Chicks On IGF-1 Lefty, Mak, Wayne

[Indy]

Y'all heard of the effects and dosages of IGF-1 on women ?? I like the leaning effect from GH and have been down that road of experiace, however have no information or experiance on dosages and sides of women on IGF-1. Was going to hit up a couple more Jino kits for my wife, but if the same is possible on the eacher IGF-1 which is what HGH is the precursor to.....You know what I mean, should I or shouldn't I shoot her ass up with IGF to lean out, or stick with HGH ???

K to all that help me out as usuall

 

[bluehen]

Not being an expert but from what I've read HGH has more fat burning properties than IGF. Besides the other anti-aging properties os HGH I would stick with that.

 

[Indy]

Not being an expert but from what I've read HGH has more fat burning properties than IGF. Besides the other anti-aging properties os HGH I would stick with that.

Yea as a long time follower of HGH I feel the same way. However with IGF being new on the market curious to see what some female users have to say about their results, and how they compared to gh ..

 

[bluehen]

Yea as a long time follower of HGH I feel the same way. However with IGF being new on the market curious to see what some female users have to say about their results, and how they compared to gh ..

Well we ask everyone else, what are you wifes goals?

 

[Indy]

Well we ask everyone else, what are you wifes goals?

Mine just wants help cleaning up those stubborn areas where estrogen congigates

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Why not just try Yohimburn ES first?

 

[wayneboard1]

Why not just try Yohimburn ES first?

This is a good start. My wife won't touch any AS, but she looks hot as hades anyways! Indy has she tried TES or ECA

 

[Indy]

This is a good start. My wife won't touch any AS, but she looks hot as hades anyways! Indy has she tried TES or ECA

She's tried YES, no ECA but did Ephedra back before it was evil, she actually did pretty good on it, maybe I'll try her on an ECA stack with her YES

 

[*MissFit*]

I would try other methods first

 

[Indy]

I would try other methods first

Think I can convince her that adding a little more daily sex into the routine would burn more calories ??

Thanks I appreciate all input and I would like to see her do it natural too, but she works hard at it and has struggled alot since having our children.

 

[marshallmadman]

How about a little Nolvadex here and there?

 

[wayneboard1]

She's tried YES, no ECA but did Ephedra back before it was evil, she actually did pretty good on it, maybe I'll try her on an ECA stack with her YES

I bet those 2 with some cardio mixed in will show some great results man, keep us posted!

 

[Makavelli]

I've had some of my figure athletes use IGF-1 with great results. They lost fat and had no sides, just like the male athletes. I'd recommend you give it a try. The shot it sub Q in their hard to lose areas.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Hmm...off the top of my head i dont know the effects of igf on women. But i will research it though.

Im going to say that a low dose of HGH might be more effective then IGF. The fact of the matter is now matter how you cut it. IGF is going to be a better drug to use when bulking then cutting. It has an effect of keeping you leaner when bulking because of the "protective layer" it puts on your cells. Not allowing the cells to obsorb water and forces them to burn off them selves for energy.

I never heard of anyone cutting with IGF for a show but you can run GH alot longer in to your dieting.

So go dig in your pockets and buy the wife her own kit!!

I will do some research

 

[Makavelli]

Hmm...off the top of my head i dont know the effects of igf on women. But i will research it though.

Im going to say that a low dose of HGH might be more effective then IGF. The fact of the matter is now matter how you cut it. IGF is going to be a better drug to use when bulking then cutting. It has an effect of keeping you leaner when bulking because of the "protective layer" it puts on your cells. Not allowing the cells to obsorb water and forces them to burn off them selves for energy.

I never heard of anyone cutting with IGF for a show but you can run GH alot longer in to your dieting.

So go dig in your pockets and buy the wife her own kit!!

I will do some research

I always have people use IGF for cutting. It's great for fat loss.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

its tricky...you can bloat easly.

 

[Makavelli]

its tricky...you can bloat easly.

Some people get bloat, but when you lose the water you'll notice that you're much leaner. It's just like using test or GH for cutting. After the water is gone you see how lean you are.

 

[Sassy69]

How about a little Nolvadex here and there?

My opinion on use of Nolva -- generally seems to only provide good results if you are already low bodyfat, i.e. during competition prep. Also don't run it for absolute max more than 2 months. But my end opinion is that trying to manipulate your hormones is not the best approach. Women have estrogen for a reason. If you can only run nolva for a limited period of time, then you have to expect that your body's natural estrogen production is going to return to its already established tendency to deposit bodyfat where it tends to on your particular body.

The better for women in trying to deal w/ estrogenic bodyfat deposit is the long-term continued optimizing of the diet and training. And honestly, just as dieting for competition and then coming off for "off seaon", I would expect that you should allow your body to "rebound", i.e. allow cycling of low bodyfat and higher bodyfat (not huge high, just not continued extremely low).

IGF-1 -- I've heard mixed reviews of this stuff and generally that GH is better.

 

[Sassy69]

You might also see what something like Cardio Breeze does. Nice wake-up like ECA, but not the body buzz. Personally I love the stuff.

 

[Indy]

My opinion on use of Nolva -- generally seems to only provide good results if you are already low bodyfat, i.e. during competition prep. Also don't run it for absolute max more than 2 months. But my end opinion is that trying to manipulate your hormones is not the best approach. Women have estrogen for a reason. If you can only run nolva for a limited period of time, then you have to expect that your body's natural estrogen production is going to return to its already established tendency to deposit bodyfat where it tends to on your particular body.

The better for women in trying to deal w/ estrogenic bodyfat deposit is the long-term continued optimizing of the diet and training. And honestly, just as dieting for competition and then coming off for "off seaon", I would expect that you should allow your body to "rebound", i.e. allow cycling of low bodyfat and higher bodyfat (not huge high, just not continued extremely low).

IGF-1 -- I've heard mixed reviews of this stuff and generally that GH is better.

Great, thanks for the input, you and I discussed the Novla awhile back and I tend to agree since it is my wife, dont want to mess that stuff up Appreciate the IGF review as well, where can I get cardio breeze, is that an AF product ??

 

[Makavelli]

Nolva will work despite high bodyfat. It's just more apparent when it's already low.

 

[Indy]

Nolva will work despite high bodyfat. It's just more apparent when it's already low.

I surely dont doubt that it will work, I'm just not sure I want my wife going that hardcore

 

[wayneboard1]

Great, thanks for the input, you and I discussed the Novla awhile back and I tend to agree since it is my wife, dont want to mess that stuff up Appreciate the IGF review as well, where can I get cardio breeze, is that an AF product ??

Yes u can get it thru the AF store. Here is the link to their fat burning products.

https://www.anafit.com/shop/sub_cat...73a03e0de842d131444&name=Fat+Burning+Products

FYI, I have used the levorex and was not that happy with it, but that mjay of just been me. I was expecting mroe of an ECA effect and after reading up on it more, I may of overestimated. I hear thermorexin is awesome and I will be trying that next when I cut. I have heard good things about cardiobreeze as well.

I love ECA though and I used to take it with a quad shot espresso.......HELLO!!!!!

 

[Sassy69]

Nolva will work despite high bodyfat. It's just more apparent when it's already low.

If this is true wouldnt' you expect to see lots of nice lean post-menopausal breast cancer patients as well??

From some of the discussion I've seen I think that nolva really doesn't work so great at higher bodyfat levels. Note I'm not a doc, but we have to keep in mind that nolva & guys isn't the same as nolva & girls.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385496&highlight=nolva

The bottom line is that there is still a lot of research around understanding hormones in the female body. Most of the research around estrogen manipulation is related to post-menopausal women, not young, healthy female athletes. Unless you are in a competition situation both from an experience stance and also from the point that you only expect to look a certain way at a certain time of day on your competition day and not as a generally maintainable level of leanness, should you even bother getting involved w/ hormone manipulation. Your choice -- for everything discussed on boards like these, especially for women - you are your very own personal petrie dish. Knowledge is power and the final decision, results and sides lie w/ you.

 

[Makavelli]

If this is true wouldnt' you expect to see lots of nice lean post-menopausal breast cancer patients as well??

From some of the discussion I've seen I think that nolva really doesn't work so great at higher bodyfat levels. Note I'm not a doc, but we have to keep in mind that nolva & guys isn't the same as nolva & girls.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385496&highlight=nolva

The bottom line is that there is still a lot of research around understanding hormones in the female body. Most of the research around estrogen manipulation is related to post-menopausal women, not young, healthy female athletes. Unless you are in a competition situation both from an experience stance and also from the point that you only expect to look a certain way at a certain time of day on your competition day and not as a generally maintainable level of leanness, should you even bother getting involved w/ hormone manipulation. Your choice -- for everything discussed on boards like these, especially for women - you are your very own personal petrie dish. Knowledge is power and the final decision, results and sides lie w/ you.

No. The majority of post menopausal women aren't competitive physique athletes. I see what you are trying to say, but it's not applicable in this case. I'm not saying that you'll get really lean from suppressing estrogen alone. It's common sense you must diet and train correctly. That's akin to saying that AAS alone will get you "ripped". We all know that's false.

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Some people get bloat, but when you lose the water you'll notice that you're much leaner. It's just like using test or GH for cutting. After the water is gone you see how lean you are.

But wouldnt that get complicated on a woman being women hold double the water that men do?

 

[Makavelli]

But wouldnt that get complicated on a woman being women hold double the water that men do?

Not at all. It's the same with men holding water prior to a show. They'll drop it before getting on stage.