Chucks vs Wrestling shoes

[b fold the truth]

Whats the difference in the "two squat styles"? The only difference I know of is that powerlifters dont go all the way down, so its really a half squat. What are the other significant differences? Furthermore, the reason the shins stay perpendicular in powerlifting is exactly because they dont go all the way down, and the knee and ankle joints dont flex as far! Talk about a circular argument. The "two squats" are not only comparable, they are exactly the same, the only difference being that the powerlifting squat only goes through 50-60% of the range of motion.

I'm noticing something here...

1) You may very well be a Troll

2) You like arguing with peole who have accomplished something

3) You are arguing with a Pro Strongman with an 800+ squat AND a top level Amateur who will probably squat near 900 drug-free at a body weight of 250 (rbrown).

If you are NOT a powerlifter and/or do not squat powerlifter style...STOP arguing about it. I have OL shoes...and the competition squat (no matter how deep) is not as good with OL shoes compared to Chucks (because of the forementioned reasons by rbrown).

When I do my overheads and olympic lifts...I wear my OL shoes. When I wide stanced squat...I wear my Chucks.

I'm thinking that you pretty much are a Troll...

B True

 

[anabolicmd]

I'm noticing something here...

1) You may very well be a Troll

2) You like arguing with peole who have accomplished something

3) You are arguing with a Pro Strongman with an 800+ squat AND a top level Amateur who will probably squat near 900 drug-free at a body weight of 250 (rbrown).

If you are NOT a powerlifter and/or do not squat powerlifter style...STOP arguing about it. I have OL shoes...and the competition squat (no matter how deep) is not as good with OL shoes compared to Chucks (because of the forementioned reasons by rbrown).

When I do my overheads and olympic lifts...I wear my OL shoes. When I wide stanced squat...I wear my Chucks.

I'm thinking that you pretty much are a Troll...

B True

And I think this is the second time you have used insults and putdowns when I try to do my best to fully explain my position, and I think its sad that you of all people are acting like this.

 

[b fold the truth]

And I think this is the second time you have used insults and putdowns when I try to do my best to fully explain my position, and I think its sad that you of all people are acting like this.

You explain 'your position' by insulting others. You still do not address any of the points that I make...you simply avoid them.

You reply back to rbrown's post and comment ONLY on the part where he discusses the powerlifter squat... YOU COMPLETELY SKIP THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH WHERE HE EXPLAINS IT!!!!

Again...

Have you EVER done a wide stanced powerlifting squat with Chucks AND OL shoes on???

Seriously...have you? This is VERY important and I hope that you answer this question.

B True

 

[OfWolfandMan]

I was going to reply to the original topic,but just read your pulling techniqu thread.I think I will just agree with what b fold said.You remind me of alot of personal trainers Ive talked to,or the typical know it all at the gym,that feels that the things that are well known to be the wrong way of doing things,are the right ways...basically disagreeing with most of the worlds top lifters

 

[anabolicmd]

I was going to reply to the original topic,but just read your pulling techniqu thread.I think I will just agree with what b fold said.You remind me of alot of personal trainers Ive talked to,or the typical know it all at the gym,that feels that the things that are well known to be the wrong way of doing things,are the right ways...basically disagreeing with most of the worlds top lifters

Well, I'm presenting my points and ideas the best I can, its up to you to form your own opinion. Thats what it is all about.

 

[coolcolj]

Anabolicmd:

I can tell from your posts that you do not know how to do a powerlifting style squat and that you have not tried it. It is not comparable to an OL squat. When done properly, the shins remain completely vertical in the PL squat--something that would be essentially impossible with OL shoes.

You are using different muscles and very different leverages. I do not know of one single powerlifter who can squat big who uses OL weightlifting shoes for a PL squat. They throw the weight on to your quads more--the quads are simply not capable of handling the kind of weight that your posterior chain and hips can handle. I like my wrestling shoes, but I put a rather expensive hard plastic orthotic inside them for arch support. I have also tried chucks and find them very comparable with the use of the orthotic.

I also do OL lifts, front squats and OHP. When I do these I use OL shoes with a heel because they are better for that purpose.

well as a counter arguement
Dr Squat squatted over 1000lbs, and he uses heel lifts, 2 of them in fact according to him. His own words, he says it gives him more leverage and reduces the sticking point. Seeing the clip of his squat record that would seem to be the case - boom straight up!

Rikey Dale Crains's squat shoe has a raised heel, and I believe he used his own shoe for his lifting. Says it gives more leverage.
And I've seen quite a few photos of powerlifters using heeled raise squat shoes for squating.

I guess this goes to show that there are no absolutes - knees forward power squat from Tim Taylor on his 11th national win

I see heel

Those Blue Canadian Oly shoes

Same Olys shoes I have!!!!

looks like oly shoes

and off course chucks

 

[StrongChE]

The style of powerlifting squat we do is with a wider stance because of the leverages. When properly trained I haven't seen a person not excel with it.

Reference Chuck Vogelpohl 1000+ squat at 220lb.

AnabolicMD: you haven't explained one thing.

You are very ignorant (I'm not bashing you it's the truth).

 

[coolcolj]

Well those guys are from the USAPL, and the latter ones from the IPF which have different regs as far as form goes.

 

[anabolicmd]

The style of powerlifting squat we do is with a wider stance because of the leverages. When properly trained I haven't seen a person not excel with it.

What function do Chucks perform better than proper weightlifting shoes? What exactly is it about the wide squat that makes chucks more suitable for it? And by the way, nowhere does it say that the PL squat has to be done with a wide stance at all.

 

[StrongChE]

"What function do Chucks perform better than proper weightlifting shoes? What exactly is it about the wide squat that makes chucks more suitable for it? And by the way, nowhere does it say that the PL squat has to be done with a wide stance at all." - Anabolicmd

You just keep proving that you know nothing about powerlifting.
Go do some research and learn at least a little before posting.

The wide stance is employed because of a stronger recruitment of the hips and posterior chain.

The chucks are better than "proper" weightlifting shoes because:
1) It's powerlifting, not weightlifting.
2) The Chuck's, "a fifty year old shoe" weren't designed specifically for powerlifting, it just happens that they perform better than most other shoes out there.
3) Because of the flat shoe, and canvas top they allow the pushing to the outside of the foot. If you try this in a weightlifting shoe your foot will go over the side of the sole, and you'll end up hurting your ankle. I can push as hard as I can out to the sides and my foot will not roll over the side.