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chris302001
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EnderJE said:
Hold on, I'll get the jergens..........
Okay Vel, story time.........
walliwalibus
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Context is controlled by the controller of any given situation, and we recieve signals when the context is slightly curved.
Great thread... Holy shit, I can't believe, the synchronicity of this all, i decided instead of posting yesterday, since I have the week off and am housesitting, I would go through my uncle's library and I find something I could dork out on, well, I found the Tipping point, this fascinating book was about how epidemics ranging from syphillis, to social epidemics, such as trends, or ideas that influence the way we think, emerge not from the likely sources, but from most unexpected sources... one of the ideas he discusses, that blew my mind, and had my head spazzing out all day, was that we tend to think of the persona as this fixed character, that's how we classify people, with this fixed personality association, he posits an evolutionary psychological cause, based on the fact that our brains were genetically programmed to simplify things... not sure I totally agree with his causality, but digressing aside one of the ideas that really blew me away was his discussion on context and perspective... when there was a crime epidemic in New York in the 80s theorists attributed it to the usual causes, moral breakdown, psychiatrists attributed it too stunted psychological growth in the criminals, and geneticists too faulty genetics, however, these reasons or perspectives, viewpoints, were not the sparks or tipping points that sparked the epidemic of crime.
This idea is so radically liberal... the criminal mind was shown to be more acutely sensitive to his/her environment and who is hyper alert to all kinds of environmental cues, and basically prompted to commit crimes based on his environment around him/her. There were violent crimes increasing on subways, and due to the increased graffiti, waves of people coming and going causing disorder on the turnstiles, and these environmental cues alters the perceptions on the criminals who are sensitive to these stimuli, and prompt them to act on their perception of identifying with the disorder and chaos and acting out violently... or embodying the environmental chaos through violent crime. The author Gladwell provides research in demonstrating the cleaner the area, the less crime appears to occur. This idea blew my mind, because, while liberals in the 60s promoted a similar theory, that it was due to economic inequality, unemployment, racism, social neglect... that have merit, it is really the little things... that can set of epidemics... in this case the power of context, just by cleaning up the streets, and eliminating graffiti, and minimizing urban disorder, we can lower crime, based on the profound knowledge that people's perception and thus realities are so much more dependent on the context of their situation.
We tend to think of character as this static thing... but its not... the environment shapes so much of how we process information... and actively shapes, through interpretation, the perception of reality, and by changing the perception of reality... since the how you see, shapes what you see, perceptions change the nature of reality itself. I dunno bout you guys, but this idea, I was familiar with this overall idea, but not to the extent that the Tipping Point supports... I recommend this book to all you guys... you will find your own rejected thoughts... in his creative explanations of how epidemics emerge from the most obfuscated, unlikely, and previously unknown sources. The ideas in this book are now used by marketers, and people want to effect social change. Great read.
This idea is so radically liberal... the criminal mind was shown to be more acutely sensitive to his/her environment and who is hyper alert to all kinds of environmental cues, and basically prompted to commit crimes based on his environment around him/her. There were violent crimes increasing on subways, and due to the increased graffiti, waves of people coming and going causing disorder on the turnstiles, and these environmental cues alters the perceptions on the criminals who are sensitive to these stimuli, and prompt them to act on their perception of identifying with the disorder and chaos and acting out violently... or embodying the environmental chaos through violent crime. The author Gladwell provides research in demonstrating the cleaner the area, the less crime appears to occur. This idea blew my mind, because, while liberals in the 60s promoted a similar theory, that it was due to economic inequality, unemployment, racism, social neglect... that have merit, it is really the little things... that can set of epidemics... in this case the power of context, just by cleaning up the streets, and eliminating graffiti, and minimizing urban disorder, we can lower crime, based on the profound knowledge that people's perception and thus realities are so much more dependent on the context of their situation.
We tend to think of character as this static thing... but its not... the environment shapes so much of how we process information... and actively shapes, through interpretation, the perception of reality, and by changing the perception of reality... since the how you see, shapes what you see, perceptions change the nature of reality itself. I dunno bout you guys, but this idea, I was familiar with this overall idea, but not to the extent that the Tipping Point supports... I recommend this book to all you guys... you will find your own rejected thoughts... in his creative explanations of how epidemics emerge from the most obfuscated, unlikely, and previously unknown sources. The ideas in this book are now used by marketers, and people want to effect social change. Great read.
walliwalibus
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Interesting. This is a good thread and shows because not many are touching it because its a hard subject to understand. Maybe I am wrong, but my perspective is that most in this actual part of this forum come to joke and basically make an ass out of themselves. Now, with that being said, to even touch on a subject that these people use as tactics is taboo. Therefore, they will avoid it at all cost. Me, I have on name here, and it's walliwalibus and no other. I say what I feel appropriete and leave it at that. How people take it oh well. But the context of what I am saying to me is right on, unless I am just passing some shit in a terrible thread. This place would save money on storage if the didn't have so many f'ed up threads. But I like them also.
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
I think there is a HUGE tendency to lazy thinking, or really, not thinking at all, it is mostly automatic.
Think about things like schema, we really are more like electrochemical wet computing machines, and that includes the emotional responses as well.
That is why context and perspective are so important, as things often go as we say they will go.
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heatherrae
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From my perspective snacky cakes are great and I wish that I had one right now.
Tatyana, while housesitting, and rummaging through my uncle's books, I found The New Earth by Eckhart Tolle, his books basically revolve around the field of psychology I study, I've never read any of his shit, cause it would be similar to you reading an intelligent design text, all you want to do is critique it and point out its wrong... in my case dude is right on the money, I just don't wanna read it out of being an arrogant douche, but I am reading it, and in the first chapter he points out the Descartes fallacy of I think therefore I am, stating that in reality this statement can be understood as saying, I digest, therefore I am, we digest and think automatically independent of conscious effort, the repetitive thoughts that go nowhere.... so yeah, repetitive thought is basically unavoidable... however, the problem emerges in that we expect new and want something new to happen in our lives and not the past, yet all we have in our domes are conditioned sensations, which develop habitual perceptions, which lead to repetitive thoughts... and all this does is create the same world that we find ourselves in, so in order to break through the conditioning that occurs through habitual patterns of unawareness, quieting the mind through activities like meditation generate a less mechanical existence.Tatyana said:
There is innate amounts of creativity, unique in its expression in each individual, however, one has to learn to shut down the mind or computer, through a self inquiry process in which one gets to observe the repetitive patterns of thought that go nowhere and establish nothing, after recognition of the problem, and a willingness to change, the active process of meditation, tai chi, even working out to a small extent, or martial arts, trains one partially develop a silent mind, this process is not easy, like it really takes about a year of meditation before one really sees strong benefits in their awareness of self and other, but their perceptions are refined and altered and not dictated by the accumulated past that has been galvanized into a solid barrier barring personal change through conditioning. Through the entire process, an awareness develops that gradually undoes the mechanistic, habitual sensations, perceptions, and thoughts that have developed through time. Otherwise, the 'machine' continues to run on old patterns, expecting the new and only getting the repeated past till the 'machine' shuts down permanently.
I recommend you read Ray Kurzweils book on the Singularity, which he discusses groundbreaking concepts like dna as outdated computer software, and the eventual paradigm shift due to our accelerating technological progress growing mega exponentially, claims that in 21st century alone, we will experience not 100 years, but more like 20,000 years of progress, Kurzweill is well known for all of his predictions in 1997 about the internet and its explosion, he is controversial, his book Transcending Biology, approaching the Singularity, I have not read, but it is one of the most talked about books at my university and in general concerning where our future may be headed. I think you would find this extremely interesting, as he covers nanotechnology and medicine. It seems that your take is right on the same page with his. I'm not in total accord with his predictions, however, his predictions are all based on charting past technological growth in all industries of life. Here is his bio...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil#Involvement_with_Futurism_and_Transhumanism
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heatherrae
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God, you are such a douchebag.walliwalibus said:
lol...J/K.
shogun7
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-Ariel- said:
Damn good post! We certainly create our own realities, and are to a point easily influenced by our surroundings and the people within it. How many people are actually in control of their emotions and choices on a daily basis? How much of peoples lives are being manipulated by the people around them?
A fascinating subject is mind control and just how deeply it's played into our lives and how subversive it's become.
