Chucks vs Wrestling shoes

[coolcolj]

One thing I hate about chucks is that I wish the tongue had a little hoop to put the laces through it to keep the tongue in place like most BBall shoes. The tongue keeps sliding to the side!

Don't get me wrong I like chucks for general working out, like bench, rows etc, but for some exercises when suing near max weights and above I don't think they are suitable IMO.

Well I find the high cuts a bit uncomfortable, but the low cuts are not bad. Are there medium cuts?

 

[B0ARDIN087]

anabolic this is like the third thread(in a row) in which i read and see u making an ass out of yourself...... you probably should stop

 

[b fold the truth]

One thing I hate about chucks is that I wish the tongue had a little hoop to put the laces through it to keep the tongue in place like most BBall shoes. The tongue keeps sliding to the side!

Don't get me wrong I like chucks for general working out, like bench, rows etc, but for some exercises when suing near max weights and above I don't think they are suitable IMO.

Well I find the high cuts a bit uncomfortable, but the low cuts are not bad. Are there medium cuts?

Do you like them for deadlifting?

The tongue doesn't move on mine but I lace them all the way up. The high cut is pretty important to the wide squat. They do give some ankle support and keep the shoe from rolling. See, when you squat you sould try to make the shoes roll over to the sides and you push down and try to rip the carpet apart and spread the floor. The chucks provide a side-wall that give you stability. The low cuts probably do not provide this.

I'm still curious why the Chucks are not suitable for near max weights and above...yet people find them good enough to squat 1,000 pounds plus in them. I've done 800 in mine...and plan to do more in them this year. I've had the saime pair for 2 years now as well.

B True

 

[coolcolj]

well I don't deadlift at least not powerlifter style very often
But the next time I do, they will work well for that.
Certainly beats my old sponegy BBall shoes I have used for past max attempts
Good for sumo I think.
Deadlifting in olyshoes is not bad either apart from the poorer leverage due to the greater height, but no problems with stability

Other people do squat fine in them, I'm not disputing that, but for me they do not offer the confidence and stability I need for squatting heavy for me. I do squat in them with lighter weights for stimulus variety though, and that makes the differences plain to me.

Basicly 2 issues - sponegyness and lack of arch support. Just does not feel like a strong shoe. And I can't get the power down fully due to the give in the shoe - I slam down real hard in my squats
My toes end up in the air because the back has sunk down a bit.

 

[rbrown]

Basicly 2 issues - sponegyness and lack of arch support. Just does not feel like a strong shoe. And I can't get the power down fully due to the give in the shoe - I slam down real hard in my squats
My toes end up in the air because the back has sunk down a bit.

That's why I actually prefer the wrestling shoes. They essentially have no sole--just a thin piece of rubber between your foot and the ground. With my arch support inserted, they have the best of both worlds in my opinion.

 

[coolcolj]

sounds good, I will have to try wrestling shoes one day

LOL this thread has come full circle

 

[anabolicmd]

"What function do Chucks perform better than proper weightlifting shoes? What exactly is it about the wide squat that makes chucks more suitable for it? And by the way, nowhere does it say that the PL squat has to be done with a wide stance at all." - Anabolicmd

The chucks are better than "proper" weightlifting shoes because:
1) It's powerlifting, not weightlifting.
2) The Chuck's, "a fifty year old shoe" weren't designed specifically for powerlifting, it just happens that they perform better than most other shoes out there.
3) Because of the flat shoe, and canvas top they allow the pushing to the outside of the foot. If you try this in a weightlifting shoe your foot will go over the side of the sole, and you'll end up hurting your ankle. I can push as hard as I can out to the sides and my foot will not roll over the side.

Points 1 and 2 are duly noted as your opinion. Point 3 is duly noted as well, but you havent answered the key question: Do chucks do all this better then lifting shoes, and can you explain why and how?

 

[b fold the truth]

I've squatted in both OL shoes AND Chucks...and the OL shoes ROLL when trying to spread the floor.

The tongue doesn't move on mine but I lace them all the way up. The high cut is pretty important to the wide squat. They do give some ankle support and keep the shoe from rolling. See, when you squat you sould try to make the shoes roll over to the sides and you push down and try to rip the carpet apart and spread the floor. The chucks provide a side-wall that give you stability. The low cuts probably do not provide this.

Had you taken the time to read my posts AND the points that I have made...you would find the answers to your questions.

Just for your pleasure...I'll take a video of me wide squatting in BOTH just so that you can see the difference and how there are things that one can do in Chucks that can NOT be done in OL Shoes.

B True

 

[StrongChE]

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AnabolicMD:

Honestly I have never tried a top of the line weightlifting shoe, as you probably have not tried a Chuck Taylor to perform a wide stance powerlifting squat.

There are powerlifters that have, (B Fold, WBC) and experience has shown that the chuck does not roll over its side.

Powerlifting is not olympic lifting. The end result is different. Powerlifters just want to stand up with the weight. It is not our intention to move the barbell to the shoulders. We can afford to have a different setup and emphasize different muscle groups. You would not setup with your feet as wide as ours to begin a clean. It makes no sense for you to perform a squat as wide as ours in training either.

The olympic lifter keeps the weight on their heels, but do you also "spread the floor" by pushing out to the sides with your feet? Based on your olympic training, you probably do not understand our technique.

 

[Nonerz]

anabolicmd...your posts are exhausting! I'm definitely seeing a trend where you challenge other people's posts and constantly go back and edit your posts.

And I thought I was a perfectionist...baby you take the cake!

Anyhow, my contribution will be a picture of my Chucks!

They are the All Black version! I love them...especially for DL & squats.

I bought Nate a pair of these last year for Christmas: