first cyle has finally started! any and all tips are welcome:)

[kcco]

Hey guys, after about a year and a bit of tireless research, reading and lurking my first cycle is here. I would be classified as your typical hardgainer i eat huge and train hard 5days a week in the gym as well as hockey and boxing 2 days a week each but have an almost impossible time gaining muscle mass.

I feel very confident both physically and mentally with doing this aas cycle but the more info i can get from the experienced members here the better far as im concerned.

6'0
bf 8%
184lbs
24 years old
diet is very clean after seeing a dietician a year ago, 4000 calories ed minimum, 300 grams of protein, high carbs low sodium and sugar.
training sense 17, seriously for past 4 years as well as working to become a personal trainer.
my goal is to push past my wall in the gym and put on and KEEP 5-10 lbs of muscle mass, as my goal weight for years now has been 200lbs with 8-12% bf.

weeks 1-4 Dbol 30mgs ed
weeks 1-10 test e 500mg per week split into 2 injections mon and thur
weeks 1-12 arimidex .5mg e3d
weeks 1-16 liver and joint sapport/fish oils/omegas/vit e, all as directed



PCT
weeks 13-16 clomid at 50/50/25/25
weeks 13-16 unleashed post cyle combo as directed
weeks 13-16 forma stanzol 5 pumps am 5 pumps 5pm
weeks 13-16 creatine 15/15/15/15
possibly run bridge as well.

possibly hcg weeks 4-11 at 500 iu split into 2 injections per week depending if i can get a reputable product.


thankyou for any and all tips and advice.[/SIZE]

 

[dylangemelli]

not too bad of a layout and its nice to see someone who did their homework...

i would run test for 12 weeks as opposed to 10...

with dbol, you need n2guard... weeks 1-4

i would add daa powerchews or powder to your pct...

everything else looks pretty good...

if you bump your test up to 12 weeks then run hcg 500 iu's week from 7-14...

 

[buddhabuilder]

Shoot for 360 grams of protein a day, and see if you can limit some of the cardio. Other then that, it looks like you've done your home work. Are you planning on blogging it?

 

[stevesmi]

well i give you credit for posting pics and doing your homework.

but i still think if you followed my 2 links in my signature on a bulking diet and a 3 day workout split you could easily get to 200 pounds. you look athletic but you are still way below what i think you could be naturally. your legs especially i bet alone you could put on 10 pounds of muscle.. build up a strong trunk first

if you honed in your diet and workouts more you would have a much more successful first cycle

 

[MattJS]

5 days a week in the gym plus two days hockey and two days boxing... Think I know why you're a 'hardgainer' loads of exercise and virtually no rest time for muscle to recover and grow...

4k on cycle with all that activity will not be enough IMO you should aim for 5-5.5k clean cals per day and see how things go from there, if you start gaining fat drop it back a little but I can't imagine that being a problem....

I'd advise you grab some taurine, test/dbol together can cause crippling muscle pumps for some, I find it uncomfortable to walk 1km to work on that stack, for me running even 200m is impossible and you're gonna be boxing and playing hockey.... for this reason IMO Dbol really isn't a great choice for those involved in sports of that nature, you may need to alter your dose or drop it altogether if this becomes a problem

All that being said even the test alone would give you the result you're looking for provided you manage to eat enough quality food, just remember that your bulking diet on this cycle may well become your new maintenance diet once you finish....

 

[RickRock13]

Cycle looks pretty good, but you might want to add some more cals in to make up for all the cals you are burning in all the extra activity you do if gaining mass is your goal

 

[stevesmi]

5 days a week in the gym plus two days hockey and two days boxing... Think I know why you're a 'hardgainer' loads of exercise and virtually no rest time for muscle to recover and grow...

yep thats what i thought. the hockey and boxing especially are gonna burn up a shit ton of calories and make it impossible to gain muscle.

OP you better make a decision right now. do you want to focus on bodybuilding or do you want to focus on those 2 other sports? hockey is absolutely brutal, those guys are drenched in sweat and they are playing on ice !! and boxing there is a reason those guys are scrawny, its a lot of sweating and a lot of muscle wasting with all the cardio they do. I'm not talking about Mike Tyson heavyweight boxers, I'm talking about the welterweights and middleweight guys. they have very LEAN muscle, they cannot afford to put on tons of muscle or they would have to fight in a bigger weight class

bodybuilding is about large muscle mass, we do not strive for lean muscle like in other sports. and to build large muscle mass you need to ease way up on all that cardio. lift big to get big and eat big to get big. you can blame your genetics all you want but most bodybuilders were skinny when they were younger too.. i weighed 123 pounds when i was 17.

 

[semper03]

looks pretty good but add nolvadex to your PCT

Do not do this.


"You can't spell strength without tren"

 

[bigbassturd]

No way should you add nolvadex. That shit is trash. The NTBM pct products are all natural and will get you functioning without making you feel like death took a shit on you.

Nice that you did your homework bro, there will never again be gains like you get from your first cycle.

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[joeblow12345]

Everything looks solid with the cycle. The only things Id add is hcgenerate weeks 4-10 and run hcg 10-14. Id also run the test 12 weeks. And the last thing Id run clomid at 25 mg a day. Clomid is effective but too much will make you emotional and sensitive. And Id cut out the extra activities like boxing. That will consume all of those calories that growing muscles need. It doesnt matter if your body is anabolic, when you dont have the fuel to feed it.

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[EZ_E]

+1 on the hockey, don't use the "hardgainer" myth...I used to be a goalie in my early years, give up the puck or your ahem; goal of bulking up, you can't do both.........

~EZ

 

[RADAR]

well i give you credit for posting pics and doing your homework.

but i still think if you followed my 2 links in my signature on a bulking diet and a 3 day workout split you could easily get to 200 pounds. you look athletic but you are still way below what i think you could be naturally. your legs especially i bet alone you could put on 10 pounds of muscle.. build up a strong trunk first

if you honed in your diet and workouts more you would have a much more successful first cycle

I agree with Steve, if you can't gain any weight ,then how do you expect to keep all of that new muscle? Your food intake should be your highest priority before starting a cycle.

 

[gatemoney]

I agree with Steve, if you can't gain any weight ,then how do you expect to keep all of that new muscle? Your food intake should be your highest priority before starting a cycle.

I have the hardest time explaining this to people.
They just refuse to except it.

 

[MattJS]

I agree with Steve, using AAS is a pretty serious step down the bodybuilding road, particularly with the goal and compounds involved.... It's a bit like proposing to your girl even though you have a couple of 'bits on the side' ....your girl is bodybuilding and your bits on the side are hockey and boxing...

 

[Braden069]

ii

 

[kcco]

wow guys im blown away with all the help and quick comments, much appriciated!



Dylan i will go to my local supplement store and get something as close to n2gaurd as i can. I will up my test to 12 weeks and adjust my pct accordingly (weeks 14 to 18) and i will also look into the DAA powerchews. The hcg i will look into right away as i cannot get it from where i get my aas but i have heard about

locations in the city that actually administer it for you legally and safely due to people wanting to use it for weight lose and help with energy levels etc etc.



If the worst thing about this cycle is my boxing and hockey i can deff fix that, After all the research time and money iv spent on this cycle i want to get everything i can out of it so i will cut out the other activities and focus soley on this goal.

My calories are a minimumof 4000 but at the end of the day usually are around 4600 to 4900, The past 2 days i focused on 5500 though and actually got there easier than i thought i would be able to protein obviously was upped with the calorie change as well.



as far as my diet goes I think it is more than good enough and my workout routine is something iv worked on and tweaked for a long time, push/pull/rest/shoulders/legs/rest/rest of course mixed with core twice per week and other little things dependent on how my body feels, but i will deff read up on your links and take what i can from them.



Thankyou again everyone for your help.

 

[John McLane]

well i give you credit for posting pics and doing your homework.

but i still think if you followed my 2 links in my signature on a bulking diet and a 3 day workout split you could easily get to 200 pounds. you look athletic but you are still way below what i think you could be naturally. your legs especially i bet alone you could put on 10 pounds of muscle.. build up a strong trunk first

if you honed in your diet and workouts more you would have a much more successful first cycle

I agree, its too early for you bro to get on roids yet

 

[Krazie Apparel]

Ok seriously wtf is up with isteroids? He post the same stupid shit about nolva like atleast five times a day that i can see and one nolva is shit and two he just says add novla. Am i the only one seeing this. It just seems weird and suspect.

 

[semper03]

Ok seriously wtf is up with isteroids? He post the same stupid shit about nolva like atleast five times a day that i can see and one nolva is shit and two he just says add novla. Am i the only one seeing this. It just seems weird and suspect.

I just get tired of correcting his shit. Idk how he is a sponsor for this board.


"You can't spell strength without tren"

 

[muscleaddiction]

Ok seriously wtf is up with isteroids? He post the same stupid shit about nolva like atleast five times a day that i can see and one nolva is shit and two he just says add novla. Am i the only one seeing this. It just seems weird and suspect.

Lol...getting tired of hearing Nolva myself...lets start that drinking game, whoever says Nolva has to take a shot lol!

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[stopstalking]

Lol...getting tired of hearing Nolva myself...lets start that drinking game, whoever says Nolva has to take a shot lol!

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I don't understand all the hate for
Nolva. Have you guys ran it ? Honestly I wouldn't trust nolva by its self but think its a great addition to a pct. it kills gyno for me.

 

[joeblow12345]

I don't understand all the hate for
Nolva. Have you guys ran it ? Honestly I wouldn't trust nolva by its self but think its a great addition to a pct. it kills gyno for me.

Yes I have ran it with terrible results. It will give you a boost temporarilly then you come crashing down. And all your hard work gets wasted. Once I discovered postcycle and unleashed they became a staple in my pct along with a low dose of clomid.

 

[bigbassturd]

Lol...getting tired of hearing Nolva myself...lets start that drinking game, whoever says Nolva has to take a shot lol!

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Nolva nolva nolva nolva!

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[dew925]

I don't understand all the hate for
Nolva. Have you guys ran it ? Honestly I wouldn't trust nolva by its self but think its a great addition to a pct. it kills gyno for me.

DRINK--- lol

 

[muscleaddiction]

Nolva nolva nolva nolva!

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Feel like getting buzzed lol!!!

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[bigbassturd]

Lol MA it has been one of those days!

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[muscleaddiction]

Lol MA it has been one of those days!

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Fuck bro it has been one of those weeks lmao!

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[kcco]

haha so it seems pretty unanimous not to add nolvo into my pct!

while on the subject and with the vets and moderators in here i would like to ask what would your personal preference pct look like for a starter cycle like this. The bottles have directions i know but more towards your personal experinces using them such as if you like to double dose bridge(dylan) or double does unleashed for certain weeks etc etc.

my pct is roughly going to be as follows for first test cycle, pct beggining 2 weeks from last pin.

clomid weeks 15-18 50/25/25/12.5
unleashed weeks 15-18 3 pills morning then 3 pills evening for first week, then 3 pills a day for remaining 3 weeks.
post cyle weeks 15-18 3 pills morning then 3 pills evening for full month then maintinence dose of 3 pills per day for second month.
forma stanzol weeks 10-18 10 pumps am 10 pumps pm
Bridge weeks 19-26 at 2 caps per day spread apart atleast 4 hours

i know hcg, hcenerate, power chews are not in there yet as i am still researching them, any revisions to m pct plan are welcome not only for me but hopefully for other begginers that look at this thread,

Thanks guys.

 

[stevesmi]

I don't understand all the hate for
Nolva. Have you guys ran it ? Honestly I wouldn't trust nolva by its self but think its a great addition to a pct. it kills gyno for me.

yes unfortunately I have run it for PCT. my dick stopped working and I lost all motivation for the gym. worst PCT i ever ran. found EF, and now I feel great during PCT. huge difference.

nolva is an AI but it has shitty sides. its cheap. and its also known as being hell on breast cancer survivors who get put on it for 5 years straight.

there are way better ways to run PCT's, its not all about crushing estrogen.. and I would pick adex, aromasin, forma, and a bunch more AI's over nolva which do the same thing WITHOUT such shitty sides

 

[dylangemelli]

your forma dosage is too high... there is no reason to exceed 10 pumps a day... 5 in the a.m. and 5 in the p.m... your bridge dose is too low... at least do 3 caps a day... 6 is much more effective but 3 is still good... you don't need to add hcgenerate to your pct but i would recommend daa powerchews or powder... otherwise, it looks good...

 

[kcco]

Not a clue why i put 10 it was saposed to say 7 as per the bottle directions but i will give 5 a try deff and not do more than 10 weeks is what i beleive the bottle says for forma. The hcg or generate i was looking more for the last stretch of the cycle to make pct a smoother process with more gains kept. I have already ordered some of the power chews

Awesome thanks for the help everyone and as far as a blog goes if anyones interested let me know, as of right now im third week in, injections are no problem, my weights keep going up, im up 6 pounds, blowing my mind how much im eating and i have to force myself to leave the gym everytime!

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