting. Tuna gets old really fast. There is only so much stuff you can put into tuna or put tuna in to make it taste better.

I hear you with the Atlanta thing. I currently live pretty close to Lake Lanier!

Karma for you! :)
 
ViperHMS said:
Kak

You are the man. This is definately going to be my next diet when I am cutting. Tuna gets old really fast. There is only so much stuff you can put into tuna or put tuna in to make it taste better.

I hear you with the Atlanta thing. I currently live pretty close to Lake Lanier!

Karma for you! :)

thanks bro :)
 
Kakdiesel said:


it was either Palmer or Life and I hated Iowa when I visited..and I really dig Atlanta :)

are you a chiro?


yes....never considered Northwestern huh? it is a bit cold up there in MN but it's the #1 ranked school in the world so i put up with the frozen tundra.
 
DocJ said:


yes....never considered Northwestern huh? it is a bit cold up there in MN but it's the #1 ranked school in the world so i put up with the frozen tundra.

Nice..nice to see a fellow chiro advocate on the board..where do you practice?

Hit me up a pm and we'll talk..take care Doc.
 
chiken breasts on bagels with letuce tomato and mustard
50 grams of protein 55 grams of carbs 6gs of fat 10 gs of sugar
ill have those 3 times a day with 4 myoplex made like puding
it is so symple and tasty
if i wana higher cal count ill just add plain cooked oat meal to the myoplex
 
i dont want people to get the wrong impression..there is nothig magical about the cheeseburgers or whatever..it all lies in the macronutrient RATIO's for the DAY..you can use the turkey, bagel, chicken, etc instead but the point of the diet is because i'm cutting, it will make me NOT crave junk food (and my junk food being fast food like burgers)
 
I wanna try the cheeseburger diet.. do you think i can substitute with macdonalds cheeseburgers? I really don't have alot of time to be cooking myself hamburger patties everyday!
 
um no..the whole point is to have moderate fat, moderate carbs, and high protein in this diet..

And the whole point of this diet is to avoid fast food cravings! i hope your being sarcastic...

read above, i said 4% lean ground beef bro..dont think McDonald's serves those.
 
OK, I'm starting to hate cheeseburgers already and haven't even started the diet. Eating only cheeseburgers all day for weeks at a time would drive me nuts!!! It's cool that you let people know that it's ok to eat cheeseburgers, but you are overdoing it man. I believe in a HUGE variety of foods. I can't stand eating the same thing over and over.
 
Im sure this diet works because of the ratios. but I wouldnt use it for contest prep because of the bread and Ketchup (sugar) and not enough fiber and quality complex carbs for me. But for someone just trying to get leaner. whatever works!
 
el cubano said:
OK, I'm starting to hate cheeseburgers already and haven't even started the diet. Eating only cheeseburgers all day for weeks at a time would drive me nuts!!! It's cool that you let people know that it's ok to eat cheeseburgers, but you are overdoing it man. I believe in a HUGE variety of foods. I can't stand eating the same thing over and over.

Cubano and everybody else.....

The whole point IS to be sick of cheeseburgers! See, like I've stated before, and i'll say it again, my junkfood cravings are always for Wendy's burgers (they have the best IMO LOL)..well what happens to everybody like me who go on a strict tuna, oatmeal, veggie, and lean meat diet? You crave that taste of junk food so bad that sometimes you cant stand it and cheat and bail on the whole diet together..

By satisfying your taste or cravings for cheesebrugers at first, while still cuttin calories with the proper macronutrient ratios, your diet will run smoothe..then after a while, you trick your mind into being so sick of the taste of cheeseburgers that you're gonna crave the "healthy" taste of lean chicken and veggies and oatmeal! Obviously im not sayin to stay on this diet for the whole dieting phase (cutting cycle)...just about 4-6 weeks did it for me to the point at week 6 I could NOT wait to get my hands on some chicken breast and oatmeal!

Hope this clarifies things...
 
Most of us don't like cutting. There's a few who likes to punish themselfs and love cutting for months, but they are few. Anyway, I'm one of those that hate cutting. I've also tried this "burger diet". But I used a big chicken breast that put in the mixer and then made a nice burger of. I did this with lots of meats. I bought cheap meat and removed the visable fat, then put in the mixer, then I made a burger of it. I do not like "white" high GI bread so I toasted some flax seed brown bread instead and used.
 
Kakdiesel said:


Cubano and everybody else.....

The whole point IS to be sick of cheeseburgers!

I dont think craving is that specific. Right now if i think of oreos and milk im craving, Friendlys brownie and ice cream,, crave, Half a pie of pizza.. im craving. shit at this point ice cream on pizza im craving. I hear what ur saying and its good info. and also if u lower ur carbs just alittle more maybe just have burgers with cheese no bread and some eggs on the side you would go into Keto which u said ur diet keeps you out of ketosis, what is so bad about that. its a serious question im not being a wise ass cause i am currently on a CKD and just curious. and karma for you brother.
 
I love cheeseburgers. I am on a CKD right now and am eating 4-8 cheeseburgers a day(no bread).

But I totally agree with some of you guys, when I am not doing a CKD I cut eating satisfying foods. burgers, low fat cheeses, steaks, oatmeal and raisins, bread(whole grain) etc.

I remember I used to live on grilled chickens with rice... those days are long gone.
 
Your theory on eating cheeseburgers to stop craving cheeseburgers is interesting, but have to be tested, since your lean, whole wheated, no fat cheeseburger is not really junk food, it is just a healthy alternative .You may spend all this time eating the lean cheeseburger and still crave tha greasy, lard fried Mac Donald´s one...
I once tried this with pizza: Covered a Pita bread with tomato sauce ( home made, just the tomatoes), non fat cheese or ricota, oregano( sp) and after a while I was dying for a Peperonni from Pizza Hut.
Craving is very complicated and involves both emotional and chemical/neuroendocrinal aspects.
But that is just my opinion;
Your idea is original and worthy, thanks...
 
Kakdiesel said:


no they dont have to be all equal in calories or macronutrient ratios..if anything you dont want that cuz it keeps your body "guessing" which is a good thing..you never want your body to "get use" to anything while your trianing or dieting..

So you're saying that your body won't become acclimated to 3 cheeseburgers and 3 protein shakes every single day for 3-4 weeks?

I understand that you're preaching simplicity and satiation here, but I really don't think that a diet like this is particularly healthy. People cheat because they don't have variety. A lack of variety in one's diet == feelings of deprivation.


ALSO, if you want to make really healthy fries, try this: cut up a sweet potato into strips, dip them into egg whites, place them on a piece of foil that has been lightly covered with non-stick spray and bake for 30 mins at 400 degrees. Salt and pepper and you've got something that would almost pass for real fries.
 
you guys are missing the point and macro's.. you guys need to have more nutritional experience before you stroke your keyboards
 
No, I don't think we are georgie24...we just aren't pandering to kakdiesel like you are.

I don't think it's that good of an idea, no offense intended to kakdiesel, because there is absolutely no variety in the diet and I don't think that is healthy. Period.
 
Karma to you KAK!!

I'm just dieting and this sounds like refreshing. I'm heading for the supermarket!
 
has anyone ever used a diet like this to cut up for a show? if I can get my puny chest to catch up I want to do a under 21 show but havent figured out what diet I want to use yet
 
heregothere said:
No, I don't think we are georgie24...we just aren't pandering to kakdiesel like you are.

I don't think it's that good of an idea, no offense intended to kakdiesel, because there is absolutely no variety in the diet and I don't think that is healthy. Period.

Theres variety, meat, veggies, bread.. what else do you want. It's healthy and you know it.
 
ChrisOh said:


Theres variety, meat, veggies, bread.. what else do you want. It's healthy and you know it.



Dude, what are you smoking?

Variety - 2 meals for 28 days is not variety. I know you might have a little problem with this, so I've been kind enough to provide a link for you - http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=variety.

Healthy - It is relatively healthy (especially compared to what most of the population is eating) as long as you're taking a multi vitamin. But again, VARIETY is the only thing that will cover all of your nutritional needs.

Look, I can respect what kakdiesel is saying in terms of emotional and psychological satisfaction, but I don't think eating the exact same thing DAY after DAY after DAY is good for you.
 
heregothere said:




Dude, what are you smoking?

Variety - 2 meals for 28 days is not variety. I know you might have a little problem with this, so I've been kind enough to provide a link for you - http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=variety.

Healthy - It is relatively healthy (especially compared to what most of the population is eating) as long as you're taking a multi vitamin. But again, VARIETY is the only thing that will cover all of your nutritional needs.

Look, I can respect what kakdiesel is saying in terms of emotional and psychological satisfaction, but I don't think eating the exact same thing DAY after DAY after DAY is good for you.

Sure its healthy, it's also variety because it includes meat, veggies, and bread... AND a shake.
 
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