Cycle advice

[Catman22]

Hi all,

I am looking to start a new cycle in the new year.
I am going to be training really hard (harder than ever before) as I have a new full time job in a gym so will be working out at least twice if not 3 times a day.
I want to get the most out of this training and want to get fitter, faster and stronger!
I will be doing one strength session and one conditioning session a day and potentially some crossfit style training too.

I want to limit the side effects as much as possible, and want to improve sporting performance.

I am looking for the following:
Increase my max lifts
Decrease body fat
Increase muscle mass
Increase speed and power
Increase aerobic endurance

I am thinking of running 8 weeks:
500g Test E (e/w)
100g var (e/d)
HCGenerate (e/d)
N2 Guard (e/d)
Tribulus and Bulbine (e/d)

PCT:
Unleashed
Post Cycle
Tribulus and Bulbine

Has anyone run similar cycles to this?
Can anyone offer any advice or would they change this cycle?

Thanks in advance

 

[EZ_E]

Hi all,

I am looking to start a new cycle in the new year.
I am going to be training really hard (harder than ever before) as I have a new full time job in a gym so will be working out at least twice if not 3 times a day.
I want to get the most out of this training and want to get fitter, faster and stronger!
I will be doing one strength session and one conditioning session a day and potentially some crossfit style training too.

I want to limit the side effects as much as possible, and want to improve sporting performance.

I am looking for the following:
Increase my max lifts
Decrease body fat
Increase muscle mass
Increase speed and power
Increase aerobic endurance

I am thinking of running 8 weeks:
500g Test E (e/w)
100g var (e/d)
HCGenerate (e/d)
N2 Guard (e/d)
Tribulus and Bulbine (e/d)

PCT:
Unleashed
Post Cycle
Tribulus and Bulbine

Has anyone run similar cycles to this?
Can anyone offer any advice or would they change this cycle?

Thanks in advance

If you're going to run Test E run it 10 weeks...

Start the HCGen around 5 weks and you can run into PCT

Add Forma Stanzol to PCT, start that after last pin, start the PC/UL 2 weeks later....

No need to train 3x a day

Nice set up tho, simple and effective

~EZ

 

[obsessedwliftin]

If you're going to run Test E run it 10 weeks...

Start the HCGen around 5 weks and you can run into PCT

Add Forma Stanzol to PCT, start that after last pin, start the PC/UL 2 weeks later....

No need to train 3x a day

Nice set up tho, simple and effective

~EZ

This is excellent advice right here.

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[Catman22]

If you're going to run Test E run it 10 weeks...

Start the HCGen around 5 weks and you can run into PCT

Add Forma Stanzol to PCT, start that after last pin, start the PC/UL 2 weeks later....

No need to train 3x a day

Nice set up tho, simple and effective

~EZ

Thanks very much EZ,

Is Forma Stanzol easy to get my hands on?

I have only ever run 2 8week cycles before, and towards the end of the cycle I found my gains dropping off, these cycles were with Test Prop however.

Will the gains taper off dramatically on a 10 week cycle?

Has anyone run this cycle before? What sort of gains did you achieve?

Cheers

 

[Judo Tom]

i hope you can eat like 7k cals and sleep 12hrs a day if you wanna train 3x per day...

you kinda listed every goal imagineable.. that will be hard to do

why dont you focus on one or two goals and really go after it.

like bulk/get stronger or lean up/ get in better shape..

trying to do everything at once will make it hard to do any of them really well

 

[EZ_E]

Forma Stanzol is @ mrsupps.com

~EZ

 

[Ranger11B]

No need to train 3 times a day bro do like an hour to two and some cardio somthing like 30 mins twice a week or so. Def run the hcgen through your pct and since your living in the gym you might also like to add bridge to the end of pct. your good to go

 

[Backtobasicks]

He just got a job in a gym, he said cardio (probably morning) and weights ( probably later)
So he is in the gym most of the day.. Probably able to eat well too because of the environment he's in. Training 2 x a day isn't that bad spread out is it? Bodypart split or 2 on 1 off 2 on?

 

[Ranger11B]

no its not but i want to be 100% or as close to when I hit a muscle group. I would much rather do my 2 hrs and cardio then rest up for the next one tomarrow.

 

[RADAR]

He just got a job in a gym, he said cardio (probably morning) and weights ( probably later)
So he is in the gym most of the day.. Probably able to eat well too because of the environment he's in. Training 2 x a day isn't that bad spread out is it? Bodypart split or 2 on 1 off 2 on?

I was just going to say 2 times a day is doable,even some pro's will do this right before a competition,
Cardio 3 times a week,every other day a split ,Chest,Shoulders,Arms, Split into later that evening Leg work,the next split Back,Bis Lats split later that day Abs,crunches,leg raises Still i caution you getting too eager will cause you to over train.


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[obsessedwliftin]

no its not but i want to be 100% or as close to when I hit a muscle group. I would much rather do my 2 hrs and cardio then rest up for the next one tomarrow.

This is 100% correct. As ranger and tom have stated all that training is a complete waste. You will simply over train and burn out. Your body can't handle all that at once even with aas. The routine I am on there is no way you could do more than one session if you are training with any kind of intensity. I do eat over 5000 cals a day and I do get proper sleep and im still worn out when it's over. I applaud your enthusiasm and I hope it carries with you. But at that rate you will probably just give up on training and quit your new job. Bbing and cross fit don't go together bro. You have to decide what method of training is best for your goals and do that.

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[Catman22]

I was just going to say 2 times a day is doable,even some pro's will do this right before a competition,
Cardio 3 times a week,every other day a split ,Chest,Shoulders,Arms, Split into later that evening Leg work,the next split Back,Bis Lats split later that day Abs,crunches,leg raises Still i caution you getting too eager will cause you to over train.


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The thing is guys I am not training to be a bodybuilder, I am training for sport. I am a semi professional rugby player and I want to improve all facets of my game by a notable amount, not blow one or two of them through the roof.

I currently train 10 times a week (if you include a game as training) as it is, and what I am suggesting is training 12-15.

My sessions would only be about an hour long and would look like this:

Morning: - Strength
2 compound focused lifts (deadlift,sumo deadlift, squat, front squat, over head squat, weighted pull ups, weighted dips, bench press, incline press, overhead press etc.) for a variation of 2-5 sets and a variation of 1-8 reps.
1 Max reps effort (pull ups, dips, handstand push ups, muscle ups, walking lunges, any of the above with a light weigh [~50%1RM]) for a variation of 1-3 sets of maximum reps

Afternoon: - Power (cardio blast)
This will mainly be a technique based session where I will work on an olympic power lift (clean, snatch, jerk and variations there of) I will complete numerous warm up and technique sets and then will do a few heavy sets on that lift.
I will then do a crossfit style bodyweight session that will include none of the lifts that I have done that day as well as some cv exercises (rowing, running, jumping rope etc.). This cardio will range any anywhere between 5 and 45mins depending on the session and how much I have in the tank.

Evening: - Extras and cardio
This will be exactly as it sounds, anything I think I need to work on, I will not be doing regulated weights and sets it will just be "I haven't done any front squats in a while..," So I will load up some front squats and do some work on them at any range I feel. I may not do any weights in this session at all, and may do some mobility, core or gymnastic work.
I will then complete either a heavily cardio based crossfit session (run, row, jump rope etc. heavy) or just do a blast of cardio (e.g. 6 x 300m row 1min recovery between rows)

So when I say I will be training 3 times a day, it will not be what bodybuilders call training, it will be much more sport specific and the sessions will be short and sharp.

The week will likely look like this:

Mon - 3 sessions
Tues - 2 sessions + rugby practice
Weds - 3 sessions
Thurs - 2 sessions + rugby practice
Fri - 1 session (mobility and core, if game) 2 sessions (if no game)
Sat - Rugby game (if no game 3 sessions)
Sun - 1 session (mobility and core based

So there will be around 13-16 sessions a week depending on rugby.
Considering I train a minimum of 8 times and sometime upto 11 times a week at the moment I do not think I will burn myself out too much?

 

[Judo Tom]

it is possible. ive done something similar for my training but i think you are overdoing it on the weights. id just do 1 strength session a day max.. then maybe one high intensity cardio session later in the pm

go for intensity over volume.

invest in a really good protein supplement and get lots of sleep. nutrtition and supplementation can make a HUGE difference in how you feel and the results you get if you are gonna put yourself through this.

id also advise you slowly up the training and take FULL days off from time to time.. a good 24-36hrs of almost nothing can really make a difference once you are training that much.

Good Luck

 

[Catman22]

it is possible. ive done something similar for my training but i think you are overdoing it on the weights. id just do 1 strength session a day max.. then maybe one high intensity cardio session later in the pm

go for intensity over volume.

invest in a really good protein supplement and get lots of sleep. nutrtition and supplementation can make a HUGE difference in how you feel and the results you get if you are gonna put yourself through this.

id also advise you slowly up the training and take FULL days off from time to time.. a good 24-36hrs of almost nothing can really make a difference once you are training that much.

Good Luck

Thanks a lot Tom.
I agree, if and when I am feeling run down I would have no problem taking a full day or even a weekend off training all together. For instance on the Sundays I will only be doing stretching and maybe some rehab work and core work anyway, nothing too taxing.

 

[Catman22]

If you're going to run Test E run it 10 weeks...

Start the HCGen around 5 weks and you can run into PCT

Add Forma Stanzol to PCT, start that after last pin, start the PC/UL 2 weeks later....

No need to train 3x a day

Nice set up tho, simple and effective

~EZ

When running the HCGen into PCT should I run it all the way through or for how long?

Also would there be any benefit in using different test (either prop or cyp) I have only ever used prop before, but just looking for what would give the best results.

Cheers

 

[EZ_E]

When running the HCGen into PCT should I run it all the way through or for how long?

Also would there be any benefit in using different test (either prop or cyp) I have only ever used prop before, but just looking for what would give the best results.

Cheers

You can run it right up until the end of PCT...

I like prop, test is more a ? of pinning frequency...

~EZ

 

[mlavin]

Welcome back man, I remember reading through your two logs quite some time ago.
Best of luck to you !

 

[Catman22]

Welcome back man, I remember reading through your two logs quite some time ago.
Best of luck to you !

Thanks a lot mate, will keep you posted.

 

[Catman22]

You can run it right up until the end of PCT...

I like prop, test is more a ? of pinning frequency...

~EZ

Thanks EZ,

So I would more likely run 100mg Test Prop E/D for 6-8 weeks.
Then keep the rest the same.

Cycle 8 Weeks
100mg Test Prop E/D
100mg Var E/D
Bulbine and Tribulus E/D
Creatine E/D
N2 Guard E/D
HCGen start week 5

PCT
Forma Stanzol
Unleashed
Post Cycle
HCGen
Clomid??? (should I run clomid with this PCT or will the above be enough?

Cheers

 

[EZ_E]

PCT is good without the cloimd

~EZ

 

[Catman22]

PCT is good without the cloimd

~EZ

Great,

Thanks a lot EZ

 

[Catman22]

Just got my Forma Stanzol in,
N2 Guard and HCGen is on it way.
Going to be staring the cycle from Jan the 1st... New year, new body!