My thoughts are that maybe it's not going to do as much as it will for someone who is already in shape and lean and will see the results more easily but I'm for ANYTHING that will give me more motivation in the gym. I'm going to have a hell of alot more motivation knowing that I'm building muscle faster which is helping me burn more fat. Anything that is going to give me more of an edge mentally i'm going to try. I got down from 300 pounds to a nice solid lean 222 and I feel fricken great. I might not have made it mentally if I wasn't juicing at the time. I have to say though that the winstrol is a complete waste to take unless your already fairly lean. It's just not going to do anything but harden up the muscles under the fat layer which you wont see till you get leaner.