For those not happy with their gains on AAS

[mrdeeznuts]

good luck slat

my natural at 24 was 439 ng/dl in range of 241-827 and i wasn't even happy with that because i'm not in the upper range

i can only imagine how you feel, hope everything works out for you

 

[pursuit]

If she says HRT I would probably wind up using AAS again. So I hope there are some other options at this point.
I guess I will find out soon enough.
BTW. I just read in MD there is a product out there that increased you ng/dl by almost 300 without supressing your natural production. I plan on asking her about it. I can't remember the name at this point.

You may be surprised but that product could be Nolvadex. A well documented study found that men with normal levels experienced a 42% rise in their testosterone levels in 10 days at 20mg, and a 82% rise in 6 weeks.

I'd say those figures may be higher for someone who is shut down. You could easily get your levels up to 600 or more, may drop off bit if and when you stop taking the Nolva.

Either way, you owe it to yourself to do a super recovery of 2 or 3 weeks of HCG followed by 8 weeks of Nolvadex.

IMO, if you can get it to settle above 500ng/dl, then that is a fair enough natural level.

 

[racoon_city]

how much will it take for you guy's to realize tren isnt light by any means?? tren e for that matter is brutal and HTPA crusher

 

[krishna]

Ya Slat1 you've been off for awhile now. That's awesome that you're keeping all your size. Sucks about the libido though. Maybe try some proviron or stinging nettle root extract to free up some of that test. I'm sure you know what you're doing though, you don't need my advice.

 

[smoke67]

I'm 38 and started hrt last week. GOOD LUCK whatever you decide!

 

[Neo22]

Imagine what mine are like...
My bloodwork came back and my test levels have dropped again. Now to a pathetic 302 ng/dl on a reference range of 250 - 1100 ng/dl.
My bioavailable test is below the reference range too.
It makes a guy think about jumping on something...

Don't feel super bad. I'm 24 and test level is 213

 

[letsrun4it]

try 100mg/day proviron

 

[djsf]

Slat,
Sorry to hear that. I know exactly what you're going through, I have just been through thta myself. Losing your testosterone is almost like losing your manhood. It sucks!

I strongly suggest doing another PCT, that was a huge winner for me. It's all documented in this thread
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=456018

Best of luck to you bro, keep us posted!

 

[thelion2005]

Imagine what mine are like...
My bloodwork came back and my test levels have dropped again. Now to a pathetic 302 ng/dl on a reference range of 250 - 1100 ng/dl.
My bioavailable test is below the reference range too.
It makes a guy think about jumping on something...

Put some gray into your hair and come over to the Longevity Forum.
We'll introduce you to the joys of HRT.

Give this a read. Maybe it will help.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471159

 

[black sheep]

how much will it take for you guy's to realize tren isnt light by any means?? tren e for that matter is brutal and HTPA crusher

REad my post above - I came off of a Test/T-Bol/Tren/EQ cycle. I was over 900 2 weeks after PCT.

If you know how to come off tren, and you run a solid PCT you have as good of chance of recovery than any compound.