Depressed I cant train

[Outtlaw]

It sucks being "off". It's fucking depressing me that I cant train the way I used to. I just want to go in and lift hard and feel the adrenaline flow. Now it takes me so long to recover from the previous workout, that I can barely train 2-3times a week. How do you guys that come off deal with this? Or do you just wait to go back on cycle?

 

[boops]

It sucks being "off". It's fucking depressing me that I cant train the way I used to. I just want to go in and lift hard and feel the adrenaline flow. Now it takes me so long to recover from the previous workout, that I can barely train 2-3times a week. How do you guys that come off deal with this? Or do you just wait to go back on cycle?

just gotta push through it, yes it sucks bad as the weights decrease somewhat but if ya just flat out stop going your gonna lose it all.....have you tired CEE products or BSN NOxplode, i am taking the NO and the energy increase as well as pump is pretty good and something im glad i tried....

 

[monster2929]

caffeine!!!!!!

 

[Outtlaw]

just gotta push through it, yes it sucks bad as the weights decrease somewhat but if ya just flat out stop going your gonna lose it all.....have you tired CEE products or BSN NOxplode, i am taking the NO and the energy increase as well as pump is pretty good and something im glad i tried....

I've heard the NO is hit or miss with most people. So not sure I want to take a chance on it. But my main problem is recovery time. My energy is fine, naturally Im not as pumped, but it takes me twice as long to recover from a workout.

 

[scout69]

xanax mmmmmm

 

[BigCracker]

Just never go off longer than 4 weeks. That way by the time you start to crash the new gear kicks in. Healthy? Probably not. Then again neither is depression-which can lead to a host of health problems as well.

Ignore my advice on this topic. I'm the wrong guy to ask.

 

[boops]

I've heard the NO is hit or miss with most people. So not sure I want to take a chance on it. But my main problem is recovery time. My energy is fine, naturally Im not as pumped, but it takes me twice as long to recover from a workout.

yeah i hear ya bro, as for the NO i too have heard its hit and miss but i figured i would try and i was pleasently surprised by it.....as for the recovery maybe up the protein some more and just sleep longer if possible..other then that im not sure what else ya can try...goodluck man

 

[Its All Genetics]

recovering ive learner has to do the most with these three things...


getting 8 hours of good sleep everyight


eating well


limiting sets from 4-5 to 3-4 for arms and lowering 5-6 to 4-5 for chest back and shoulders


l-glutamine supplementation is wayyyy cheaper then bsn and all that other shit and is alll u need to help with recovery

 

[mendo]

I always just bite the bullet and drop the volume way down. I can usually do 2 or 3 heavy work sets, but thats about it. I usually keep most of my strength that way, but I do have to cut back to training every other day if I go heavy while off. I always alternate between training for strength/power and size, whether on or off, so I'm already used to the psychological feeling of lowering the weight from time to time...

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Pm me bro..i have an idea.

 

[sledhead09]

I am nowhere near you caliber I have been on just about all the great fix meds for depression. I take a few 5htp and St john’s wart and push thru it. Everyone is different.

 

[Singleton]

injectible b12

 

[OMEGA]

ps its thread like this that make me want to bring back my Glutamine Peptide product

cus it worked.....

 

[Joe Stenson]

Now it takes me so long to recover from the previous workout, that I can barely train 2-3times a week. How do you guys that come off deal with this?

Train less frequently, ie. 2-3 times/week...

 

[Mr.X]

It sucks being "off". It's fucking depressing me that I cant train the way I used to. I just want to go in and lift hard and feel the adrenaline flow. Now it takes me so long to recover from the previous workout, that I can barely train 2-3times a week. How do you guys that come off deal with this? Or do you just wait to go back on cycle?

Try some of these herbs, they should help with depression, no need to use drugs for it:

Licorice
St. John's wort
Ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba)
Siberian ginseng
Balm
Basil
Black Hellebore
Borage
Clove
Damiana
Fo-ti-tieng
Ginger
Kava kava
Oat straw
Purslane
Rosemary
Sage
Thyme

 

[Mr.X]

here are some mixes for you.

Antidepressant Tincture

1 teaspoon tincture of Saint-John's-wort leaf
½ teaspoon tinctures of licorice root, ginseng root, lemon balm leaf and ashwaganda leaf (if available)

Combine ingredients (if you do not or cannot drink alcohol, buy glycerites instead of tinctures). Take 1 dropperful 3 times a day.


Clove Tea

Crush cloves and add to sage, camomile or peppermint tea and a dash of ginseng powder to lift mild depression.


my favorite:
Kava Blend

Mix equal parts of kava, lemon balm, valerian root and St. John's wort. Pour 1 cup of boiling water over 1 tsp. of herb mix. Drink 1 cup three times daily, one hour after meals.

where can you get these? chinatown, organic food store, or online. I would suggest chinatown.

 

[ortiz34]

I know where you are coming from Outlaw. My first cycle was Var and winny for 6 weeks and the strength gains mainly from the Var were unbelievable. When I came off I couldn't accept the fact that my lifts were going down, now I know they will.

Seeing as your last cycle was junk as I remember, it should be soon you should be able to start again. That's if YOU are ready. Good luck.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I was worried about the crash coming of my 2nd cycle, which was 12 weeks long last summer.

My last shot from that cycle was 8/28. My next cycle started 12/13, allowing for time on/time off.

The time off period sucked, but not as bad as I was expecting. I lost 4-6 pounds, and there was also subtle but noticable reduction in muscle mass, but my strength somehow remained. Then after about 3 weeks, libido and mood came back into normal range.

It sounds like a more aggressive PCT (and Mr X's ideas for fighting depression/elevating mood) might help.

Everyone want to start right back up again - If feels good to be on for sure - but if you wait, continue to eat and train smart, then in the long run you will make better gains.


Good luck,


Bluesman

 

[swordfish151]

It sucks being "off". It's fucking depressing me that I cant train the way I used to. I just want to go in and lift hard and feel the adrenaline flow. Now it takes me so long to recover from the previous workout, that I can barely train 2-3times a week. How do you guys that come off deal with this? Or do you just wait to go back on cycle?

Might want to lower the volume big guy...i know how hard it is to do that when we are used to pushing some seriouse weight in the gym...but once your off, you have to be realistic...maybe your pusing to hard to maintain that your wearing yourself out...

 

[surferstar]

It sucks being "off". It's fucking depressing me that I cant train the way I used to. I just want to go in and lift hard and feel the adrenaline flow. Now it takes me so long to recover from the previous workout, that I can barely train 2-3times a week. How do you guys that come off deal with this? Or do you just wait to go back on cycle?

I don't think is so much what you take when "off" , I think it has a lot more to do with the pychological factors that you get drepressed out. On cycle your so fired up with every notion of eating those weights. But once that feeling starts to deplete and recoop time is extended its like back to square one to get your own ass motivated. Now that you don't have an extreme enhancer you really have to kick yourself in the ass everyday to eat right and go into the gym and can see it getting depressing not having the same gains or same results with the work you already put in. Its like doing a job at work and getting paid $25 an hour to do it during the winter but in the spring you only get $15 hours for the same work. SUX!! But do you not work the whole spring because you got paid less. Or do you keep busting your ass and still save up that money with whatever little gains you have? You keep busting your ass! cuz you know that 4 months X $15 hr will still yeild great results then when summer comes along you get bumped back up to $25 hr. Now your back on cycle and your the happiest person in the world, not just cuz you are making more money (gaining more muscle and enthusiasm) but also because you still busted your ass without it and now your even further ahead than you were before. Just thought of that analogy. Hope you "get" it LOL.

 

[markshark]

It sucks being "off". It's fucking depressing me that I cant train the way I used to. I just want to go in and lift hard and feel the adrenaline flow. Now it takes me so long to recover from the previous workout, that I can barely train 2-3times a week. How do you guys that come off deal with this? Or do you just wait to go back on cycle?

its weird im 8 weeks out of my cycle and have been depressed too and getting skinnier but strength hasnt tapered off too much. i just look at it as an opportunity to go in there, workout, burn fat and preserve until my next cycle, otherwise sitting around will just make me look shittier.

 

[fonixer]

Man just bite the bullet look in the mirror
dont start dbol bridges ect..
They not all what people tend to belive
Peace

 

[markshark]

Man just bite the bullet look in the mirror
dont start dbol bridges ect..
They not all what people tend to belive
Peace

yeah, now i think that doin that shit is truly psychological addiction right there, i dont care what anyone says.

 

[thebigmofo]

It sucks. Next cycle will be here before you know it. I am in my last week. I'll be with you in a few weeks. I will focus on getting as lean as possible b4 my cutting cycle. More cardio.

 

[Outtlaw]

Thanks for the ideas. I tried to hit all I could with K. I plan to stay off at least until mid Feb. I've tried St. John's wart before when I was trying different herbs to see what they could do for me. But I didnt notice any effect from it so I stopped taking it. I think I might try the glutamine peptides as people seem to say that works, especially for recovery. Other than that Im gonna start cutting more sets in the gym.

 

[Tweakle]

thats life bro, going off sucks ass esp if your test levels are still in the toilet. Feb isnt too far away so cut back on volume, dont try to lift too heavy and maintain what you can. mAybe change things up abit so the CNS adaption gives you the illusion you're progressing with new exercises?

 

[Arniceous]

i go natural 6 days a week for over 25 months now. 2.5 hrs per session. no need for drastic measures m8. granted there are periods for some enhancments natural or not but don't become dependant. USe this time to get them fibers used to what you got naturally for a while. Granted its not fun being a regular joe but over time you'll be better off. How strong is your grip mine is kinda lame im still a small boy but im growin natural every day a little at a time

 

[DreadNot]

It got better for me as I did more cycles. My thoughts were" oh no, now what, my gear is gone, sniff,sniff."
On top of that,my first 2 really sucked on the whole and did more than depress me. Didn't have internet forums to talk about it so I was pretty fawked. I stepped back for some time before I did another which after it, I ended up not only holding the gains but didn't go through the mental masturbation bit.
I just worked harder.Gained some bf when I went off so I worked on losing that. Kept my head in the game basically by working to maintain what I got.
Now, time off is a regular part of the cycle. I expect it.
Gets easier.

 

[zips92]

recovering ive learner has to do the most with these three things...


getting 8 hours of good sleep everyight


eating well


limiting sets from 4-5 to 3-4 for arms and lowering 5-6 to 4-5 for chest back and shoulders


l-glutamine supplementation is wayyyy cheaper then bsn and all that other shit and is alll u need to help with recovery

Am I reading this right.....are you suggesting doing a total of 4 sets for chest (as an example) during off cycle workout?

 

[BOWTECH]

Hang in there Bro we all go through it. It's a bitch when off and you feel all those nice aches and pains return. And recovery takes twice as long. Just makes you want to get to the next cycle asap

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Also i wouldd go farily high reps with low ammount of sets only 8 per big body part or so. 30-45 minute workout intensly and get out. Training heavy then is a sure way to loose mad muscle and get injured, and sore that you cant move. Trust me ive done both.

 

[Beachboy6294]

Thanks for the ideas. I tried to hit all I could with K. I plan to stay off at least until mid Feb. I've tried St. John's wart before when I was trying different herbs to see what they could do for me. But I didnt notice any effect from it so I stopped taking it. I think I might try the glutamine peptides as people seem to say that works, especially for recovery. Other than that Im gonna start cutting more sets in the gym.

Damn Outlaw sorry to hear about your problems off your last cycle bro! I'm suppose to get the ok to get back in the gym this friday so I know it's going to be depressing for me after having to quit my cycle and working out all at once due to my injury! I was going so heavy and looking swolle up and now I will be weaker from being off AAS and my injury. I have dropped about 15lbs and have been on everything from Xanax, St. Johns Wort, and Kava for my depression. My sex drive is completely gone right now also so it's been a tough time. I wish you the best Outlaw and wish I could help you out since you have given me so much advice and great info but I'm in the same boat right now.