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hey bros, can u guys tell me if this is a good first cycle i was a bit concerned with the PCT - post cycle therapy - , here it is


Weeks (1-12) testosterone enanthate - 250 mgs 2X EW
Weeks (8-12) HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 I.U. EW
Weeks (12-14) Nothing
Weeks (14-17) Clomid 50 mgs ED (First 3 days taper down 300 mgs, 200 mgs, 100 mgs

im 24 yrs old 6'3 235 lbs 10 % bf been training seriously for 6 yrs
goal to gain mass
 
wrestlemania100 said:
hey bros, can u guys tell me if this is a good first cycle i was a bit concerned with the PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , here it is


Weeks (1-12) testosterone enanthate - 250 mgs 2X EW
Weeks (8-12) HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 I.U. EW
Weeks (12-14) Nothing
Weeks (14-17) Clomid 50 mgs ED (First 3 days taper down 300 mgs, 200 mgs, 100 mgs

im 24 yrs old 6'3 235 lbs 10 % bf been training seriously for 6 yrs
goal to gain mass
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for a first cycle I would stick with 250mgs of testosterone enanthate a week.if you eat and train right you will be amazed at how much you can grow from that dose.with that light of a dose it would be rare to get any nut shrinkage and you could probably save the hcg for post cycle therapy entirely.

I would NEVER recommend ANYONE take that much fucking clomid,because if you do so you will be seeing tracers from hell and be one moody bitch.hcg started immediately after your last test injection @500uis for 10 days straight is what I would do.

10.5 days after your last test injection start clomid @50mgs a night ran for 3 or 4 weeks.

best of luck to you bro:)
 
For pct I like at least 500iu for about 10 days of HCG with Nolvadex

And Clomid I simply take at 50mg a day for 25 – 30 days, however, never have not been brought back to normal with HCG alone.


Since you only get one first cycle, I would recommend 1000mg Test E per week weeks 1-12

Anti E
PCT
 
solidspine said:
For PCT - post cycle therapy - I like at least 500iu for about 10 days of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with Nolvadex

And Clomid I simply take at 50mg a day for 25 – 30 days, however, never have not been brought back to normal with HCG alone.


Since you only get one first cycle, I would recommend 1000mg testosterone enanthate per week weeks 1-12

Anti E
PCT
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This is absurd advice.
 
solidspine said:
For PCT - post cycle therapy - I like at least 500iu for about 10 days of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with Nolvadex

And Clomid I simply take at 50mg a day for 25 – 30 days, however, never have not been brought back to normal with HCG alone.


Since you only get one first cycle, I would recommend 1000mg testosterone enanthate per week weeks 1-12

Anti E
PCT
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this shit is getting fucking old fast I have seen you post this bullshit way to much and I have also seen what you post of af about this site...
 
wrestlemania100 said:
hey bros, can u guys tell me if this is a good first cycle i was a bit concerned with the PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , here it is


Weeks (1-12) testosterone enanthate - 250 mgs 2X EW
Weeks (8-12) HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 I.U. EW
Weeks (12-14) Nothing
Weeks (14-17) Clomid 50 mgs ED (First 3 days taper down 300 mgs, 200 mgs, 100 mgs

im 24 yrs old 6'3 235 lbs 10 % bf been training seriously for 6 yrs
goal to gain mass
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your going to kill yourself with that much clomid bro...the hole cycle is fine except the clomid bro just use 50mg ed also look into dermacrin sustain to add to your pct its reel good shit...http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_sust_intro.cfm
 
hyp1 said:
for a first cycle I would stick with 250mgs of testosterone enanthate a week.if you eat and train right you will be amazed at how much you can grow from that dose.with that light of a dose it would be rare to get any nut shrinkage and you could probably save the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - for post cycle therapy entirely.

I would NEVER recommend ANYONE take that much fucking clomid,because if you do so you will be seeing tracers from hell and be one moody bitch.HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - started immediately after your last test injection @500uis for 10 days straight is what I would do.

10.5 days after your last test injection start clomid @50mgs a night ran for 3 or 4 weeks.

best of luck to you bro:)
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Great advice. I like to run hcg 250 twice aweek throught the cycle though.

I can't believe how many "experts" are recommending 1,000mg test for n00bs.
 
solidspine said:
For PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - I like at least 500iu for about 10 days of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - with Nolvadex

And Clomid I simply take at 50mg a day for 25 – 30 days, however, never have not been brought back to normal with HCG alone.


Since you only get one first cycle, I would recommend 1000mg testosterone enanthate per week weeks 1-12

Anti E
PCT
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Y would anyone recommend 1000mg a week for a first cycle?? Thats just crazy advice.This is serous shit bro !!!!!
 
all the whey said:
Great advice. I like to run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250 twice aweek throught the cycle though.

I can't believe how many "experts" are recommending 1,000mg test for n00bs.
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ya experts of fucking people over and giving out shit bag advice.
 
solidspine said:
Since you only get one first cycle, I would recommend 1000mg testosterone enanthate per week weeks 1-12
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What are you out of your fucking mind?
 
Guy, there have been many people who have done 1g/week as a first cycle and have done very well with it. I know its easy to say thats too much, but its what I wish I would have done, now that I know better.
 
wrestlemania100 said:
hey bros, can u guys tell me if this is a good first cycle i was a bit concerned with the PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , here it is


Weeks (1-12) testosterone enanthate - 250 mgs 2X EW
Weeks (8-12) HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 I.U. EW
Weeks (12-14) Nothing
Weeks (14-17) Clomid 50 mgs ED (First 3 days taper down 300 mgs, 200 mgs, 100 mgs

im 24 yrs old 6'3 235 lbs 10 % bf been training seriously for 6 yrs
goal to gain mass
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for PCT i WOULD USE CLOMID and NOLVA for 3 weeks.
 
wrestlemania100 said:
hey bros, can u guys tell me if this is a good first cycle i was a bit concerned with the PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , here it is


Weeks (1-12) testosterone enanthate - 250 mgs 2X EW
Weeks (8-12) HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 I.U. EW
Weeks (12-14) Nothing
Weeks (14-17) Clomid 50 mgs ED (First 3 days taper down 300 mgs, 200 mgs, 100 mgs

im 24 yrs old 6'3 235 lbs 10 % bf been training seriously for 6 yrs
goal to gain mass
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First time?

You want to measure side reactions along with body systems response. And not get in too deep.

Come down to 150mg Thurs am and Sun pm.
Trade the hcg for HGH, 1 iu eod

No pct. See how much muscle you really gained and how much size gets peed out.

With this experience over 12 weeks, you'll be ready for the next cycle and a real stack.
 
JuicePimp said:
Guy, there have been many people who have done 1g/week as a first cycle and have done very well with it. I know its easy to say thats too much, but its what I wish I would have done, now that I know better.
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Ok, and where do you go from there for successive cycles? 2g/wk? 3g??

If one can make excellent gains with a "moderate" dosage of 250-500 mg/wk, why in hell would you take 1g/wk??
 
needtogetaas said:
ya experts of fucking people over and giving out shit bag advice.
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What exactly are your credentials Needto?

I'm curious because you never debunk anything scientifically.

If you're going to attack his point claiming it's bad advice, you better back yourself up.
 
njmuscleguy said:
Ok, and where do you go from there for successive cycles? 2g/wk? 3g??

If one can make excellent gains with a "moderate" dosage of 250-500 mg/wk, why in hell would you take 1g/wk??
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There is no difference in side effects when comparing 600mgs test/week to 300mgs test/week.

None whatsoever.
 
ProtienFiend said:
1g is quite high.... 250mg or so for 10 weeks.... and EAT A LOT! :o
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But you have the same side effects at 600 as you do at 300.

So why not run 600 and gain a lot more mass?
 
Oh my,
my post was and SS's posts were deleted, the level of immaturity on behalf of the leadership of this forum is amazing, what happened to having an intelligent debate backed with experience and research rather then simply resorting to the level of deleting your opposers arguement. I think i've been here long enough to deserve a little more respect then that, but then again, it only makes sense to not expect respect from the unrespectable
 
wrestlemania100 said:
hey bros, can u guys tell me if this is a good first cycle i was a bit concerned with the PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - , here it is


Weeks (1-12) testosterone enanthate - 250 mgs 2X EW
Weeks (8-12) HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500 I.U. EW
Weeks (12-14) Nothing
Weeks (14-17) Clomid 50 mgs ED (First 3 days taper down 300 mgs, 200 mgs, 100 mgs

im 24 yrs old 6'3 235 lbs 10 % bf been training seriously for 6 yrs
goal to gain mass
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At 6'3 235 10% your already a big bro.Start at 250mg,see what you can do with that. recover and start planning your second.
 
mickeyb69 said:
Are you attesting from personal experience? I doubt it.
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I've run 12 cycles so far. And I'm 30

I have used 1g test/week, 500mgs test/week, and 250mgs test/week.

Just because my post count is low does not mean I am a newbie to gear use.
 
J. Adams said:
What exactly are your credentials Needto?

I'm curious because you never debunk anything scientifically.

If you're going to attack his point claiming it's bad advice, you better back yourself up.
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ooooooooooooo fucking ya good you asked.lol what you you like me to debunk
.....
 
J. Adams said:
What exactly are your credentials Needto?

I'm curious because you never debunk anything scientifically.

If you're going to attack his point claiming it's bad advice, you better back yourself up.
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so you are saying a 1000mg cycle is good for a new person to aas.lets juts get this ??? out there first..lmfao if you are but please let us all know.
 
JohnnyWest said:
Oh my,
my post was and SS's posts were deleted, the level of immaturity on behalf of the leadership of this forum is amazing, what happened to having an intelligent debate backed with experience and research rather then simply resorting to the level of deleting your opposers arguement. I think i've been here long enough to deserve a little more respect then that, but then again, it only makes sense to not expect respect from the unrespectable
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I am all for intelligent debate.

But, recommending 1,000mg test for first, or second cycle is not intelligent. So, why debate it?
 
all the whey said:
I am all for intelligent debate.

But, recommending 1,000mg test for first, or second cycle is not intelligent. So, why debate it?
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yes I dont know why we are even taking about this...lets here it some one please post up why some one should take 1000mg for there first cycle.lmfao ya thats what I thought..... :)
 
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J. Adams said:
I've run 12 cycles so far. And I'm 30

I have used 1g test/week, 500mgs test/week, and 250mgs test/week.
Just because my post count is low does not mean I am a newbie to gear use.
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You probably used these amounts in your 1st 2nd and 3rd cycles respectfully, thinking this was how you do drop sets. Still, you haven't told me how you came to the conclusion that 600 mg will yield the same sides as 300. I am guessing you think 1000 mg will give the same sides as 500 mg also.
 
I've done a couple of 2 year cycles, with a couple of 8 weekers sprinkled in and i have never went over a 1000mg combinded.
 
J. Adams said:
There is no difference in side effects when comparing 600mgs test/week to 300mgs test/week.

None whatsoever.
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This statement tells me you don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe you don't feel it or notice it, but there's a difference. It's like saying there's no difference bewteen being exposed to X rays for one minute or one second because you can't feel the difference or notice it right away.
 
nelson need quick advice!!! what do i do about tennis elbow i have it on both arms now plz help

the tendons on like side of elbow are swollen as shit

i have been icing it a lot for the last few days took a few advil here and there im on heavy aas so my recovery should be a little kicked up

ice/heat combo seems to help
 
all the whey said:
I am all for intelligent debate.

But, recommending 1,000mg test for first, or second cycle is not intelligent. So, why debate it?
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Some people have many reasons why they think it is intelligent for a high dose cycle, some have their reasons as to why they think it isn't, so the idea is to debate eachothers reasons and come to a conclusion. i'm just annoyed that posts have been deleted on this thread, just throwing disagreements under the rug rather then facing them
 
needtogetaas said:
so you are saying a 1000mg cycle is good for a new person to anabolic androgenic steroids.lets juts get this ??? out there first..lmfao if you are but please let us all know.
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So basically, you really have no idea.

The #1 reason why people have problems with 1000mgs test/week is because the eat like crap. Eating like crap well give you just about all the sides one gets from test.

And, a person should only be using AAS once they have had a good 5 years experience lifting and have their diet dialed in. It's only in this case that a person could run 1000mgs test/week. People with little lifting experience and a bad diet have no business using AAS.
 
I started using when I was 140 pounds....first cycle was 2g sust/week. I ballooned to 180 lbs like you big bros.
 
needtogetaas said:
ooooooooooooo fucking ya good you asked.lol what you you like me to debunk
.....
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Spelling it out, he wants you to try to debunk, from your perspective, why 1g test for a first cycle is a bad idea, from scientific research and/or personal experience. Can you do that?

There have been quite a few threads back in the day as to why 1g test is a good idea, i'll hit on the main points and if anybody wants to discuss it i'll elaborate more.

#1 your first cycle is the best (anecdotal theory of having virgin AR receptors), so why not make the most of it?

#2 Generally speaking, most people, including myself and many i've talked to/read about, experience no difference in side effects from 500mg to 1g, but alot more muscle gain

#3 every cycle does not need to be a consecutively higher dose

There is a huge degree of variables to consider before recommending 500mg or 1g for a fisrt cycle; i would say as a guess the magority of new guys around here are most definitely not ready for a 1g cycle. If you have a good deal of muscle maturity and mass (ie nearing your genetic limit), been training for many years and have your diet dialed in, then it is a great idea because of the above points. But, if you have only been traing for a year or two and are know where near your genetic limit then you will never hold on to the magority of gains, so the extra gear is a waste. Again, speaking from personal experience. I know i'm missing stuff, i'll think of it and post up later.
 
I would like to know Needto's credentials as well...If he is going to get on here and give advice and trash others advice, we have a right to know where he gets his info from. I would bet that all of his knowledge comes from reading misinformation on these boards. Needto, are you a physician or Phd scientist?
As far as the recommendation to start with 1g test weekly...it is the mantra of boards like these to only start with test 500mg weekly. There is no evidence showing one is better than the other. And, just because you do a 1g/wk cycle doesnt mean that you cannot grow on less in subsequent cycles. 99.9% of people on here that do a 500mg/wk cycle at first end up stacking something with the test the next cycle...which basically equals 1g test or more. Let the man read the different schools of thought and make his own decision about what is appropriate for him...and not have to read all of the shit talking and whining that EF has begun to foster. JMO of course.
 
crfpilot14 said:
I would like to know Needto's credentials as well...If he is going to get on here and give advice and trash others advice, we have a right to know where he gets his info from. I would bet that all of his knowledge comes from reading misinformation on these boards. Needto, are you a physician or Phd scientist?
As far as the recommendation to start with 1g test weekly...it is the mantra of boards like these to only start with test 500mg weekly. There is no evidence showing one is better than the other. And, just because you do a 1g/wk cycle doesnt mean that you cannot grow on less in subsequent cycles. 99.9% of people on here that do a 500mg/wk cycle at first end up stacking something with the test the next cycle...which basically equals 1g test or more. Let the man read the different schools of thought and make his own decision about what is appropriate for him...and not have to read all of the shit talking and whining that EF has begun to foster. JMO of course.
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I'm your fucking daddy bro. :p lmao
 
JohnnyWest said:
Spelling it out, he wants you to try to debunk, from your perspective, why 1g test for a first cycle is a bad idea, from scientific research and/or personal experience. Can you do that?

There have been quite a few threads back in the day as to why 1g test is a good idea, i'll hit on the main points and if anybody wants to discuss it i'll elaborate more.

#1 your first cycle is the best (anecdotal theory of having virgin AR receptors), so why not make the most of it?

#2 Generally speaking, most people, including myself and many i've talked to/read about, experience no difference in side effects from 500mg to 1g, but alot more muscle gain

#3 every cycle does not need to be a consecutively higher dose

There is a huge degree of variables to consider before recommending 500mg or 1g for a fisrt cycle; i would say as a guess the magority of new guys around here are most definitely not ready for a 1g cycle. If you have a good deal of muscle maturity and mass (ie nearing your genetic limit), been training for many years and have your diet dialed in, then it is a great idea because of the above points. But, if you have only been traing for a year or two and are know where near your genetic limit then you will never hold on to the magority of gains, so the extra gear is a waste. Again, speaking from personal experience. I know i'm missing stuff, i'll think of it and post up later.
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thats like a perfect cut and past from every thing ulter was telling you when you asked him on the af board...lmao
 
JohnnyWest said:
Spelling it out, he wants you to try to debunk, from your perspective, why 1g test for a first cycle is a bad idea, from scientific research and/or personal experience. Can you do that?

There have been quite a few threads back in the day as to why 1g test is a good idea, i'll hit on the main points and if anybody wants to discuss it i'll elaborate more.

#1 your first cycle is the best (anecdotal theory of having virgin AR receptors), so why not make the most of it?

#2 Generally speaking, most people, including myself and many i've talked to/read about, experience no difference in side effects from 500mg to 1g, but alot more muscle gain

#3 every cycle does not need to be a consecutively higher dose

There is a huge degree of variables to consider before recommending 500mg or 1g for a fisrt cycle; i would say as a guess the magority of new guys around here are most definitely not ready for a 1g cycle. If you have a good deal of muscle maturity and mass (ie nearing your genetic limit), been training for many years and have your diet dialed in, then it is a great idea because of the above points. But, if you have only been traing for a year or two and are know where near your genetic limit then you will never hold on to the magority of gains, so the extra gear is a waste. Again, speaking from personal experience. I know i'm missing stuff, i'll think of it and post up later.
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ok so you take a new guy to aas who has never used juice ever in his life..."this is a big step not something to take lightly" he has no clue how his body is going to react to aas but we are just going to pump 1000mg into him right of the start.

some people yes feel no deference in sides from 500-1000mg but yes a lot of people do.you want to know why ulter is pimping out 1000mg cycles to you and the rest of the newbs...."MORE SIDES FOR NEWBS =MORE MONEY IN HIS POCKET SO HE CAN SELL YOU SHIT FOR YOUR SIDES.LOL"

I am sorry if I think doing it the safe way stepping into the game one step at a time learning from your body and how it reacts to deferent compounds and deferent doses.learning what to use for sides to them doses or compounds before you jump right in blasting your self with 1000mg is the right thing to do..I am sooooo sorry if I care and I want people to be safe.I am sorry I am not selling things like aifm and I cant make shit loads of money telling you to take 1000mg cycles please kill me I am not a scum bag....




next fucking ??? please.
 
holy ghost said:
nelson need quick advice!!! what do i do about tennis elbow i have it on both arms now plz help

the tendons on like side of elbow are swollen as shit

i have been icing it a lot for the last few days took a few advil here and there im on heavy anabolic androgenic steroids so my recovery should be a little kicked up

ice/heat combo seems to help
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did this just start to happen or has it bin a on going problem for you????
 
needtogetaas said:
did this just start to happen or has it bin a on going problem for you????
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ok for last few months
preacher curls KILL
reverse grip kills
forearm workouts kill

i tbar rep 10 plates without straps and DL a fuckload im wondering if this is a culprit but i have pains and nerve sensitivity on outside of flexed elbow any ideas ???
 
holy ghost said:
ok for last few months
preacher curls KILL
reverse grip kills
forearm workouts kill

i tbar rep 10 plates without straps and DL a fuckload im wondering if this is a culprit but i have pains and nerve sensitivity on outside of flexed elbow any ideas ???
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well the first thing I would think is you are going up in weights and lifting a lot.the added might have made you change your form a bit so take a good look at your form and make sure you are doing every thing right.swinging jerking to much things like that...also keep in mind your muscles are growing faster then your bones,joints,and tendons can keep up with...
 
yeah so what do you suggest? i can take a week off if i have to, im on heavy aas and great diet so i wont lose muscle


i was going to try a 3 day a week split
going extra light, perfect form

any ideas? fuck im just worried about it persisting

cause by friday i cant even workout my arms my forearms are so fucked

i ordered straps and gloves and chalk that should help about 15-25% im guessing
 
Maybe you should be asking your doctor about your injuries instead of someone on an internet message forum. If the recommendations that these EF mental giants give you do not work, shoot me a PM as I am a real physician. :rolleyes:
 
holy ghost said:
yeah so what do you suggest? i can take a week off if i have to, im on heavy anabolic androgenic steroids and great diet so i wont lose muscle


i was going to try a 3 day a week split
going extra light, perfect form

any ideas? fuck im just worried about it persisting

cause by friday i cant even workout my arms my forearms are so fucked

i ordered straps and gloves and chalk that should help about 15-25% im guessing
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well yes taking a bit off will help but also look at your form...also do you stretch
before you work out?and do you do rotations before you work out as well?
 
it wont let me shoot you a pm

needto is great help bro


but if you are willing to help id be muched obliged

why wont it let yhou have a PM option
 
holy ghost said:
yes i stretch before i work out, pwo...
and During to allow my muscle fascia to stretch you know my reasoning....

what you mean rotations, wrist rotations?

http://www.providence.org/healthlib...px?hwid=hw225372&serviceArea=generic#hw225510

i do these intermittently thorughout the day
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move your joints around in a circle motion.doing this will make the synovial membrane witch is the inner membrane of tissue that lines a joint secret synovial fluid which serves to lubricate the joint.synovial fluid reduces friction between the articular cartilage and other tissues in joints to lubricate and cushion them during movement


:) :) :)
 
needtogetaas said:
move your joints around in a circle motion.doing this will make the synovial membrane witch is the inner membrane of tissue that lines a joint secret synovial fluid which serves to lubricate the joint.synovial fluid reduces friction between the articular cartilage and other tissues in joints to lubricate and cushion them during movement


:) :) :)
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good info, i do em !

i got the damn arm iin a sling right now lol
 
holy ghost said:
good info, i do em !

i got the damn arm iin a sling right now lol
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well you are doing every thing you can do bro besides taking some time off and maybe taking a joint sup like the one we have at custom caps...it works but every joint sup takes a wile before you feel its effects....
 
yeah bro i took glucosamine for about a year in highschool before i noticed it

it aint my joints tho man its like the bone

called mom she thinks i got stress fractures from puttting on muscle too fast and lifting heavy weight

but bro i have great form im a advocate for it.

thx for help! FUCK THE PATRIOTS!
 
needtogetaas said:
ok so you take a new guy to anabolic androgenic steroids who has never used juice ever in his life..."this is a big step not something to take lightly" he has no clue how his body is going to react to anabolic androgenic steroids but we are just going to pump 1000mg into him right of the start.

some people yes feel no deference in sides from 500-1000mg but yes a lot of people do.you want to know why ulter is pimping out 1000mg cycles to you and the rest of the newbs...."MORE SIDES FOR NEWBS =MORE MONEY IN HIS POCKET SO HE CAN SELL YOU SHIT FOR YOUR SIDES.LOL"

I am sorry if I think doing it the safe way stepping into the game one step at a time learning from your body and how it reacts to deferent compounds and deferent doses.learning what to use for sides to them doses or compounds before you jump right in blasting your self with 1000mg is the right thing to do..I am sooooo sorry if I care and I want people to be safe.I am sorry I am not selling things like aifm and I cant make shit loads of money telling you to take 1000mg cycles please kill me I am not a scum bag....
next fucking ??? please.
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Actually it's not copy and paste, I wrote it specially for this thread. Everything I wrote is my own experience, if it so happens to agree with ulter then so be it, its not like I blindly follow people.

Well your first two paragraphs are so fricken ignorant i cant wrap head around whether or not you are trying to be stupid, or I really am that much smarter then you. Not for what you said regarding noobs, but how you understand (or lack thereof) what I said in my post. understand what I just said?

This is what I said:


"There is a huge degree of variables to consider before recommending 500mg or 1g for a fisrt cycle; i would say as a guess the magority of new guys around here are most definitely not ready for a 1g cycle. If you have a good deal of muscle maturity and mass (ie nearing your genetic limit), been training for many years and have your diet dialed in, then it is a great idea because of the above points. But, if you have only been traing for a year or two and are know where near your genetic limit then you will never hold on to the magority of gains, so the extra gear is a waste. Again, speaking from personal experience"

How did you extrapolate (need a dictionary?) how I said noobs should do 1g/w. READ THE POST

"Next fucking please?????" what are we, 12?


I see this is not going anywhere anyway. Logic and reason have no place on EF
 
JohnnyWest said:
Actually it's not copy and paste, I wrote it specially for this thread. Everything I wrote is my own experience, if it so happens to agree with ulter then so be it, its not like I blindly follow people.

Well your first two paragraphs are so fricken ignorant i cant wrap head around whether or not you are trying to be stupid, or I really am that much smarter then you. Not for what you said regarding noobs, but how you understand (or lack thereof) what I said in my post. understand what I just said?

This is what I said:


"There is a huge degree of variables to consider before recommending 500mg or 1g for a fisrt cycle; i would say as a guess the magority of new guys around here are most definitely not ready for a 1g cycle. If you have a good deal of muscle maturity and mass (ie nearing your genetic limit), been training for many years and have your diet dialed in, then it is a great idea because of the above points. But, if you have only been traing for a year or two and are know where near your genetic limit then you will never hold on to the magority of gains, so the extra gear is a waste. Again, speaking from personal experience"

How did you extrapolate (need a dictionary?) how I said noobs should do 1g/w. READ THE POST

"Next fucking please?????" what are we, 12?


I see this is not going anywhere anyway. Logic and reason have no place on EF
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and thats pretty much all we are talking about here...sp told some one he knows nothing about who is new to this site"and has don it many times"to go ahead and use a gram of test..he did not ask him any thing about himself just said up go ahead and use a gram.


I just thought you were in here trying to stick up for solid pine and well telling some one that is new and he knows nothing about to use a gram of test is what he did....I am sorry I just threw you in the same group as him...

I still feel even if you have bin training for years that its just safer to start out slower...but I can see your point....
 
needtogetaas said:
move your joints around in a circle motion.doing this will make the synovial membrane witch is the inner membrane of tissue that lines a joint secret synovial fluid which serves to lubricate the joint.synovial fluid reduces friction between the articular cartilage and other tissues in joints to lubricate and cushion them during movement


:) :) :)
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you know what's funny? in post 44 you said to JohnnyWest:

needtogetaas said:
thats like a perfect cut and past from every thing ulter was telling you when you asked him on the af board...lmao
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LMAO...but what you said about synovial fluid (check out what has been bold printed) is like a perfect cut and paste from wikipedia. Its the second half of the second sentance.... :) :) :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synovial_fluid
 
needtogetaas said:
move your joints around in a circle motion.doing this will make the synovial membrane witch is the inner membrane of tissue that lines a joint secret synovial fluid which serves to lubricate the joint.synovial fluid reduces friction between the articular cartilage and other tissues in joints to lubricate and cushion them during movement


:) :) :)
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you also said the exact same thing in a different thread back in july...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ems-i-will-come-up-something-help-558544.html

needtogetaas said:
well first off next cycle you could add some Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - at a low dos like say 200mg ew

but for now as you saw before i made a post with the same problem...first before you work out you should rotate the joints 10-15 times in each derrection.doing this releases Synovial fluid.synovial fluid reduces friction between the articular cartilage and other tissues in joints to lubricate and cushion them during movement.see where this can help

then also you can take Glucosamine, Chondroitin, & MSM JointAid 150ct from custom caps.I could even give you a brake down of what it has in it and what it dose for for you if youlike.
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Illuminati said:
you also said the exact same thing in a different thread back in july...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ems-i-will-come-up-something-help-558544.html
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great I have consistency.good man for pointing that out bro....thanks.I think if you look around more you will find I have said that more then twice maybe even 10-20 times.I have don a lot of research on joint and bone pain because I have problems with it. so I am sure wika is one place I ended up picking up some info.
along with other sites studies people and places.
 
who the fuck cares bro what do you think WERE all scientists

coming up with groundbreaking info NO WERE A COMMUNITY OF BROS

who have no problem openin up a site and reasearching for a few minutes to help

a good bro out, get over yourself man
 
needtogetaas said:
great I have consistency.good man for pointing that out bro....thanks.I think if you look around more you will find I have said that more then twice maybe even 10-20 times.
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its just funny that you try to pass it off as your own thoughts, when in fact you cut and pasted it from wikipedia. makes one wonder how much more of "your" advice is taken from somewhere else
 
Illuminati said:
its just funny that you try to pass it off as your own thoughts, when in fact you cut and pasted it from wikipedia. makes one wonder how much more of "your" advice is taken from somewhere else
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bro I was in the army for 4 years where they train you to do ratations before running and working out..I knew the benefits of it long before I looked it up on wika and other sites...I did the research on it for a few reasons
1.I myself have joint problems and 2 to get a better understanding and so as to help me explain it better.I research subjects all the time...I spend a lot of time looking at sites,books,talking to people asking for first hand knowledge,getting first hand knowledge myself,reading studies/articles and things like that.

thats what you do if you want to know more about something right.you learn about it every way you can.now your going to say that if I had a problem took the time to research and learn about that problem for my self that its wrong to show some one else...well what ever...

next time I will just take the word of one person then tell every one else to do it.


really if you look at it every thing every one says around here comes from doing it the same way I do it.research in what ever form they use to research
it...


I was not pointing pointing out that what he said was a cut and past of what ulter told him because I think its bad to cut and paste things or that researching and learning from others and other places is bad...


no I was saying it to make a point.that the person saying it has something to gain by saying it.....that was all.
 
now I know you are only here to start trouble bro cuz you and the clowns think its so fun.your really not doing this for any other reason but to bring down this site and get a laugh with your little crew.so if you would like to add to this site some how please do so but come on stop the little foolish kid games.

:)
 
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