Chucks vs Wrestling shoes

[delldell2]

Whats the difference in the "two squat styles"? The only difference I know of is that powerlifters dont go all the way down, so its really a half squat. What are the other significant differences? Furthermore, the reason the shins stay perpendicular in powerlifting is exactly because they dont go all the way down, and the knee and ankle joints dont flex as far! Talk about a circular argument. The "two squats" are not only comparable, they are exactly the same, the only difference being that the powerlifting squat only goes through 50-60% of the range of motion.

There's a difference. Powerlifters usually break at the hips when descending. Oly lifters break at the knees and sit down in between their legs instead of sitting back. That along makes a huge difference in muscles recruited and prime movers.

Powerlifters have a wide stance to shorten the distance descended and use the stronger hips and hamstrings more. It's all about leverage.

If you don't know the difference between powerlifting and olympic style squats then your probably shouldn't talk so authoritatively.

 

[anabolicmd]

There's a difference. Powerlifters usually break at the hips when descending. Oly lifters break at the knees and sit down in between their legs instead of sitting back. That along makes a huge difference in muscles recruited and prime movers.

Powerlifters have a wide stance to shorten the distance descended and use the stronger hips and hamstrings more. It's all about leverage.

If you don't know the difference between powerlifting and olympic style squats then your probably shouldn't talk so authoritatively.

Ok, your opinion is duly noted. I have to disagree because I dont think it makes much sense. Where does it say that olys break at the knees and pl-ers break at the hips? Oly lifters sit back on their heels, they only go between the legs if their legs are thin enough, it has nothing to do with technique but with the range of motion. Again, in both styles one can widen the stance. Width of stance is not strictly "style" specific. And lastly, powerlifters use their hips and hamstrings more? Again, tthis is another function of the depth of the squat, not a result of it being a "different kind" of squat. And by the way, the hips and the hamstrings are not the stronger muscles, the back and quads are. Its not that I dont know the difference, its that there really isnt any insofar as the advantages of chucks over proper weightlifting shoes ae concerned.

 

[Cuthbert]

it has nothing to do with technique but with the range of motion.

wrong.

Again, tthis is another function of the depth of the squat, not a result of it being a "different kind" of squat. And by the way, the hips and the hamstrings are not the stronger muscles, the back and quads are.

wrong.

Do us all a favor and learn about the wide stance PL squat before telling everyone they are wrong.

Unless Clint is right and you are a troll...

 

[anabolicmd]

wrong.



wrong.

Do us all a favor and learn about the wide stance PL squat before telling everyone they are wrong.

Unless Clint is right and you are a troll...

If you just wanted to tell me how wrong I am, you could have pm'd me. If you are going to post it to the board, how about making a positive, thought out contribution to the thread? Because just disagreeing without any facts or arguments and being rude is actually what trolls do. Now how about you tell us how the differences in the two squatting styles make a 50 year old basketball shoe better for lifting weights than a proper, purpose designed and tested weightlifting shoe? Lets assume that there are two squats, one for powerlifters and one for oly lifters. How are chucks better for either one, and why? What makes the weightlifting shoes inferior?

 

[Cuthbert]

If you just wanted to tell me how wrong I am, you could have pm'd me. If you are going to post it to the board, how about making a positive, thought out contribution to the thread? Because just disagreeing without any facts or arguments and being rude is actually what trolls do. Now how about you tell us how the differences in the two squatting styles make a 50 year old basketball shoe better for lifting weights than a proper, purpose designed and tested weightlifting shoe? Lets assume that there are two squats, one for powerlifters and one for oly lifters. How are chucks better for either one, and why? What makes the weightlifting shoes inferior?

I didn't bother explaining because IT HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED. You just didn't listen.

 

[anabolicmd]

I didn't bother explaining because IT HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPLAINED. You just didn't listen.

On this thread? Can you tell me the post number? Because I didnt "hear" it. It was said that they have flat soles, you can push out in them, but the soles of weightlifting shoes are flatter, and the are made out of very thin crepe rubber which is far more stable than the squishy fat ruber sole on the chucks. And as far as standing wide and pushing out, lifting shoes beat the chucks hands down. Chucks are nothing more than canvas on rubber, whereas lifting shoes are solid as a rock. There is no comparison as to which is better to lift in. Soggy squishy shoes are not good for lifting weights, period.

 

[OfWolfandMan]

Does anyone have a picture of someone high bar squatting a huge weight with olympic lifting shoes on?Correct me if Im wrong,but arent "weightlifting shoes"with raised heels made for olympic lifting(aside from rdc's shoes that were mentioned)?Chucks may have been a basketball shoe,but since I havent seen a ton of basketball players wearing them anymore,you cant really tag them as a basketball shoe.I would wear roller skates if they helped me to squat better...thats why I wear my chucks when I squat and not my olympic lifting shoes.If I could squat more in my oly shoes you can bet that I would wear them.

 

[coolcolj]

here

Arranda

Charkarov

Pisarenko

Well most of the powerlifting squat shoes have a raised heel. The only one I can think of that doesn't is the Inzer one.

And not forgetting that clip I posted of that huge 290kg, 638lb almost triple bodyweight olysquat

 

[anabolicmd]

CoolColJ, those pics are awesome, I have been looking for that exact pic of Pisarenko in the bottom squat position since I first saw it years ago. What the chucks guys are saying that for PL style squats, which are wider and not as deep, the chucks are better. I cant see how, being that they are soft, offer minimal support and ofdfer no specific advantage over proper lifting shoes.

 

[b fold the truth]

I hope that people never believe that I am saying that the ONLY shoes people should squat in are Chucks... I'm NOT saying that. I AM saying that I believe that they are better for those who squat with a wide stance.

CCJ: Note that in all of those pics of people using the OL Shoes...they are not using a wide stance.

Anabolicmd: You still have NOT answered my questions above...

On a side note...one can not 'spread the floor' in a pair of OL shoes which you need to be able to do in the wide stanced squat. The Chucks allow you to spread the floor without the shoe 'rolling' on you. The OL shoes do not allow this.

B True