Fina/Winny question. Zyg or TX.

[up'n'comin']

What do you think about Fina @ 75mg/eod weeks 1-6 and then Winny(drinking Zambon)@ 50mg/eod for weeks 2-6? Followed 2 days after last Fina shot with 300 clomid, then 10 days at 100, and finally 10 days at 50. What kind of results could I expect? I want to maintain at least 10 lbs. of LBM while hardening up a bit with the Winny. Thanks in advance. My first cycle.

 

[Zyglamail]

if you have it, do the winny for all 6 weeks ed at 50mg. If thats all ya have, then thats all ya have. When you talk about using winny to harden you up, believe me, fina will made you hard as hell on its own. At 50mg/eod I would not expect a ton from the winny but it can hurt either. What to expect will largely depend on how large you are now(muscle mass wise). if your good sized but not huge, I would say you couls expect 20lbs lean muscle if you eat clean and train hard and get plenty of protien. By plenty I dont mean 400 grams either, I think thats a tad excessive, just try and get 200-250 grams and you should be fine. If your find your gaining strength but not mass after 2 weeks up your cals, but fina seems to allow one to add lean mass even on restricted cals.....assuming your not allready a mass monster.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, you've got two quick acting drugs that will be in and out in a day, and you are doing both eod. Plus you are doing fina w/o test.

Now, fina, I can understand, nobody wants to be a pincushion, but there is no excuse for the winny. That should be done every day, imo.

Hmmm, 10 pounds in 6 weeks is pretty good. I don't know if it's attainable, but it sure is possible. Tren is very anabolic, and so is winny.

And with first cycles, most can grow off of anything.

I know winny ain't cheap, but if you can afford it, go with winny @ 50mg/day.

I think running tren without test is asking for trouble. Test is cheap and widely available. Plus, all you need is 5-6 amps. You could start halfway through week one, and end it so you can take your clomid 2-3 days after your last tren shot.

If you can only do one of the 2, get the test, it's that important, and that cheap.

 

[up'n'comin']

Tx, I read that if you drink Zambon eod you can get good results, whereas taking 50 mg eod in tabs leaves something to be desired. Besides, the expense is outrageous. Also, why do I need test? If I did use it could I get by on one amp per week of sustanon or would I need more? Would the addition of test dramatically increase my results? Thanks in advance. I appreciate the speedy reply.

 

[ultragainz]

if you drink take it ed if you shot you can take it eod or ed

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, like I said, winny ain't cheap.

As for the test, from what I have read, it curbs the rage tendencies that fina is known for, and it also allows everything to be in working order (read: your dick). One amp is plenty. All you need it for is to replace the test your body will stop producing. Fina is as hard on the hpta as deca is.

Will it affect your results? Possibly. Will it affect your mood, and enjoyment of your cycle? Absolutely. And the cost is minimal.

Ulter is the one that got me reading about this, and I am in total agreement with him. I will never do fina without test. Even 100mg/week of enanthate is enough. So 250mg of sust/omna is plenty.

Don't get me wrong, you CAN do tren without test, and you WILL get good results. I just wouldn't advise it.

 

[Steelheart]

Just wanted your info on this cycle

30cc 50mg/cc of EQ
20cc 100mg/cc of Tren
60 capsules 50mg/capsules winstrol (chewable)

(I have on hand)
4 cc of omnadren
6cc of enanthate
(10cc of test)

My goal is to become leaner.

My cycle should only last 6 weeks
Tren 100mg EOD
Winni 50mg EOD
EQ 150mg per week.(maybe use it)
Test (maybe) 200mg -( I only have about 10cc)

Im not in favor of taking lots of stuff.

Maybe I should just use fina for 6 weeks, then next cycle winni for 8 weeks, then next cycle EQ for 6 weeks.... all taking alonne....

 

[TxLonghorn]

I think you will like the tren/test/winny cycle for 6 weeks. That should lean you up fairly well.

As for the eq at 150mg/week. Even if you don't like taking lots of gear, I can't see this dosage having any affect on you, and especially not in only 6 weeks. Most don't even feel eq until week #5.

Also, if you don't like taking much gear, try just the tren/test combo. The winny can be run alone with good results.

There are pretty much an infinite number of ways to do the stuff you have.

tx

 

[Steelheart]

well let me know,,,

My stats are
6ft
227lbs
13% fat
25 years old.

I juiced heavily 5 years ago, but been clean for 5 years. Looking to get more muscular and vascular.
I was gonna just use the fina, but I got in touch with some good winni. (chewable) 60 caps at 50 mg each.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Since I don't know what you are comfortable with, I will recommend 2 options:

1. tren/test/winny done for 6 weeks (test @200mg/week), winny at 50mg/day or eod, fina at 75mg ed or eod.

or

2. tren/test same as above. clomid therapy, followed by a winny only cycle, or a winny, eq cycle. If winny only, 50mg/day for 6 weeks. If taking eq, at least go for 8 weeks. And you already know I think 150mg/week of eq is pointless, but you know your body better than me. Personally, I won't touch eq at under 600mg/week. But at 50mg/ml that's a lotta stabbing yourself.

Good luck with whichever you decide, and also feel free to tweak them to your hearts content. They are only suggestions.

tx