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str8flexed

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Greetings. This is one of the forums I had never posted on before, some may know me, some not. I'm a mod at bodybuilding.com, mindandmuscle.net, fortifiediron.net, and fitnessandphysique message boards. I'm a competitive natural bodybuilding seeking my pro card this year in the WNBF & IFPA. I am also persuing my PhD in nutritional science specializing in amino acid metabolism & exercise, I have my BS in biochemistry. I also write for natural bodybuilding and fitness magazine, fitness & physique magazine, fitnessRX for men, and Planet Muscle magazine (article currently in print). I have my own site that is up and running but still needs a lot of work. Anyways, here are some photos from my last round of shows in 2004 and also some photos from a DVD i was in called "Prime Cuts" from USA Muscle

-Layne
 
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Don't get me wrong bro but what do u mean by the term "natural"? U have a great body but I feel u have used some drugs which is not bad at all for me...
 
im impressed.... this guy and AAP have the best body on this board in my eyes hands down !!!

the natural comment I will ignore because everyone knows that physique is not natural.
 
judge_dread said:
Don't get me wrong bro but what do u mean by the term "natural"? U have a great body but I feel u have used some drugs which is not bad at all for me...
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I mean i've never used steroids, prohormones, growth hormone, illicit lipolytics, etc.

I will take it as a compliment that you feel I've used drugs... to be honest I'd be quite bummed if I took the sauce and this was all I got out of it. Steroids have never interested me. I've always gotten consistant results from hard training and diet.

Maverick, lol I'm sorry to burst your bubble but i'm still trying to get my natural pro card. There are many other natural bodybuilders out there with much better physiques than mine.

Whether someone uses steroids or not is their discretion, but they are not for me. I feel too often people use them as a crutch for poor training and diet rather than busting their ass. If any of you had known me from bodybuilding.com, you'd know i'm a huge advocate of natural bodybuilding... i'm not anti-steroid... i'm pro-natural. In fact much of my website is devoted to the promotion of natural bodybuilding. You can go on there and check out other natural competitors, many of whom have better physiques than I, but have never touched the sauce in their life.

Again thank you for your compliments, but it CAN be done without exogenous hormones.

-Layne
 
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why is this sounding more and more like an advertisment.......... I would love for you to take a blood test, cuz i know that your on something, the human body just does not look like that naturally
 
Don't worry guys, st8flexed is a cool guy. I know him from bodybuilding.com and he NEVER tries to plug himself or any product.

I also 100% believe he is natural. He preaches it WAY too much to not be :)
He also knows a shit load of info on training, diet and pre-contest. I hope he will share some of that info on the board.

Hey Layne, you should post some vids of you. I really liked the one where you front squat 335 for reps and SLDL 455 for reps.
 
Maverick said:
why is this sounding more and more like an advertisment.......... I would love for you to take a blood test, cuz i know that your on something, the human body just does not look like that naturally
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lol, not really sure what you are suggesting i'm trying to sell? I'm trying to promote drug-free bodybuilding, if that's what you mean by "advertisement." Most people only know about the NPC & untested bodybuilding, I'd like to educate people on tested bodybuilding and try to make it more popular. That's why I provided a link to my site.

As far as tests, i've done 6 tested shows, been polygraphed and urine tested at each show and have passed every time. I wish they did blood testing as it is much more sensitive, accurate, and it will catch people who use drugs with short half lives... unfortunately this all costs money and most promotors aren't willing to pay the extra cost. Perhaps one day when natural bodybuilding organizations get more/better sponsors.

beachbum1546, thanks for supporting me. Here are some videos you requested

here is a music video slideshow of my progression from 1997 to 2004: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q="Slideshow+of+Layne+Norton+from+1997-2004"+playable:true

140 lb dumbbell chest presses: http://video.google.com/videosearch...g+140+lb+dumbbells+music+video"+playable:true

150 lb dumbbell chest presses
http://video.google.com/videosearch...g+150+lb+dumbbells+music+video"+playable:true

skull crushers: http://video.google.com/videosearch...ng+skull+krushers+with+155+lbs"+playable:true

a video of one of my posing routines:
http://video.google.com/videosearch...+2005+Tampa+Bay+Classic+Finals"+playable:true

glut ham raise
http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/Str8Flexed/Glut_ham_raise.MOV

415 lb squats
http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/Str8Flexed/Layne_415lb_Squat.MOV

front squats with 325 lbs
http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/SkipsWorkouts/Layne-3-20-2004/layne-frontsquats-325lbs-music.wmv

stiff legged deadlifts with 455 lbs
http://www.skippypodar.net/Movies/SkipsWorkouts/Layne-3-20-2004/layne-deadlift1-455-music.wmv

-Layne
 
you do look natural in your beach pic but the others not so natural. if you have achieved that physique without AAS more power to you.

very impressive phsyique. natural or not, who the hell cares. we don't judge around here.
 
tiger88 said:
nice work bro!

i believe you are natty...he trains his ass off and some good genetics
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Funniest part is that I don't think Layne has good genetics. He worked really hard and more importantly he has a top notch diet.

If you look at his younger pictures you would never look at him and think that he was built. He looks more suited for cross country and water polo.
 
anybody at 14 who has a body like that has great genetics..... I am on the fence now, I don't know what to believe.

I still think you have used some substances, I just can not see how the human body can get that lean without help.

you look great though, so I guess that is what matters
 
Maverick said:
anybody at 14 who has a body like that has great genetics..... I am on the fence now, I don't know what to believe.

I still think you have used some substances, I just can not see how the human body can get that lean without help.

you look great though, so I guess that is what matters
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believe what you want to believe. Consider that I also help many natural organizations develop their banned substances list and have pushed several organizations to develop more strict banned substances list. My BS is in Biochem and i'm doing my PhD in nutritional science... not exactly as if i'm flying blind here :) Again, i've seen many natural guys much better than myself... hopefully as I progress I can change that and be one of the best natural bodybuilders out there, that's my goal at least. First thing is first... I want to get my natural pro card.

AS far as genetics go... depends on the bodypart. My legs were absolutely horrid as was my back; I looked like a ruler. At my first bodybuilding show my legs measured a whopping 21.5". I've managed to get them up to 27" last offseason, but they still need alot of work.

thanks for the comments!

-Layne
 
I can also vouch for Layne on other boards. Hes an awesome guy and is 100% natural. Give him a chance here guys, he is the most knowlegable guy I ever encountered in the bodybuilding industry. and at 23, hes just started!
 
give us natural lifters some training split/routine suggestions. should we follow the standard bb splits (is that what u do?) or do u do powerlifting style type stuff like madcows workouts
 
Thank you all for the comments. I don't think my genetics are outstanding, as I said I've never put on more than 20 lbs in a year and i started out with a lot of weakpoints. I had quite a few competitors tell me I had 'terrible' genetics when I first started competing. I don't know if they just didn't like me and were trying to hurt my feelings or what lol. In either case, i've had a lot to work on and I think my physique is finally getting to the point of nearly being balanced.

As far as my routine goes here are links to two of my training journals.

http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php?showtopic=6277&hl=

http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php?showtopic=11992&hl=


-Layne
 
you look great str8 but i suspect you like posting that you are natural so everyone will accuse you of NOT being natural. then you can let us all know steroids don't interest you. never say never. :o.
 
str8flexed said:
Greetings. This is one of the forums I had never posted on before, some may know me, some not. I'm a mod at bodybuilding.com, mindandmuscle.net, fortifiediron.net, and fitnessandphysique message boards. I'm a competitive natural bodybuilding seeking my pro card this year in the WNBF & IFPA. I am also persuing my PhD in nutritional science specializing in amino acid metabolism & exercise, I have my BS in biochemistry. I also write for natural bodybuilding and fitness magazine, fitness & physique magazine, fitnessRX for men, and Planet Muscle magazine (article currently in print). I have my own site that is up and running but still needs a lot of work. Anyways, here are some photos from my last round of shows in 2004 and also some photos from a DVD i was in called "Prime Cuts" from USA Muscle

-Layne
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Have you competed against John Hansen? :)

http://www.naturalolympia.com/

Looking back ... who were your bb role models?
 
glennds said:
you look great str8 but i suspect you like posting that you are natural so everyone will accuse you of NOT being natural. then you can let us all know steroids don't interest you. never say never. :o.
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lol lol post of 2005!
 
glennds said:
you look great str8 but i suspect you like posting that you are natural so everyone will accuse you of NOT being natural. then you can let us all know steroids don't interest you. never say never. :o.
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lol are you a psycologist? I don't know about you, but I don't think that far ahead when initiating a conversation. But yes I can honestly say steroids never interest me and never will. I'm not against those who use... that's their choice. My reasoning is I am competitive on a national level right now in natural organizations... if I wanted to be competitive on a national level in the NPC I'd have to most likely use a dangerous amount of exogenous hormones. It's not worth it to me, if it's worth it to someone else... so be it.

As it says on my site... i'm not anti-steroid, i'm pro-natural.
 
thelion2005 said:
Have you competed against John Hansen? :)

http://www.naturalolympia.com/

Looking back ... who were your bb role models?
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i've done some of the shows he's done but i've never competed against him the same year in those shows. Hopefully I'll get my pro card this summer and have a chance to compete against many of the great natural pros... that's the goal anyway.

-Layne
 
Hey bro, if you can get those kinds of results without gear, then stick around because I have a lot to learn from you. I've tinkered with a few mild cycles over the past year or two; but ultimately, I want to go natural. Right now I'm mostly just experimenting. Definitely stick around....props!
 
krishna said:
Hey bro, if you can get those kinds of results without gear, then stick around because I have a lot to learn from you. I've tinkered with a few mild cycles over the past year or two; but ultimately, I want to go natural. Right now I'm mostly just experimenting. Definitely stick around....props!
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thanks man, that is much appreciated. you can find more info on what i have to say here
http://www.physiquescience.com as well as
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne.htm

*mods if this is against policy (posting links) please let me know and i'll erase them asap~
-Layne
 
Hey Layne - congrats on your obvious hard work -- it really shows! I believe you are natty and it doens't take outstanding genetics to be an outstanding natural BB. It takes a lot of hard work and learning how to patiently train your body to respond in an optimized manner.

Congrats on your pursuit of this to the PhD level. I am in awe of people who pursue that because there is so much we have yet to learn about the amazing biochemical machine our bodies are. (LOL I pursued the physical sciences because I couldn't bring myself to dissect a cat in 11th grade... so I'm a software dork instead...)

Hope you hang around to help the EF'ers - even those who choose to cycle have to realize that AAS is only a SUPPLEMENT to an already optimized diet and training program.
 
str8flexed said:
Greetings. This is one of the forums I had never posted on before, some may know me, some not. I'm a mod at bodybuilding.com, mindandmuscle.net, fortifiediron.net, and fitnessandphysique message boards. I'm a competitive natural bodybuilding seeking my pro card this year in the WNBF & IFPA. I am also persuing my PhD in nutritional science specializing in amino acid metabolism & exercise, I have my BS in biochemistry. I also write for natural bodybuilding and fitness magazine, fitness & physique magazine, fitnessRX for men, and Planet Muscle magazine (article currently in print). I have my own site that is up and running but still needs a lot of work. Anyways, here are some photos from my last round of shows in 2004 and also some photos from a DVD i was in called "Prime Cuts" from USA Muscle

-Layne
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props to you, I just read your bodybuilding.com page........... lots of good stuff on there. karma to you
 
Sassy69 said:
Hey Layne - congrats on your obvious hard work -- it really shows! I believe you are natty and it doens't take outstanding genetics to be an outstanding natural BB. It takes a lot of hard work and learning how to patiently train your body to respond in an optimized manner.

Congrats on your pursuit of this to the PhD level. I am in awe of people who pursue that because there is so much we have yet to learn about the amazing biochemical machine our bodies are. (LOL I pursued the physical sciences because I couldn't bring myself to dissect a cat in 11th grade... so I'm a software dork instead...)

Hope you hang around to help the EF'ers - even those who choose to cycle have to realize that AAS is only a SUPPLEMENT to an already optimized diet and training program.
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very well said... and nothing wrong with physical sciences! I spend so much time on my damned computer... i wish i knew more about it ;)

I haven't got my PhD yet... but I hope within a few years my body of research will allow me to receive it.

-Layne
 
awesome man. just awesome. don't know why you're getting the 3rd degree from some people, sorry about that.
 
You look great man...natural or not, It doesn't care. You still can look way better using steroids. I've never seen your name before but if you are a mod at bodybuilding.com, with all the legal troubles in the last years feds are watching every single post. Being on a DVD and competing, I'd be promoting natural bodybuilding even in hell. So I belive what you say but since I dunno you I can't trust 100%. Stan McQuay is natty also...lol
Congrats for the body. lookin good.
 
not being plat anymore.. i see the thumb, looking ripped and huge. I know natural bber who has the biggest quads and calves i have seen. great job brother!
 
It makes me wonder what some of you guys look like or how you train to not believe he is natural. No offense Layne but you look very "natural". If you are on steroids and aerent as big as Layne then you dont know how to train or eat, or hacve the worst genetics ever. Layne could be a monster if he was on. With all the talk of steroids it is hard for the natural guy to get any credit for hard work. Great job and looking good.
 
cwpick said:
It makes me wonder what some of you guys look like or how you train to not believe he is natural. No offense Layne but you look very "natural". If you are on steroids and aerent as big as Layne then you dont know how to train or eat, or hacve the worst genetics ever. Layne could be a monster if he was on. With all the talk of steroids it is hard for the natural guy to get any credit for hard work. Great job and looking good.
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Ya this guy looks very natural !!! STFU please........ 95% or maybe more of my entire gym and every gym that I have went too does not have one guy that looks like this.

this guys has excellent genetics and obviously trains like an animal, anyone that lean would be questioned for anabolic use. I look good and I train 4 times a week with weights, and do cardio up the ass and I do not look even close to this guy. I am like 170 with maybe 9% BF. that is why I questioned him.

but it is possible to have this build without using ? yes it is.... with a combo of great genes and hard work and killer diet. (not too mention the non-anabolic stuff he is using)
 
Maybe there's a possibility of looking like that naturally only and only if you focus your whole life to eat, train and rest like a robot. Now what would be the point in doing that if you're not gonna make more money than a juiced bodybuilder? not even as a model since models juice and look awesome of course thanks to these different sauces.
 
Maverick said:
Ya this guy looks very natural !!! STFU please........ 95% or maybe more of my entire gym and every gym that I have went too does not have one guy that looks like this.

this guys has excellent genetics and obviously trains like an animal, anyone that lean would be questioned for anabolic use. I look good and I train 4 times a week with weights, and do cardio up the ass and I do not look even close to this guy. I am like 170 with maybe 9% BF. that is why I questioned him.

but it is possible to have this build without using ? yes it is.... with a combo of great genes and hard work and killer diet. (not too mention the non-anabolic stuff he is using)
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Like I said you must not know how to train. Lay off the cardio and try bulking a little. Never said he just walked off the street and looks like he never lifted. But he does not look like an oversizes juice head that you make him out to be. He is very lean but with a shirt on looks like a lot of people in my gym. His diet and training are superb that is why he looks like he does. So find another gym if they all look like you because your gym aint working.
 
you look awesome. i believe you could be natural, you are in perfect proportion, nothing looks out of place. great work. do you give out diet info/tricks. i diet year round and would be interested in seeing your regiment.
 
you look better then most steroid users. so either way you win. hahaha. Kudos to you no matter what the case is. :)
 
DJ_UFO said:
You look great man...natural or not, It doesn't care. You still can look way better using steroids. I've never seen your name before but if you are a mod at bodybuilding.com, with all the legal troubles in the last years feds are watching every single post. Being on a DVD and competing, I'd be promoting natural bodybuilding even in hell. So I belive what you say but since I dunno you I can't trust 100%. Stan McQuay is natty also...lol
Congrats for the body. lookin good.
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well i've been promoting natural bodybuilding for years, Stan hasn't competed in a tested show in some time from what I understand.
 
DJ_UFO said:
Maybe there's a possibility of looking like that naturally only and only if you focus your whole life to eat, train and rest like a robot. Now what would be the point in doing that if you're not gonna make more money than a juiced bodybuilder? not even as a model since models juice and look awesome of course thanks to these different sauces.
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LOL, the point is I love bodybuilding and I have no interest in using anabolics, just as on the other side of the coin some have no interest in staying anabolic-free. Bodybuilding is a big part of my life, but I dont' need to worry about making a lot of money from it, i'm working on my PhD. I love bodybuilding, but I want to leave a bigger mark on the world than just bodybuilding. :)

-Layne
 
view said:
you look better then most steroid users. so either way you win. hahaha. Kudos to you no matter what the case is. :)
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thank you view and timtim!

during my last bulking cycle i was eating approximately the following ratios

275g protein, 575g carbohydrates, 85g fat per day; 10g of fat was from omega 3's.

-Layne
 
would you consider yourself a hard gainer who can eat whatever and gain no fat or do you easily gain fat and muscle? i'm of the latter and have to be meticulous about my calories.

another question, i see your looking at a phd in nutrition. when would you consume amino acids? i will only be using them on training days. i did some research and was preparing to take 20 tablets of amino fuel 2000 by twin lab 20 minutes before my post-post workout meal (which is always 14 egg whites, 1 1/2 cup oats, and 3 servings of string beans). would the aminos be placed better pre workout, with the post workout shake, or where i plan on placing them? i have no intention of using them daily.

thanks.
 
timtim, if you are eating enough protein you don't really need supplemental amino acids, the only amino acids worth supplementing with would be the BCAAs, specifically leucine as leucine is responsible for the control of protein synthesis in skeletal muscle tissue.

As far as my bodytype... i'm in between, i gain fat if i eat too much, but i stay relatively lean if i monitor myself. I'm pretty much a mesomorph.

-Layne
 
Great job on the physique.

Now i dont know where you compete at...but most "natural" competitions, guys are juiced up in the off season...and the term "natural" reffers to them not being detected up to the contest. Ussualy those guys use a bunch of orals, slin, gh, all that natural type of stuff. This is just what ive seen first hand at natural shows...guys shooting GH, and telling me how many days out they stopped dbol, winny etc..so it would be natural.

Not saying your lying it just must be an uphill battle for you with most of the other guys dippin in the sauce.
 
i remember you from bodybuilding.com as well... that was back when I read the teen section and you got so fed up with those morons that you stopped posting there lol.

anyways man, you've come a long way from the last time i saw your pics, and now you've pretty much put 99% of EF to shame haha. Congrats on the contest success, you should stick around cause this board could really use a good pro-natural influence
 
BTW...i was laughing at the MTV show bro. You should of been on the IM on steroids show....and told them all..."look at me you fucking idiots....im not on steroids and i look better than all of you put together". Moronic people in the world these days.
Congrats on your accomplishments!
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Great job on the physique.

Now i dont know where you compete at...but most "natural" competitions, guys are juiced up in the off season...and the term "natural" reffers to them not being detected up to the contest. Ussualy those guys use a bunch of orals, slin, gh, all that natural type of stuff. This is just what ive seen first hand at natural shows...guys shooting GH, and telling me how many days out they stopped dbol, winny etc..so it would be natural.

Not saying your lying it just must be an uphill battle for you with most of the other guys dippin in the sauce.
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LOL, i've never seen this and I know plenty of guys who I compete with who I know are natural. Some organizations like the NPC "natural" shows and musclemania are more lax, but organizations like the INBF & OCB are very very strict. Are their cheaters... i'm sure there are but I can't be concerned with them. Obviously they are very weak minded if they feel they need to cheat like that; the same reason they are weak-minded is the same reason their success will be short lived.

-Layne
 
PolfaJelfa said:
BTW...i was laughing at the MTV show bro. You should of been on the IM on steroids show....and told them all..."look at me you fucking idiots....im not on steroids and i look better than all of you put together". Moronic people in the world these days.
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haha, thanks man. I didn't watch the show but I heard those guys were jackasses lol

sigweed, thanks for the props bro, nice to see someone who remembers me from way back in the teen section of bbing.com lol
 
i don't see how people can question his "naturalness"... he's running a low amount of BF, and showing some great definition, but he is far from being a mass monster...

some fucking haters in the house, is all i see...

looking jacked man, keep up the good work...
 
diesel gli said:
i don't see how people can question his "naturalness"... he's running a low amount of BF, and showing some great definition, but he is far from being a mass monster...

some fucking haters in the house, is all i see...

looking jacked man, keep up the good work...
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thank you sir
 
i can't see how u guys can think this guy is on gear. if you look at his pics on bodybuilding .com u can see there is no way he juices (too small). no hate here b/c u look awesome bro keep it up and good luck getting your pro card, keep it up
 
My favorite comment about str8 so far is :

Ya this guy looks very natural !!! STFU please........ 95% or maybe more of my entire gym and every gym that I have went too does not have one guy that looks like this.
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PRobably because most people don't dedicate themselves like layne. I've known layne since middle school and he was nothing big. He ran cross country for goodness sakes. He was little to be nice. He has trained consistently for years. That includes watching his diet and learning as much as he could to get bigger.
this guys has excellent genetics and obviously trains like an animal, anyone that lean would be questioned for anabolic use. I look good and I train 4 times a week with weights, and do cardio up the ass and I do not look even close to this guy. I am like 170 with maybe 9% BF. that is why I questioned him.
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Once again, layne's genetics are not amazing, I'm tempted to say that he has perhaps mediocre or just above mediocre genetics. His legs are the most stubborn things in the world. Seriously, the guy staight up trains his balls off for years on end just to get where his legs are now. They aren't gigantic, but they are something to be proud of. I wish mine were there! I'll admit, his upper body is a better responder than his lower, but once again, he worked for all of it. Few naturals train as heavy and as hard as him.

but it is possible to have this build without using ? yes it is.... with a combo of great genes and hard work and killer diet. (not too mention the non-anabolic stuff he is using)
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With a combo of hard work and no compromise, yes it is possible. Few people dedicate themselves the way layne has. Actually, I'm pretty sure we are all after an anabolic environment. Eggs are pretty anabolic. Ok, done being a smart ass. Work hard, stay strict and be consistent and see the rewards come.
 
cheeseball said:
My favorite comment about str8 so far is :



PRobably because most people don't dedicate themselves like layne. I've known layne since middle school and he was nothing big. He ran cross country for goodness sakes. He was little to be nice. He has trained consistently for years. That includes watching his diet and learning as much as he could to get bigger.


Once again, layne's genetics are not amazing, I'm tempted to say that he has perhaps mediocre or just above mediocre genetics. His legs are the most stubborn things in the world. Seriously, the guy staight up trains his balls off for years on end just to get where his legs are now. They aren't gigantic, but they are something to be proud of. I wish mine were there! I'll admit, his upper body is a better responder than his lower, but once again, he worked for all of it. Few naturals train as heavy and as hard as him.



With a combo of hard work and no compromise, yes it is possible. Few people dedicate themselves the way layne has. Actually, I'm pretty sure we are all after an anabolic environment. Eggs are pretty anabolic. Ok, done being a smart ass. Work hard, stay strict and be consistent and see the rewards come.
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wow thanks for all the compliments bro. Who is this btw, I'm assuming I know you from school or the Y back in evansville?

-Layne
 
I actually used your chest (no barbell's) strictly Db's and I notice a good difference. my shoulder pain is much better and my chest is getting a great pump !!!

I do incline and decline DB presses.

Karma to you :)
 
This is your mongolian bar-b-q friend, C. Pyle. I'm not just kissing your ass though! I've just seen the work you've put in. Everybody wants to write off hard work and put it in a category like steroids, because they don't feel like they, themselves can put forth such an effort. THat or they just haven't seen someone personally with the intensity you have in the gym, and the strictness outside of it. Keep it up, I wanna see that natty pro card!

Ps- I also want some charlie's soon, call when you get in.

To everyone else, listen to what this guy has to say and apply it. Layne knows alot, so consider him a bonafied, qualified advice giver.
 
Maverick said:
I actually used your chest (no barbell's) strictly Db's and I notice a good difference. my shoulder pain is much better and my chest is getting a great pump !!!

I do incline and decline DB presses.

Karma to you :)
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Thanks maverick. I really like dumbbells, you get a better stretch and peak contraction and since it allows you to move your hands laterally, unlike barbell, it is much easier on your shoulders.

-Layne
 
str8flexed said:
haha, no shit... I had no idea buddy. Let's do charlie's tommorow night, say 6:30-7?
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It's a done deal. I'll be there! Make sure and call me when you are on your way, so I know I should be on mine.
 
there's also people going around claimning to be natural because they have not used in 12 months.. I don't care if you used 6 years ago, you can not claim to be natural.. as for you umm i'd say negatory on 100% all natural. I'd kind of like clinton saying he never had sexual relations.. alot of guys find ways around natural and juice with words.. I am willing to bet you you have taken something orally or inectable that not everyone would agree would classify you as natural...
 
I am willing to bet you you have taken something orally or inectable that not everyone would agree would classify you as natural...
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I'mwilling to bet you are a 100% MORON. What do you not understand? We are not talking shades of grey here. THere are plenty of people who have chimed in on this thread and backed up his statements. I guarantee, you put up the money for the bloodwork and whatever else, (polygraph) he will come away clean every time. He competes in orgs that have a 7 year clean minimum! Or just wait a few more months, he will be competing in some all natural competitions. Wait till he comes back with his placings. He has no shame in doing natural shows, because he is natural!

He is a bonified natural. Not even prohormones. Of course I'm sure he is happy because it is a big compliment to be accused of roids and not have used. Seriously, it becomes irritating when people who haven't been strict and haven't had discipline for years on end come in and accuse! WTF do you want him to say? He uses protein shakes and creatine. He will kick your ass in the gym with his intensity. I have watched him workout for a long time. He sticks to a diet like it's his religion.

He has average genetics. Yet, he is a competitive bodybuilder who deserves everything he gets because he has worked for them. Go to his sites and read what he has accomplished and what he has written. He knows his crap. Trust me, if you or almost anyone else would follow everything he says for a few years, you would see great results. Or just follow the guidelines from anyone who has been in the game and looks good. Of course, I listen to layne because 1. I have known him for a long time, and 2. he doesn't pick up his stuff from magazine articles. He is a phd candidate in nutritional biochemistry and already published one peer review journal!

But hey, if you are so insecure with your progress and it makes you feel better, believe what you want! Just know, this guy don't play, he works! I am one of the people that has been less than consistent. But I use layne as motivation. If he can do it, trust me, you can and so can others. Just follow the rules of eating clean and lifting hard. Don't get smashed every weekend, as that is suicide for your muscles. get adequate rest. Bump up calories if you hit a sticking point. change workout every 4-8 weeks.

Keep yourself motivated and accomplish what others have accomplished before you and what others are doing now! I'm trying to light a fire here. If you haven't been consistent, start now! Start doing all the things you know to do and reap the benefits. end of story.
 
You g-bombed me??!!?? Why is that? because I told the truth?

I said nothing wrong until now. You can come in and accuse, but I can't stick up for a guy that I know is completely 100% legit. Good luck man, I guess truth falls on deaf ears.
 
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Unless you are that person you are unable to know 100% that makes you the moron stating something as 100% factual when you CAN NOT know
 
keep making excuses for yourself. What more do you want than all of the evidence he has presented? Not too mention all of the people who have validated his claim. You are just stuck in your own world, you special platinum member.

I know beyond a doubt that layne has neve done any juice. look at his progression. THere is never a time that stands out and makes you say, "whoa, he must've been doing something."

Anyway, I think I am done with this argument. This thread is for layne.
 
floridalife said:
there's also people going around claimning to be natural because they have not used in 12 months.. I don't care if you used 6 years ago, you can not claim to be natural.. as for you umm i'd say negatory on 100% all natural. I'd kind of like clinton saying he never had sexual relations.. alot of guys find ways around natural and juice with words.. I am willing to bet you you have taken something orally or inectable that not everyone would agree would classify you as natural...
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sorry bro, I never have taken anything. Worse thing I took was ephedra when i was 16. Never taken prohormones, steroids & the like. If you don't believe me... well thanks for the compliment but there are a bunch of guys out there that are natural who still have better physiques than me lol
 
cheeseball said:
I'mwilling to bet you are a 100% MORON. What do you not understand? We are not talking shades of grey here. THere are plenty of people who have chimed in on this thread and backed up his statements. I guarantee, you put up the money for the bloodwork and whatever else, (polygraph) he will come away clean every time. He competes in orgs that have a 7 year clean minimum! Or just wait a few more months, he will be competing in some all natural competitions. Wait till he comes back with his placings. He has no shame in doing natural shows, because he is natural!

He is a bonified natural. Not even prohormones. Of course I'm sure he is happy because it is a big compliment to be accused of roids and not have used. Seriously, it becomes irritating when people who haven't been strict and haven't had discipline for years on end come in and accuse! WTF do you want him to say? He uses protein shakes and creatine. He will kick your ass in the gym with his intensity. I have watched him workout for a long time. He sticks to a diet like it's his religion.

He has average genetics. Yet, he is a competitive bodybuilder who deserves everything he gets because he has worked for them. Go to his sites and read what he has accomplished and what he has written. He knows his crap. Trust me, if you or almost anyone else would follow everything he says for a few years, you would see great results. Or just follow the guidelines from anyone who has been in the game and looks good. Of course, I listen to layne because 1. I have known him for a long time, and 2. he doesn't pick up his stuff from magazine articles. He is a phd candidate in nutritional biochemistry and already published one peer review journal!

But hey, if you are so insecure with your progress and it makes you feel better, believe what you want! Just know, this guy don't play, he works! I am one of the people that has been less than consistent. But I use layne as motivation. If he can do it, trust me, you can and so can others. Just follow the rules of eating clean and lifting hard. Don't get smashed every weekend, as that is suicide for your muscles. get adequate rest. Bump up calories if you hit a sticking point. change workout every 4-8 weeks.

Keep yourself motivated and accomplish what others have accomplished before you and what others are doing now! I'm trying to light a fire here. If you haven't been consistent, start now! Start doing all the things you know to do and reap the benefits. end of story.
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Chris,\
don't bother with it. People who are weakminded tend to stay that way. If you don't believe you can acheive something... then you won't. 3 years ago i would've argued this guy til i was blue in the face, but now I accept it for what it is and move on. I know i'm clean, my family knows, my good friends know... I don't honestly care what this guy thinks of me, but I do appreciate you being a good friend and backing me up so voraciously.
-Layne
 
str8flexed said:
Chris,\
don't bother with it. People who are weakminded tend to stay that way. If you don't believe you can acheive something... then you won't. 3 years ago i would've argued this guy til i was blue in the face, but now I accept it for what it is and move on. I know i'm clean, my family knows, my good friends know... I don't honestly care what this guy thinks of me, but I do appreciate you being a good friend and backing me up so voraciously.
-Layne
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Yeah, I'm done with the arguing. Internet bickering becomes exhausting :) I'll see you at charlie's
 
in the end, you said it...the bickering is exhausting (and pointless)

Guy1 : "You use steroids"
Guy2 : "No I don't"
Guy1 : "Yes you do"
Guy2 : "No I don't"
Guy1 : "Yes you do"
Guy2 : "Nuh-uh!"
Guy1 : "Yuh-huh!"

etc.

you'll get nowhere fast. Some people really hate to see a natural show them up. I have had that happen tons of times, guys on juice forced to stare their own training inadequacies in the face buy a guy who is clean and is grossly outlifting them. It probably hurts.

By the same token, there have been so many reports of guys who have competed in natural shows and obviously were *not* natural, hence the skepticism. I mean, think about it str8. If I'm a competitor in a natural BB show, do you think I'm going to tell one of my opponents that I'm juicing? HELL NO. If I'm a cheater, then I'm not going to admit to it, ESPECIALLY not to my opponents. Chances are good you've smoked guys you thought were "natural".
Just roll with it, keep training hard and heavy. Props to you and your hard work.
 
kethnaab said:
in the end, you said it...the bickering is exhausting (and pointless)

Guy1 : "You use steroids"
Guy2 : "No I don't"
Guy1 : "Yes you do"
Guy2 : "No I don't"
Guy1 : "Yes you do"
Guy2 : "Nuh-uh!"
Guy1 : "Yuh-huh!"

etc.

you'll get nowhere fast. Some people really hate to see a natural show them up. I have had that happen tons of times, guys on juice forced to stare their own training inadequacies in the face buy a guy who is clean and is grossly outlifting them. It probably hurts.

By the same token, there have been so many reports of guys who have competed in natural shows and obviously were *not* natural, hence the skepticism. I mean, think about it str8. If I'm a competitor in a natural BB show, do you think I'm going to tell one of my opponents that I'm juicing? HELL NO. If I'm a cheater, then I'm not going to admit to it, ESPECIALLY not to my opponents. Chances are good you've smoked guys you thought were "natural".
Just roll with it, keep training hard and heavy. Props to you and your hard work.
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all points well taken. I appreciate the compliments.

-Layne
 
I'm not layne, and he'll answer this better, but no he doesn't use flat barbell bench. He loves his dumbbells. That's the quick answer.
 
eat big said:
Hey Layne,

I'm only 19, thus I am natural. I have started to think that Flat Bench isn't worth the time. Your post in the link below indicates you don't do flat bench. Is that true, if so, I may try it because I've felt Inc. and Dec. work best for me.

http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php?showtopic=11992&view=findpost&p=172880
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when i switched to an all dumbbell routine i got more growth in 12 weeks than I had in the previous 3 years using barbells. I am a big fan of dumbbells
 
and, speaking as one with a shoulder reconstruction surgery behind me, going heavy with the bells is ALOT easier on the shoulder joints than going heavy with the bar.
 
Maverick said:
Ya this guy looks very natural !!! STFU please........ 95% or maybe more of my entire gym and every gym that I have went too does not have one guy that looks like this.

this guys has excellent genetics and obviously trains like an animal, anyone that lean would be questioned for anabolic use. I look good and I train 4 times a week with weights, and do cardio up the ass and I do not look even close to this guy. I am like 170 with maybe 9% BF. that is why I questioned him.

but it is possible to have this build without using ? yes it is.... with a combo of great genes and hard work and killer diet. (not too mention the non-anabolic stuff he is using)
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getting as lean as him isn't out of the question without anabolics..... but anyone to train hard enough to be int hat kind of shape... would be much larger with anabolics.. jsut my .02 cents
 
Boardin087 said:
getting as lean as him isn't out of the question without anabolics..... but anyone to train hard enough to be int hat kind of shape... would be much larger with anabolics.. jsut my .02 cents
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I know, i mentioned that in my post.

this guy knows his shit and his Dumbell suggestion made my chest and shoulders happy.

I like layne
 
Yea Layne is legit. He looks terrible though I don't know why you're all accusing him of being on steroids :)

One of these days i'm going to make it to the Olympia/Arnold and introduce myself.
 
Layne, buddy, what's up?!? Glad to see you around here. As usual, looking solid.

I hope Illy isn't treating you too bad ;)
 
str8flexed said:
Greetings. This is one of the forums I had never posted on before, some may know me, some not. I'm a mod at bodybuilding.com, mindandmuscle.net, fortifiediron.net, and fitnessandphysique message boards. I'm a competitive natural bodybuilding seeking my pro card this year in the WNBF & IFPA. I am also persuing my PhD in nutritional science specializing in amino acid metabolism & exercise, I have my BS in biochemistry. I also write for natural bodybuilding and fitness magazine, fitness & physique magazine, fitnessRX for men, and Planet Muscle magazine (article currently in print). I have my own site that is up and running but still needs a lot of work. Anyways, here are some photos from my last round of shows in 2004 and also some photos from a DVD i was in called "Prime Cuts" from USA Muscle

-Layne
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Very impressive
 
Beachbum1546 said:
Don't worry guys, st8flexed is a cool guy. I know him from bodybuilding.com and he NEVER tries to plug himself or any product.

I also 100% believe he is natural. He preaches it WAY too much to not be :)
He also knows a shit load of info on training, diet and pre-contest. I hope he will share some of that info on the board.

Hey Layne, you should post some vids of you. I really liked the one where you front squat 335 for reps and SLDL 455 for reps.
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So do all other "natural" bodybuilders.
 
mighty_mouse said:
So do all other "natural" bodybuilders.
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lol, man these are great compliments. I can't believe people actually think i'm on steroids. C'mon now, i'm not even one of the best natural bodybuilders out there.

talk about weakminded
 
str8flexed said:
lol, man these are great compliments. I can't believe people actually think i'm on steroids. C'mon now, i'm not even one of the best natural bodybuilders out there.

talk about weakminded
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Yes, love those compliments ...

Just seeing this now ... I think you look great. :) Nice work.
 
i think this guy looks great! and i belive he could be all natural.and no disrespect by this next few comments. but he does lack mass and thickness.i mean hes shredded but his arms look small 16s?and his legs? tiny. if he stood next to a roided out bodybuilder his height and weight you would see the major difference.i belive the guy!
 
booby said:
i think this guy looks great! and i belive he could be all natural.and no disrespect by this next few comments. but he does lack mass and thickness.i mean hes shredded but his arms look small 16s?and his legs? tiny. if he stood next to a roided out bodybuilder his height and weight you would see the major difference.i belive the guy!
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16? damn kind of harsh

so on one hand, i'm on steroids, and then according to this guy... I suck LOL
 
i wasnt saying you suck bro! not at all! you are shredded! and have a great build! i just think your not massive and thick like alot of heavyweights.i belive you are natural.i was 275lbs and had 20in arms,and a 52in chest before i ever started a cycle.i got acused of being on roids all the time.so i belive you. what are your measurements? chest? arms? thighs? calves? maybe your bigger then you look in the pics? i dont know? great web site by the way!
 
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