ESTROGEN 101 Before you use anything, read this.

[odoyal rulez]

Ok look, i've been nice..but you sir are a fucking moron. Anyone that believes anything you type I feel sorry for. Here is proof the Sesapure works on cholesterol. Since it is made of sesame lignans here are some studies regarding sesame and its effects on cholesterol.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_cover_sesame_02.htm

In 1995, researchers at the University of Shizuoka, Japan, found that sesaminol, the most prevalent sesame lignan, effectively inhibited LDL oxidation, outperforming other well-established biological antioxidants, including quercetin, epigallocatechin-3 gallate (EGCG), theaflavin, BHT, and alpha tocopherol. In fact, the lag time to oxidation—the determining factor in antioxidant potency—was greatly increased.22

The lignan sesaminol is thus a strong antioxidant with powerful antioxidant effects.

Sesame lignans have been shown to improve lipid profiles in both humans and experimental animals. Unfavorable lipid profiles are a significant risk factor for cardiovascular disease. In one study, re-searchers examined the effects of sesamin on cholesterol metabolism in rats.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9072406&dopt=Abstract

PUB MED FYI

In the liver, both sesamin and episesamin significantly suppressed cholesterol accumulation

http://journals.cambridge.org/downl...99a.pdf&code=8e966a5ba5cac297cc1b3917051f9ad5

here's another

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=84

and another...

Where is YOU'RE research that shows Sesame doesn't help cholesterol? Where is you're research on ANYTHING you've said....

 

[MR Pink]

With all due respect...how do you know it "worked?"

Because just because you didn't get gyno means nothing. I know a guy who uses 250mgs of sus EOD and no anti e and he doesn't get gyno. He does smoke cigars however. So according to your logic, the cigars are anti estrogenic.

Did you have blood drawn pre and post and it showed lower e? That's the only way.

Incidentally, that's what I did when testing "Unleashed" and I including my own work, which is the best barometer because I know what I'd done. My "free T" increased ( on 3 separate occasions) while using it as did everyone else who was tested. (Though some more than others).

Even if AIFM "works" (and I sincerely doubt it) it isn't as effective as a real drug and it isn't as safe as a natural substance. It just doesn't make sense to use untested, unapproved chemical concoctions. I'm a little old school in that regard. (The body being a temple and all that).

That doens't make any sense ... you tell people stuff works out of your own experience but Odoyal can't.... maybe the coffee you drink every day is anti estrogenic?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ok look, i've been nice..but you sir are a fucking moron. Anyone that believes anything you type I feel sorry for. Here is proof the Sesapure works on cholesterol. Since it is made of sesame lignans here are some studies regarding sesame and its effects on cholesterol.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_cover_sesame_02.htm

In 1995, researchers at the University of Shizuoka, Japan, found that sesaminol, the most prevalent sesame lignan, effectively inhibited LDL oxidation, outperforming other well-established biological antioxidants, including quercetin, epigallocatechin-3 gallate (EGCG), theaflavin, BHT, and alpha tocopherol. In fact, the lag time to oxidation—the determining factor in antioxidant potency—was greatly increased.22

The lignan sesaminol is thus a strong antioxidant with powerful antioxidant effects.

Sesame lignans have been shown to improve lipid profiles in both humans and experimental animals. Unfavorable lipid profiles are a significant risk factor for cardiovascular disease. In one study, re-searchers examined the effects of sesamin on cholesterol metabolism in rats.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9072406&dopt=Abstract

PUB MED FYI

In the liver, both sesamin and episesamin significantly suppressed cholesterol accumulation

http://journals.cambridge.org/downl...99a.pdf&code=8e966a5ba5cac297cc1b3917051f9ad5

here's another

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=84

and another...

Where is YOU'RE research that shows Sesame doesn't help cholesterol? Where is you're research on ANYTHING you've said....

I am SO glad you brought this up!

Yes, I was reading the ingredients and then when they used the brand name they mentioned the lignans so I missed it.

HOWEVER...

Had I known this in the first place I would have made a point of it. LIGNANS LOWER DHT!!! That, is why it may lower cholesterol, by lowering testosterone. Congratulations. And ironically, it may increase estrogen as well. (So I guess you'll be needing some AIFM)

Here's one of those research source you revere so much.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache...er+dht&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=safari




Now don't you feel like a douchebag?












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[Nelson Montana]

That doens't make any sense ... you tell people stuff works out of your own experience but Odoyal can't.... maybe the coffee you drink every day is anti estrogenic?

My experience included blood work dude.

 

[chazk]

Even though Macro and Ulter often provided me with inteligent and usefull advice, they never once posted a pic of themselves.would just be interesting to see.

Does anyone have archived pics of AR, Nelson, Macro, Ulter????

ulter did post a pic once and that was the only time... I ripped on him hard for being on gram of drugs a week and being a skinny nerd.. he got upset and edited out my post and then locked the thread I posted it in...

He looked like just every other scrawny googly eyed fag that hangs in the corner and watches everyone else lift weights....i'll see if the pic is in my recyc bin if it is i'll pull it out.

 

[MR Pink]

My experience included blood work dude.

mine did too ...I used AIFM last year throughout my cycle and pct and I recovered better than with clomid/hcg alone ...kept almost everything I gained .... my test levels came back fine after my pct was over.

The only thing I changed was using AIFM and it was my first run of tren which is one of the more suppressive AS.

 

[Triple J]

product bashing / product pimping - different sides of the same coin

keep the talk at the level of what value lies in specific ingrediants / herbs/ chemicals / modes of action, etc. then you come off much more credible

 

[odoyal rulez]

OMFG did you even read what you posted...lol nothing I can do or say makes you look as bad as what YOU say..here is some exerpts from what YOU posted as your research.

Lignans act as phytoestrogens. When they are ingested, the body transforms them into a form that keeps hormones from over-stimulating cells, a process that helps support healthy cell growth

Lignans also interfere with enzymes that can promote cancer development and therefore may be helpful in the treatment of cancer

Populations that eat lignan-rich diets have lower breast cancer rates

Lignans are antioxidants, substances that can keep harmful free radicals from ping-ponging through tissues; scientists think that’s why flax lignans have shown an ability to lower cholesterol and act in cancer prevention

DHT, the form of testosterone that can harm the prostate, attacks hair follicles and spurs excess oil production in the skin, increasing the chances of pimple formation. Flax lignans interfere with DHT production...

OMG OMG...do you mean that by taking sesapure I can reduce hairloss, excess oil, and decrease acne...Jesus Nelson..i wouldnt want that!


Now whose the douchebag...get the fuck off this board...

 

[bikercoz]

Nelson,

By you coming out and saying AIFM is pure garbage simply proves your lack of credibility and desire to sell your products over a competitors.

Sales rules 101,, don't bash the competiton, makes you look REAL bad.

 

[Nelson Montana]

OMFG did you even read what you posted...lol nothing I can do or say makes you look as bad as what YOU say..here is some exerpts from what YOU posted as your research.

Lignans act as phytoestrogens. When they are ingested, the body transforms them into a form that keeps hormones from over-stimulating cells, a process that helps support healthy cell growth

Lignans also interfere with enzymes that can promote cancer development and therefore may be helpful in the treatment of cancer

Populations that eat lignan-rich diets have lower breast cancer rates

Lignans are antioxidants, substances that can keep harmful free radicals from ping-ponging through tissues; scientists think that’s why flax lignans have shown an ability to lower cholesterol and act in cancer prevention

DHT, the form of testosterone that can harm the prostate, attacks hair follicles and spurs excess oil production in the skin, increasing the chances of pimple formation. Flax lignans interfere with DHT production...

OMG OMG...do you mean that by taking sesapure I can reduce hairloss, excess oil, and decrease acne...Jesus Nelson..i wouldnt want that!


Now whose the douchebag...get the fuck off this board...

Yeah, okay kid. Whatever.


Would love to see the pic of ulter. I know macro's pretty big but have no idea what shape he's in. And of course, none of this is from expertise or supps, it's from juice.

I'd be happy to post (if I knew how...help!) my natural pic with the baseball cap on my site at age 41 against anyones -- not that I'm all that amazing. I'm not. Never calimed to be a mass monster. But I do believe getting results naturally says a lot more than just filling the syringe to the top and shooting away.

As for my expertise on steroids, well, I've kept my gains, and have the phone numbers of the top people in the field as well as many pros. So take it for what it's worth.


As a matter of fact...COMING SOON...An interview I did with Craig Titus a few years back. VERY interesting.