Dosage Misconceptions

[Nelson Montana]

Here's more bro-science that needs to be addressed.

There's an understanding that certain steroids need a certain dosage to work. For example, 25 mgs of maot orals won't do much at all. But let me ask you a question.

What if you did 25 mgs of var and 25 mgs of d-bol and 25 mgs of winstrol and 25 mgs of Tbol? Would none of them work?

In other words, dosages are meaningless when you start adding more than 2 compounds.

It's the TOTAL amount that matters. Not the amount of just one or the other.

 

[meathead96]

Good point nelson. I agree with this.

 

[joonp]

So would u say that all of those would be equal to 100mg of one compound? Would any certain ones be weighted at a higher ratio?

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[Nelson Montana]

So would u say that all of those would be equal to 100mg of one compound? Would any certain ones be weighted at a higher ratio?

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Some are a little more potent mg per mg, but, yeah, it comes out to about 100 mgs of a compound that would do what all those steroids do. When you mix and match you;re essentially creating your own mixture .

 

[EZ_E]

Yet another sticky worthy post......

~EZ

 

[dylangemelli]

Yes but if your mixing winstrol and dbol for example its not the same because your mixing polar opposites... I guess if its me, im picking one and running it how its meant to be run but thats just me

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yes but if your mixing winstrol and dbol for example its not the same because your mixing polar opposites... I guess if its me, im picking one and running it how its meant to be run but thats just me

Well, sure, that's why I believe in only doing test and whatever else you want to try, otherwise, you never know what's doing what. But d-bol and winny aren't really opposites. They're both anabolic. They're both androgenic. They have slightly different results but that's the whole purpose of mixing. You still get whatever dosage's worth of whatever you take. Actually 25 mgs d-bol and 25 mgs winny would give results comparable to 50 mgs of Turinabol.

 

[dylangemelli]

Well, sure, that's why I believe in only doing test and whatever else you want to try, otherwise, you never know what's doing what. But d-bol and winny aren't really opposites. They're both anabolic. They're both androgenic. They have slightly different results but that's the whole purpose of mixing. You still get whatever dosage's worth of whatever you take. Actually 25 mgs d-bol and 25 mgs winny would give results comparable to 50 mgs of Turinabol.

I understand what your saying and it makes sense but i guess im lost as to how dbol and winstrol are not opposite... They are as opposite as you get... I dont know i guess to me it makes no sense to start mixing a bunch of shit when you can just run something as its supposed to be... Just because they are both androgenic does not mean they are the same or do the same... I dont know i guess its making things a lot more complicated than they need to be but i think we both know first hand that people love to do that

 

[Nelson Montana]

I understand what your saying and it makes sense but i guess im lost as to how dbol and winstrol are not opposite... They are as opposite as you get... I dont know i guess to me it makes no sense to start mixing a bunch of shit when you can just run something as its supposed to be... Just because they are both androgenic does not mean they are the same or do the same... I dont know i guess its making things a lot more complicated than they need to be but i think we both know first hand that people love to do that

Mixing dbol and winny is like mixing test and mast. One creates size and water and blood volume and the other gets you hard. That , to me, actually makes more sense than mixing 2 compounds that act similarly.

 

[ledhead]

Mixing dbol and winny is like mixing test and mast. One creates size and water and blood volume and the other gets you hard. That , to me, actually makes more sense than mixing 2 compounds that act similarly.

I would have to agree with you on this one..

 

[RickRock13]

Great point, but generally people have very specific goals for a cycle, and running test with one properly dosed oral for that goal makes more sense to me than taking a little bit of a few different things. Just my .02

 

[joonp]

Mixing dbol and winny is like mixing test and mast. One creates size and water and blood volume and the other gets you hard. That , to me, actually makes more sense than mixing 2 compounds that act similarly.

so knowing what compounds work well with each other is key to specific goals correct? Take your example, if you used dbol and winny together would you get the best of both worlds? Of course dosage would have to be right but would the winny keep you from holding too much water but the dbol give you the size but dryer? Are there any aas that when used jointly would give you drug interactions? Im just trying to learn more so i apologize for all the questions...

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[dylangemelli]

Mixing dbol and winny is like mixing test and mast. One creates size and water and blood volume and the other gets you hard. That , to me, actually makes more sense than mixing 2 compounds that act similarly.

It makes sense to me but im sticking with the way i run things... It seems to be working ok =)

 

[dylangemelli]

Great point, but generally people have very specific goals for a cycle, and running test with one properly dosed oral for that goal makes more sense to me than taking a little bit of a few different things. Just my .02

Thats exactly how i see it but its all about the goal wanted

 

[Nelson Montana]

It makes sense to me but im sticking with the way i run things... It seems to be working ok =)

There's more than one way to skin a cat. But the original point remains. There's no such thing as a minimum dose of a particular compound once you start mixing and matching.

 

[stevesmi]

i think what nelson is getting at is that hormones are hormones. a lot of newbs don't get this concept. every AAS out there are derived from male hormones.. its a simple point but guys just don't get this concept.

 

[ceo]

Mixing dbol and winny is like mixing test and mast. One creates size and water and blood volume and the other gets you hard. That , to me, actually makes more sense than mixing 2 compounds that act similarly.

Maybe low dose test and mast at the end of a cycle. Like higher test, anadrol and deca for the first half of a cycle, then lower dose test, mast and winny the second half of the cycle.

So you have the first half of a cycle with the objective of adding mass and the second half of the cycle of holding onto that mass and hardening it.

 

[dylangemelli]

Maybe low dose test and mast at the end of a cycle. Like higher test, anadrol and deca for the first half of a cycle, then lower dose test, mast and winny the second half of the cycle.

So you have the first half of a cycle with the objective of adding mass and the second half of the cycle of holding onto that mass and hardening it.

Thats more along the lines i see it

 

[Nelson Montana]

Maybe low dose test and mast at the end of a cycle. Like higher test, anadrol and deca for the first half of a cycle, then lower dose test, mast and winny the second half of the cycle.

So you have the first half of a cycle with the objective of adding mass and the second half of the cycle of holding onto that mass and hardening it.

I know that's the standard thinking but if you're not trying to"peak" at a particular point, what the difference between getting lean and big and getting leaner and bigger instead of getting big , then lean? Know what I mean? On my last cycle, I concentrated on losing the fat FIRST and then I could just work on building more muscle. That actually worked out nicely.

 

[MattJS]

I agree with your point, as for the application of it I suppose that depends on what you want, I'm running a very low dose of three different orals currently... Why? Because I want a heavy hitter (strong androgen) in the mix for gains, but I don't want to get gyno or to be a bloatfish, so the other two are dry compounds, the mix allows me to make lean gains without looking like shit basically...

I'm a big believer in using multiple compounds at a low dose....

 

[EZ_E]

I know that's the standard thinking but if you're not trying to"peak" at a particular point, what the difference between getting lean and big and getting leaner and bigger instead of getting big , then lean? Know what I mean? On my last cycle, I concentrated on losing the fat FIRST and then I could just work on building more muscle. That actually worked out nicely.

You made a great point in you pre comp thread about guys who cycle to get in shape, where a smarter move is to never get out of shape.....I feel like a lot of new guys get lazy off cycle and then go with the "more is better" philosophy

 

[bonacris]

You made a great point in you pre comp thread about guys who cycle to get in shape, where a smarter move is to never get out of shape.....I feel like a lot of new guys get lazy off cycle and then go with the "more is better" philosophy

This is definitely the way to go.. go into a cycle at as lean as possible and the add to that with AAS rather than being a fat ass and relying on the gear to do the work for you..

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[dylangemelli]

This is definitely the way to go.. go into a cycle at as lean as possible and the add to that with AAS rather than being a fat ass and relying on the gear to do the work for you..

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It would be nice if more people realized that

 

[RADAR]

Regardless what i'm training for, 99% of the time i'm training hard core with gear as a supplement.


You reap what you sow.

 

[ceo]

It would be nice if more people realized that

everyone's a fat ass compared to you bro.

 

[hurricane]

There are different opinions on how to mix gear but i dont think people can argue... to many fools dont take into consideration total dosage of the steriods they are using,instead focusing on individual doses of each compound.Thats a dangerous game and not how it is suppose to be done.

 

[dylangemelli]

everyone's a fat ass compared to you bro.

lolllll =)

 

[ledhead]

I agree with your point, as for the application of it I suppose that depends on what you want, I'm running a very low dose of three different orals currently... Why? Because I want a heavy hitter (strong androgen) in the mix for gains, but I don't want to get gyno or to be a bloatfish, so the other two are dry compounds, the mix allows me to make lean gains without looking like shit basically...

I'm a big believer in using multiple compounds at a low dose....[/quote]


Which is a good philosophy because by doing that you are opening up different receptors.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree with your point, as for the application of it I suppose that depends on what you want, I'm running a very low dose of three different orals currently... Why? Because I want a heavy hitter (strong androgen) in the mix for gains, but I don't want to get gyno or to be a bloatfish, so the other two are dry compounds, the mix allows me to make lean gains without looking like shit basically...

I'm a big believer in using multiple compounds at a low dose....[/quote]


Which is a good philosophy because by doing that you are opening up different receptors.

Technically not different receptors but I know what you mean.

 

[Nelson Montana]

There are different opinions on how to mix gear but i dont think people can argue... to many fools dont take into consideration total dosage of the steriods they are using,instead focusing on individual doses of each compound.Thats a dangerous game and not how it is suppose to be done.

Exactly. How many times have we read posts where the guy says. "I'm only taking 500 mgs of test" and then you find out he's also taking a total of 1500 mgs of other shit.

 

[Jack steel]

Mixing dbol and winny is like mixing test and mast. One creates size and water and blood volume and the other gets you hard. That , to me, actually makes more sense than mixing 2 compounds that act similarly.

I agree. A nice well rounded stack of different compounds.

 

[Jack steel]

There are different opinions on how to mix gear but i dont think people can argue... to many fools dont take into consideration total dosage of the steriods they are using,instead focusing on individual doses of each compound.Thats a dangerous game and not how it is suppose to be done.

Another good point. When someone says they're taking 250mg of test E they're actually on a 500 mg. That can't be over stated in my opinion. That of course depends on half-life and dosing schedule.

 

[ceo]

If you ain't running at least 3 grams of gear a week you should probably just take up knitting.

 

[EZ_E]

everyone's a fat ass compared to you bro.

 

[stevesmi]

If you ain't running at least 3 grams of gear a week you should probably just take up knitting.

I run an entire 10ml vial EOD. 10CC 18G syringe into my calf and biceps alternating. it don't hurt a bit.

 

[NegroPops]

I disagree. I think you have to take a certain amount of something to make it effective. There is a reason you don't see people running 100 mg a week of 10 different compounds.

 

[ceo]

I disagree. I think you have to take a certain amount of something to make it effective. There is a reason you don't see people running 100 mg a week of 10 different compounds.

I like to run 100mg a day of 10 different compounds (100mg x 10 compounds = 1,000mg/day FTW!).

Nothing like a 7 gram/week cycle!!!!!111!@!

 

[goin on 4T]

I have a shunt which I just mainline 20ml of test e 300 e3d.

 

[ceo]

Is that your HRT dose bro?