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damn american cars

I'm staying with Japanese for the forseeable future...ideally Subaru but I'll buy anything that's a good deal.
 
Mandinka2 said:

The best V8 ever made was a Renault version running at close on 20000 revs. Toyota are nowhere compared to their German counterparts in Formula 1 , the premier motorsport. If Toyota , Honda and American companies ever wished to equal or eclipse European designs then they will have to ditch the V8 as their benchmark , while a beautifully symmetrical configuration offering oodles of power at low revolutions (read high reliability), it is simply inefficient.
well, you and i are comparing apples and oranges......i am talking about driving on american roads, with american driving conditions and american drivers, who are not known for their patience and high automotive maintenance. you seem to be talking about sterile, racing conditions, with highly trained drivers and a full pit crew for back up.

with the exception of authbahn driving, most european roads are, i am told, 2 lane roads, with speed below 50 mph? i am also told most european drives accumulate far fewer miles per year than american drivers. because of these differences, cars that are adequate in europe fall apart and fail miserably in america.

every renault car foisted off on the american buying public, since the 404 model of the 50's, up to the fuegos and alliances thatamerican motors tried to sell of the early 80's, have been fickle, trouble prone, delicate cars, totally unsuitable for american driving conditions and american drivers, who like to turn key and "git and go", who routinely rack up 15 to 20K miles a year.

formula 1 racing is interesting to read about in Road & Track magazine, fun to watch on ESPN, but has absolutely NOTHING to do with driving on american interstates and congested big city traffic driving.

as for your snide flag comment: america is a melting pot of all nationalities. the only flag i recognize has stars and bars on it!!!!!
 
Just like I dont ask about Deca and Fina on car boards, dont ask about cars on muscleboards :)

FWIW, Mercedes-Benz has been making cuts across thier lines since ~1996, materials, testing, components, and thier reliablity has been dropping.

BMW E46 M3s were mysteriously blowing motors left and right when they came about, thier stopgap measure was 60 weight motor oil. 750s and 850s were notorious for thier unreliability (the V12, not sure how the new one stacks up).

Porsche is not owned by the VW Group, it is still independantly owned. Although, there has always been a connection between the 2 companies, every single Porsche ever built has had some VW componentry or shared components (even if they're just eletrical relays).
 
The Shelby Cobra is the baddest car of all time. The only thing is you can't drive it if it rains. The second best is a toss up between a vette and a viper. If i got to pick one to drive, i would go with the vette.
 
Jimsbbc said:
The Shelby Cobra is the baddest car of all time. The only thing is you can't drive it if it rains. The second best is a toss up between a vette and a viper. If i got to pick one to drive, i would go with the vette.



Yup! My 2003 Z06 vette with the electronics/transaxel controlled rear end and engine modifications is one bad ass car /almost 420 hp,6 sp manual.....we took it to the mountains last week-what a ride 20 mph curves were taken at 60 with no problems.


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